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OfflineTheShroomHermit
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Direct Democracy: Interactive Experiment
    #1811065 - 08/13/03 09:49 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Would you like to see how feasible a Direct Democracy would be? Let's play a game to find out, every shroomerite can (and is encourgaed to) participate. I beleive that The Shroomery has reached critical mass and that Direct Democracy will work if people take it seriously... we have enough people with opposing opinions to make it realistic too.

I don't want to put up any rules, but please try not to screw this experiment over right off the bat. We are trying to form our own government, one that is actually run by the people... so no "Proposal: All people over 80 get free cat food" just yet  :smirk:

I'll start it off, and remember there aren't any rules. If you want to throw up a proposal, start a poll... but be sure to check the poll 24 hours later, becuase thats when the results of the poll are made into a law. (unless you want to create a proposal to ammend that!)

Is anyone confused? Just wing it... I'll start the game.

How should we form an army?
active recruitment
draft
all men required to serve between ages 18-24
both men and women required to serve for several years
Do not form an army (also STAL option)

 


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Re: Direct Democracy: Interactive Experiment [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #1811160 - 08/13/03 10:13 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Just one question. If a new law is passed that violates an old law which applies and is there a larger majority required to overturn a law?


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"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson


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Re: Direct Democracy: Interactive Experiment [Re: z@z.com]
    #1813749 - 08/14/03 03:38 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

which leads you to ask, what is a majority? 51/49? 60/40? how do you implement "majority rules, with respect to the minority"?


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OfflineCornholio
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Re: Direct Democracy: Interactive Experiment [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #1813862 - 08/14/03 04:15 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)


Should we have a death penalty?
yes
no




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OfflineAzmodeus
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Re: Direct Democracy: Interactive Experiment [Re: Cornholio]
    #1814067 - 08/14/03 05:12 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)


What should count as a majority?
51%
60%
70%
75%
80%





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Re: Direct Democracy: Interactive Experiment [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1814074 - 08/14/03 05:14 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)


Should we just let az decide the issues?
Yeah, all of them!
No fucking way!, what do you take me for?
Just the ones that are undecided...
Just the ones that don't matter....




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Re: Direct Democracy: Interactive Experiment [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1819285 - 08/16/03 07:53 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Helloi, my dear bunch of idiots. OK, just kidding.

I want to point out that you are not INFORMED enough to make this important decidions! For every statement you got to choose, you decide to do so on the base of a couple arguments you are in touch.

So, this is not a good example of what Direct Democracy really means!

Or, let me be more more specific, the base of e-democracy, open source politics system is not on the possibility of making voute, but on anihilation of the media opinion hegemony and on a positive trend of understanding the politics as a public act.

I can go on, but all I want out of you is not to missunderstand what e-democracy really means. Do not underestimate it.


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OfflineCornholio
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Re: Direct Democracy: Interactive Experiment [Re: Crobih]
    #1819908 - 08/16/03 03:40 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Did anyone understand what Crobih just said?  If so, could you paraphrase for me?  Seriously, I read his statement five times and I'm not understanding.

Did he just say that people are too stupid to vote in direct democracy because the media controls our thoughts?  That we should let our leadership make decisions for us?  Or did he say something totally different?  :confused: 


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Re: Direct Democracy: Interactive Experiment [Re: Cornholio]
    #1819936 - 08/16/03 03:49 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I think Crobih has some kind of Open Source 'E-Democracy' program/system in the works (which I think he's saying is better than this system) as he's made mention of it a few times. I have no idea exactly what it entails, but I'm sure he'll show us when it's ready.

How far along is this thing Crobih? Do you have any links, or an FAQ?


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Re: Direct Democracy: Interactive Experiment [Re: Crobih]
    #1820920 - 08/16/03 09:42 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I think, who better than the people to decide what is best for them? The media can hold influence, but when the people hold the true power... who is left to influence it, and who is going to benifit from there spins when it is the people who are making the decisions?

I really like the flexablility that a 51% majority gives us... though I think to overwrite a previous law maybe it should be 51% of the population (so that the new law ahould benifit the majority in practise, not just in theory) 51% for any law seems to be working already...


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Re: Direct Democracy: Interactive Experiment [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #1820923 - 08/16/03 09:42 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Oh, a shady looking fellow with an unplacable accent showed up to my house today... he offered our country a nuclear warhead in exchange for a mass migration of his people away from his country's tyrannous government. After I accepted, I told him there were no immigration laws at the moment, and he's free to move his people in and out of our country as he pleased. So hooray! We are a nuclear power... I'm currently trying to figure out how it works, but I think I'll hotwire it into a discrete server once I get it operational.

Choose the fate of this missile:
Hotwire it into poll, that needs 51% to launch
Get rid of it, give it back or dismantle it
Sell it for money
Display it






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Re: Direct Democracy: Interactive Experiment [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #1820924 - 08/16/03 09:43 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

We currently have one person in our army, (and thats me) so if you'd like to join... please mention so in this thread. Becuase there is no military training program, you'll have to train at home. I suggest vigorous excercise, but other than that it is up to you to choose how you'll fight and what weapons you'll use. I've always thought it would be cool to have ninja skills, so I'm focusing on stealth and sabotage. My weapons are 2 daggers, and I alternate with a silenced semi-automatic pistol.

I've been taking security a little more seriously the last few days, becuase I think our people/other countries are poised to take advantage of our political structure. I am proposing that we join the United Nations.


Should we join the United Nations?
Yes.
No.
I am undecided, but still want to vote for something (also stal option)



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