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the_jerk
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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: Violet]
#18210479 - 05/03/13 08:51 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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No offense taken. You were a lot nicer about it than I would have been if someone kept beating a dead horse.
I clearly hadn't read this entire thread. I followed your original thread about "RGS" and didnt recall it being in there but I should have gone back and re-checked before asking.
I'm glaad basically any grass seed would work. Ryegrass seed is way more expensive than some other more "common" seed I can find.
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Violet said: No offense, but please read the thread… most questions are answered in the OPs or subsequent posts
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Violet said: With this approach to cultivating, all you need are a pressure cooker, sterilizable containers, grass seed (any small-medium grain will do), water, an inoculation workspace (still-air box/glovebox/sterile laminar airflow cabinet), and any fruiting chamber. Plant food is optional based on your choice to experiment.
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MaJiK_420 said: Does it have to be RYE Grass seed? Is lawn grass or any other grass suitable, or does Rye Grass Seed have any notable advantages to your knowledge?
Nope! That's why I just say "grass seed". As said earlier in the thread, maybe only God knows why they call it "rye" grass, I sure don't and any similar/identical grass seed works fine. That lawn seed will be mostly rye grass, with the other ones being identical as seed anyway.
As said earlier as well, any medium/small grain will work for this tek. Rye, wbs, wheat, maybe even oats and more if done right.
'Rye' grass wouldn't have any advantage over its cousin grasses. However it has real advantages over other grains as master inoculant, and I feel it does as straight-sub too.
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Zarotti said: grass seed is so expenisve in my country Its like 4 times the price of rye and oats
Whew! At that kind of expense I wouldn't be getting grass seed, definitely rye or oats as you said.
Peeps, most of the advantages of this technique still apply as well or almost as well with any other grain, the smaller the better. The tek definitely works with rye; I've done it on many occasions, all my first ones were. Even birdseed would do great.
This method is a most-effective use of any grain. The same amount of any grain will produce more with this approach, without any additional "bulk" substrate. I simply love this grow tech in combination with the advantages of grass seed as well, and even feel that grass seed is the ideal mushroom substrate for reasons mentioned in the post.
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BloodKil said: What kind of prices are you paying for ryegrass seed?
Around here I get it ~65c/lb, or $34 for 50lb, from feed stores. That's the cheapest I've found it here, most other places like corporate hardware/garden stores are a bit more but offer decent prices. I do not know any specifics about any company's product or whether they're safe for this or not. Read labels, everyone
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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: Violet]
#18211806 - 05/04/13 03:25 AM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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My test of rye grass seed soak water agar with plant food:
Original: 2 days post transfer, 4/27:

Update: 9 day post transfer, 5/3 --I'm sold!
And two more to show other progress--feeling real good about these methods, Violet!

Edited by TFpek (05/04/13 12:35 PM)
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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: TFpek]
#18213570 - 05/04/13 02:26 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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I froze my grass runoff water to use it later....providing the freeze doesn't screw anything up.
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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: Vire]
#18213861 - 05/04/13 03:34 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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marked for later
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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: TFpek]
#18214381 - 05/04/13 05:30 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Some nice sectors there! 
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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: PrimalSoup]
#18214745 - 05/04/13 06:59 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Man the best write up i ever read on the forums so far! Violet you rock! Respect for your hard work and research! Gotta see what grass seed i can find in the country though...
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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: ammoniac]
#18215599 - 05/04/13 10:09 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Very nice sectors.. Sold. Now does anybody know where I can find the screw top pp5...JK
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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: cubenpete]
#18215827 - 05/04/13 10:59 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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At Target, any reject shop, Kmart, Wallmart... any supermarket (etc) will have pp5 containers. They're pretty much all made of pp5 and they should all sell circular containers with screw top lids
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the_jerk
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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: TFpek]
#18216746 - 05/05/13 07:01 AM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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TFpek said: My test of rye grass seed soak water agar with plant food:
Original: 2 days post transfer, 4/27:

Update: 9 day post transfer, 5/3 --I'm sold!
And two more to show other progress--feeling real good about these methods, Violet!

How much of the grass juice did you use in your agar recipe?
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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: the_jerk]
#18218230 - 05/05/13 02:50 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Looks like he used the 'juice' as-is, it's usually that dark off the prep. Even if diluted a bit for culturing it still looks about that dark, but, The idea is that you simply add the right amount of agar to the right amount of fert grainwater.
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I see people say strait peat, 'seed starter' or fine potting soils are not good casing layers on their own, that they need vermiculite, gypsum, or lime powder.
I've used all of those things in casing layers, both with other prep methods and this one… Some lime powder in strait-peat or 'seed starter' materials are helpful but it works fine without, the evidence is here. Fine potting soil seems to be great as it is.
Peat/soil may not be impressive when done in other methods. Verm is used to keep materials like those from a problematic trait with those preps that happens to be fantastic with this prep which is designed to use that hydration problem as the basis for its excellence likewise to my grain prep. When starting from mud, and hydration reduced as part of the easy treatment, they have both the perfect fineness and aeration.
I love it. Casing is cheap&easy this way, and a huge benefit to fruiting these cakes, especially for the first flushes.
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Edited by Violet (05/05/13 02:56 PM)
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TFpek
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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: the_jerk]
#18218674 - 05/05/13 04:42 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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the_jerk said: How much of the grass juice did you use in your agar recipe?
I used all the leftover soak water I had (about 500ml) and added water to bring it up to a full liter, with 20g agar.
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MastaBlastar
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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: TFpek]
#18219178 - 05/05/13 06:48 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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As far as using silicone to affix anything to anything you should really not use just cheap old plain silicon. It will continuously degass and become brittle and fall off which is very much accelerated by PCing. You should only use RTV or any silcone GLUE that is rated for high temps. I use GE's silcone glue which is rated to the same temp as RTV. And that's WORKING TEMP. The working temp means the glue will not change properties at that temperature. Silicone starts to break down at 150f.
Also, on plastics especially it is a very good idea to sand the spots you are going to be gluing the SFD/easy felt to, just enough to rough the surface. If you really want it to stay put 2-3 tiny (less than 1/16 if you have a bit that small) holes around the ge hole for the glue to go thru. As far as cracking the lids, there are a couple ways around this other than wasting glue and adding in a pretty long step to possibly hundreds of lids. Either a, barely press down on the drill, I mean no pressure other than the weight of the drill, and even that may be too much. B you could use a dremel on a slow speed with a cone grinder or something like that, again using VERY little pressure. Or, C, use a torch to burn a hole (safest as far as cracking lids), I used to work in a machine shop making missile parts so I know a fair amount about working with various materials. Its all about less pressure, not more, and slower speeds, not higher.
Another easy way to drill plastics is to us a hole boring bit, the tip is shapes kinda like a w with a longer point in the middle, these are what I use for drilling plastics, but it is a little more difficult to control, is slightly dangerous, and is more difficult to get clean holes but its the fastest with the most lids per min.
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Edited by MastaBlastar (05/05/13 07:19 PM)
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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: MastaBlastar]
#18219255 - 05/05/13 07:08 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Use the enter key bro.
Think paragraphs, not wall of text.
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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: PussyFart]
#18219275 - 05/05/13 07:13 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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I agree. However, no need altogether… Hopefully anyone who is interested in using silicones or modifying their lids already knows such things.
The main point is, it's totally unnecessary for this tek and thread, and in fact I totally recommend against such modifications. Keep containers as-are: Learn some basic lab work clean tek, use a still-air-box/glovebox/sterile laminar airflow cabinet. It's a door to really enjoy mycology with so much more depth, and getting more serious about ability. Anyone unwilling to do clean work won't be able to take advantage of the scalability of this tek.
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Re: Grass Seed & Plastic, Myco Match from Heaven. How I grow mushi & the million reasons why. +Potency [Re: Violet]
#18219319 - 05/05/13 07:23 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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There, I broke the paragraph into sentences for easier reading, ate doses last night at the flaming lips and am not running on full, tho I have a bad habit of making walls of text...As far as not necessary in this "tek", people were asking and some misinformation was going around, just trying to help. Furthermore, from what I have read, most people on here couldn't make a cup of coffee, let alone know what silicone to use/not use and why.
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Re: Don't waste grain, there's a better way! • Seed & Plastic — A power tek & million reasons +Potency [Re: FooMan]
#18219459 - 05/05/13 07:52 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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FooMan said: I actually agree with NewfoundFreedom. I have yet to read through any of Violet's teks due to the color of the text. It's not bitching, just constructive criticism. Blah blah blah *snip*
Yes well the fact that you say you have not read violets tek, yet felt compelled to read through the response posts and comment on them instead of actually contributing anything on topic makes your entire post seem to be bs.
You're aware that as a moderator I read through several hundreds of posts/threads a day and yes, I tend to skip through posts that are an eye sore? 
Blah, blah, blah *snip*
Yet you seem to have plenty of time to boot threads asking for agar technique help out of advanced, and comment about things you haven't actually read, and then post negative ratings against noobs when they call you on your BS.
If you step down as mod you might have time to actually read the information you comment on, and at least your nasty and childish use of the ratings system won't reflect so poorly on the shroomery anymore.
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Re: Don't waste grain, there's a better way! • Seed & Plastic — A power tek & million reasons +Potency [Re: fastfred]
#18219513 - 05/05/13 08:05 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Uh uh. Not here.
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Re: Don't waste grain, there's a better way! • Seed & Plastic — A power tek & million reasons +Potency [Re: Violet]
#18219685 - 05/05/13 08:43 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sorry V. I just happened to notice that fooman left a negative rating for BloodKil over calling him out.
This kind of stuff really shouldn't be tolerated here from a mod, so I had to point it out. Hopefully he'll get back in line and start behaving like a proper representative. He can play the ratings game with me if he wants, but starting a guy off with a negative rating and resorting to namecalling over such petty reasons is just lame and highly improper for a mod.
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Re: Don't waste grain, there's a better way! • Seed & Plastic — A power tek & million reasons +Potency [Re: fastfred]
#18221108 - 05/06/13 05:19 AM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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fastfred said: Sorry V. I just happened to notice that fooman left a negative rating for BloodKil over calling him out.
This kind of stuff really shouldn't be tolerated here from a mod, so I had to point it out. Hopefully he'll get back in line and start behaving like a proper representative. He can play the ratings game with me if he wants, but starting a guy off with a negative rating and resorting to namecalling over such petty reasons is just lame and highly improper for a mod.
FF, I'm sorry you still haven't gotten over moving THIS THREAD. My personal rating of someone is an abuse of moderator duties? He is free to rate me back. I've never deleted or edited a negative rating I've received.
PM me if you'd like to discuss this any further. We're not sidetracking this thread with any more BS.
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Re: Don't waste grain, there's a better way! • Seed & Plastic — A power tek & million reasons +Potency [Re: FooMan]
#18221318 - 05/06/13 07:29 AM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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I dont have a microwave and do not really want to drop 50+ dollars on one. Is there an alternative casing procedure you could provide me with?
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