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cherry_darling
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I have a job interview today at a casino....part of their IT dept, not like a "gaming employee" but I'd still have to apply for that gaming card and stuff.
Is it true that most casinos do the hair drug test vs the urine test? I don't wanna just straight up ask em that, but I'd like to know......
Would appreciate any input from casino employees or anyone who knows....I'm DYING to get this job! But it would suck greatly for me to have to get one of those man-lesbian haircuts in order to hide the years of drug use stored away in my ass-long hair 
btw, not in vegas, this is in the midwest
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jboredone
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I don't know for certain but I doubt they check your hair.....
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cherry_darling
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idk who or where i heard this from, but i thought i heard that ALL casinos do the hair test for drugs instead of a urine test, like it was some kind of mandate for them......
hopefully i am wrong lol  just the whole concept of a hair drug test seems particularly invasive
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Maybe you could get a friend to ask a lower level casino employee about what kind of drug tests they do.
I agree that you shouldn't ask in a job interview.
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Full body shave time
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cherry_darling
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fuck! that sucks cuz they offered me the job today  i was so happy cuz it is a huge pay increase, plus working at a casino is just super cool....maybe i'll meet me a robert de niro ace rothstein type hehe but then i was like DAMN i hope i haven't smoked in the last three months (for the hair test)....i know i've been thc-free for two months, hope that'll do  i'll know for sure within the next day or two when i start filling out the paperwork......
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cherry_darling
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if anyone cares about this for future reference (hey, u might find yourself working as a gaming employee one day) i go in for licensing on thursday, so i will update with what all they do. the hr lady told me they will do a fingerprint background check, but didn't mention anything about drug testing, and i didn't ask, although i must assume they will do this. will update thursday afternoon.........
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jboredone
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Best of luck....I really don't think they do hair test but ya never know.....
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I've worked at a casino and it was a urine test. Prepare accordingly.
The background check is very thorough, at least depending on the position. If you are going to be handling their cash on a daily basis expect to fill out a lengthy, intense document and wait 2 weeks or more to hear back. I've known people who had DUI's who were able to proceed without issue, however, copious amounts of debt caused others not to be accepted.
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cherry_darling
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Well I went in for the gaming license application. I think it was a 3 page application to fill out, asked the normal shit about prior addresses, criminal history/financial history.... They also took fingerprints for the background check....for some reason I thought fingerprinting results would be instant, but it will take 3-4 days to get results back. Absolutely no mention was made about drug test - assuming they don't bother with that until background check is complete. The interesting part is that I do have a prior felony, but it has been expunged. I wonder if it will come up since it was an FBI fingerprint check, and the FBI isn't bound by state expungement orders. So we'll see. I also had another job offer in the meantime, so I went ahead and told them YES just in case my background check doesn't pan out......we shall see just how much "expungement" is really worth I've passed regular paper background checks since the expungement, but this is my first fingerprint check since then so I have no idea if/how an expunged conviction will show up in that case.
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Yeah, it seems its different for whatever you'll be doing than for what I'm doing. For me, the background check was literally like 10-20 pages. Credit information, loans, asking about past roommates information (which of course I didn't give, just pretended I forgot), all types of shit.
The fingerprinting isn't really part of the background check. It's just making sure that your prints are on record in case some kind of sketchy robbery goes down, etc etc. If fingerprints are found on a safe that was attempted to be open, that sort of shit. To my knowledge that is the intent there with the fingerprinting.
And yes, they waited until the background check info came in to do the piss test. How long it takes depends on your personal info. People with lots of loans, lots of history or whatever, obviously takes longer. Either way good luck.
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cherry_darling
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Yeah I would be in the IT dept, not like out on the casino floor like a blackjack dealer or money counter or anything, but I still had to apply for a gaming license. There's also a "non-gaming license" that folks are in housekeeping or security have to apply for, but that license only cost $15 bucks, and my gaming license app cost $100 bucks (but the casino pays the app fee up front, then it would get taken out of my paycheck later). Regardless of the gaming vs. non-gaming license, we were all fingerprinted. Just curious, are you in vegas anon? Cuz that's what made me think it I would have to do a hair test - I read something on some forum somewhere that vegas casino make you take a hair test.......
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Nah, I don't work in Vegas. I'm not sure what they do there but for dealers here they didn't do more than a piss test so I'm sure the same would be true of IT people. Or I would imagine so anyway. Can't imagine a hairtest being done.
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I've heard of casinos using hair tests.
Since you're looking at Vegas and not an Indian casino it seems pretty likely to me.
It's fairly common at some companies as a way to weed out long hairs. Many corporations don't like hygene-lacking or borderline personalities working there.
Unfortunately, a man with long hair is a pretty good indicator that they may be this type of person. It's not fair, but many times it's easier to weed people out based solely on a statistical likelihood that you're an undesirable.
Not to be a conformist, but you will tend to do better in life if you conform to the obvious and visible norms. It's a lot smarter to focus your freedom instincts in a way that doesn't visibly brand you to others as a threat to the hegemony or as an undesirable.
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cherry_darling
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i agree ff.....i have long since removed all facial piercings, fortunately i have never gotten any tattoos (ANYWHERE lol) so no worries there. i'm a girl and love my long hair (i know that's not what you were talking about) and really don't wanna cut it, but I will if the need arises. i can always grow more hair, but this job is kinda of a big deal to me & won't come 'round again! it sucks that most people automatically form those kind of opinions about long-haired guys, cuz i LOVE longer hair on a guy, 'tis most sexy I hate the corporate short hair look on a man, it's so cookie-cutter.
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Anonymous said: I've known people who had DUI's who were able to proceed without issue, however, copious amounts of debt caused others not to be accepted.
That's so ridiculous, and it makes me really angry. I hate that companies are doing this, nowadays. And I know that quite a lot of them do (run a credit check.) I can maybe see this being valid if you're going for a position that requires a lot of trust and honesty.
And one might think, at first glance, that a casino job would apply. Especially handling cash. But while that may be a serious responsibility, it doesn't seem like a trust issue to me-- especially considering those places are so heavily monitored for video and sound I don't see how it could even be possible to steal from them.
And if you're in debt, what the fuck else are you supposed to do, but apply for a job? Such a stupid catch-22. Hey, this person's in debt, so let's prevent them from getting anything better paying than a mcdonald's job, so that they can remain in debt and never get anything better-paying than a macdonald's job.  
No wonder so many people turn to drugs and crime. The system is practically designed for it.
I really, really fucking hate the system sometimes.
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cherry_darling said: i'm a girl and love my long hair (i know that's not what you were talking about) and really don't wanna cut it, but I will if the need arises. i can always grow more hair, but this job is kinda of a big deal to me & won't come 'round again! it sucks that most people automatically form those kind of opinions about long-haired guys, cuz i LOVE longer hair on a guy, 'tis most sexy I hate the corporate short hair look on a man, it's so cookie-cutter.
Oh, don't worry. I'm sure the classist, sexist double standard will work to your advantage just this once. In fact, I'd venture to guess that as a female, having a particularly "feminine" look would only improve your chances of getting most jobs.
I hate to agree with FF on this one, but he's absolutely right. I had long hair for much of my adult life. I only cut it short a couple years ago. Prior to that it was down to my ass. And I have to say, the difference in how people looked at me and treated me-- from job interviews, to meeting strangers on the street, seemed to change drastically.
I've always found it funny that many people think the historical Christ may have had long hair-- and yet many so-called "Christians" would look down on a man with long hair as being a freak, a punk, a scrub, etc etc....
Did I ever mention how I really hate society sometimes?
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Anonymous said: I've known people who had DUI's who were able to proceed without issue, however, copious amounts of debt caused others not to be accepted.
That's so ridiculous, and it makes me really angry. I hate that companies are doing this, nowadays. And I know that quite a lot of them do (run a credit check.) I can maybe see this being valid if you're going for a position that requires a lot of trust and honesty.
And one might think, at first glance, that a casino job would apply. Especially handling cash. But while that may be a serious responsibility, it doesn't seem like a trust issue to me-- especially considering those places are so heavily monitored for video and sound I don't see how it could even be possible to steal from them.
And if you're in debt, what the fuck else are you supposed to do, but apply for a job? Such a stupid catch-22. Hey, this person's in debt, so let's prevent them from getting anything better paying than a mcdonald's job, so that they can remain in debt and never get anything better-paying than a macdonald's job.  
No wonder so many people turn to drugs and crime. The system is practically designed for it.
I really, really fucking hate the system sometimes.
/rant
There are more ways to steal from the casino as a dealer or something than simply putting the chips in your pocket and walking out. It is definitely possible, and someone whose rent is due in 3 days and they know they are coming up short, again, due to massive loans or bankruptcy or something are obviously a bigger threat to the businesses cash. It may not be fair but I believe in a companies right to employ who they want to.
The government does the same thing with people who might handle classified information. They don't want someone with financial problems who might be easily swayed by bribery as a means to end their financial troubles.
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fastfred said: I've heard of casinos using hair tests.
Since you're looking at Vegas and not an Indian casino it seems pretty likely to me.
It's fairly common at some companies as a way to weed out long hairs. Many corporations don't like hygene-lacking or borderline personalities working there.
Unfortunately, a man with long hair is a pretty good indicator that they may be this type of person. It's not fair, but many times it's easier to weed people out based solely on a statistical likelihood that you're an undesirable.
Not to be a conformist, but you will tend to do better in life if you conform to the obvious and visible norms. It's a lot smarter to focus your freedom instincts in a way that doesn't visibly brand you to others as a threat to the hegemony or as an undesirable.
-FF
I don't generally contradict FF but this is one area in which I will. Operating as a "long hair" and being unapolegetic about it while still maintaining a standard of hygeine and cleanliness (that need not involve shaving or wearing chemical deodorants) is entirely possible.
The best benefit to this lifestyle is that it permits one to, through hard work, perseverence and persistence to obtain a job that pays taxable income that one is actually comfortable performing. The best part is that this job place will be filled with other people who are more like you than other job places and this will permit you an opportunity to learn and grow in a comfortable environment while also engaging in your own personal activities.
Finding a niche within society where alternative viewpoints and an alternative lifestyle is permitted or embraced is really something that you can't put a price tag on when you are in fact living an alternative lifestyle.
I am certified and accredited in a very specific technical industry that I have for 5-7 years completely ignored in favor of working odd jobs and doing more independent work. Never have I been financially well off until just now that I've managed to get a new and good job that fits my character, but when I was making tons of money at my technical job I wasted all of it and wasn't happy working where I was or living as I was.
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I don't generally contradict FF but this is one area in which I will. Operating as a "long hair" and being unapolegetic about it while still maintaining a standard of hygeine and cleanliness (that need not involve shaving or wearing chemical deodorants) is entirely possible.
I wouldn't say you're disagreeing with me. More like proving my point.
Certainly you can be clean and mentally fit even if you have long hair.
It's what others think that is the problem. And it's not entirely unreasonable for them to have their speculations. Long hair on a man is out of the ordinary, so people immediately speculate.
You might be a non-conformist or mentally odd, which might spill over into other areas that would rock their boat. You might be either obsessed with hygiene or not care whatsoever, either way could be a problem. Long hair is more work, and not particularly masculine or in vogue. So they might wonder if you eschew fashion entirely or are an overly-vain Fabio type.
In the end, a haircut is a small price to pay to fit in, which really makes people wonder about the long hair. It makes them think your counter-culture leanings are more important than the job, which is like a slap in their smug corporate faces.
I think that, in the end, it's just easier to play the game. Conform when it benefits you and doesn't require you to betray any real beliefs. Once people know you they aren't subject to stereotyping you anymore, and you can grow out your hair and let your freak flag fly in all sorts of ways. That's really the only way to break their cycle of discrimination. The next long-hair that comes along with be stereotyped based on what they think of you rather than their random speculations.
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Anonymous said: I've known people who had DUI's who were able to proceed without issue, however, copious amounts of debt caused others not to be accepted.
That's so ridiculous, and it makes me really angry. I hate that companies are doing this, nowadays. And I know that quite a lot of them do (run a credit check.) I can maybe see this being valid if you're going for a position that requires a lot of trust and honesty.
And one might think, at first glance, that a casino job would apply. Especially handling cash. But while that may be a serious responsibility, it doesn't seem like a trust issue to me-- especially considering those places are so heavily monitored for video and sound I don't see how it could even be possible to steal from them.
And if you're in debt, what the fuck else are you supposed to do, but apply for a job? Such a stupid catch-22. Hey, this person's in debt, so let's prevent them from getting anything better paying than a mcdonald's job, so that they can remain in debt and never get anything better-paying than a macdonald's job.  
No wonder so many people turn to drugs and crime. The system is practically designed for it.
I really, really fucking hate the system sometimes.
/rant
My understanding (and it may very well be wrong) is that debt will only exclude you from a job that deals with finances, or where your debt or inability to manage your finances could translate to poor job performance.
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Re: casino jobs [Re: t00th]
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Not really. Many corporations look at your credit score as an indicator of your character.
If you don't pay your bills they either think of you as untrustworthy and a thief (which essentially you are in that case) or they think you're too stupid to manage your money wisely.
Either way you're basically screwed if you're looking for anything better than a minimum wage job.
My credit is total shit, and I'm sure I've been denied jobs based on that. However, I don't believe in paying corporations trying to screw me, so that's unlikely to change.
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