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Re: Greenhouse Tek - FC theory, how-to-use Ultrasonics, and easy indoor greenhouses! [Re: sansa] 1
#18111357 - 04/15/13 02:12 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Maybe I'm not admitting I've created a health hazard because I've not created a health hazard. This is nothing new to me. Anything manually moving air has fans. If you use a coolmist or an ultrasonic in a FC application you have fans with hi humidity. I've had some cheap fans in old coolmist units start to slow down and fail. This speeds up their death but many of mine have lasted longer. I keep getting more fans, I keep not having to throw them away, I keep never blowing fuses, I keep never replacing surge protectors, I keep 95+%RH, I keep growing fungi.

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Re: Greenhouse Tek - FC theory, how-to-use Ultrasonics, and easy indoor greenhouses! [Re: Violet]
#18111458 - 04/15/13 03:35 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Normally I wouldn't bother replying back but since this might get you killed, do you have your circuitry on a GFI? They are not expensive. Something like this
http://www.amazon.com/Tower-Manufacturing-30339005-3-Wire-Adapter/dp/B000P8COIS/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1366018555&sr=8-3&keywords=gfi
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Re: Greenhouse Tek - FC theory, how-to-use Ultrasonics, and easy indoor greenhouses! [Re: sansa]
#18111478 - 04/15/13 03:56 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ideally I would get some metal wire ones and spray them with rhino liner or truck bed liner or atleast a paint to protect against rust.. usually if they are the decent metal racks you could do it.
But your right, walking thru Lowes or Depot the other day I noticed allot of decent plastic racks, even with enough openings for a fruiting shelf for cheap.
for $100 i can get a similar setup, and your tent design is cool I like it. If i expand, your ideas will be kept in mind.
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Re: Greenhouse Tek - FC theory, how-to-use Ultrasonics, and easy indoor greenhouses! [Re: Violet]
#18112114 - 04/15/13 09:59 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Violet said: If you change those filters all the time the grodiness won't be too big a deal. You may not achieve strong humidity with them.
I once used the chassis of a filter-type coolmist, without the filter and water, just for a fan on an ultrasonic. That would be the only potential rigged-up use of wicking/filtered cool mists for FCs, in my opinion
I have an ultra sonic humidifier now, and boy do those babies put out some stuff. I have the cool mist hooked up with the outside air in take getting air directly from out of the gh. Right now the cool mist is on 24/7 and the ultra sonic is on for 30mins/off 1 hour and i have 99% humidity.
I'm going to empty the cool mist and take the filter out and just use it as my fan and see if i get the same results. If not, I can always turn the power up on my ush.
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Re: Greenhouse Tek - FC theory, how-to-use Ultrasonics, and easy indoor greenhouses! [Re: Blake_Shroom]
#18115688 - 04/15/13 09:49 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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You'll likely find you can use smaller intervals on the USH.
I can't say this enough - peeps be pushing too much water in so many greenhouse setups! As long as it's thoroughly swept into the air, very little is needed.
Mine are on max 4mins every hour
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Re: Greenhouse Tek - FC theory, how-to-use Ultrasonics, and easy indoor greenhouses! [Re: Violet]
#18128712 - 04/18/13 10:03 AM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thats what my sub looks like after being in my gh for 2 days. I have my ush on 30mins/off 30mins on the lowest setting. My cool mist is on 24/7 for fae with no filter or water, just the fan.
Hows it look? I dont expect pins for a while since my tubs are all PE so thats not my issue. Does it look too saturated?
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Re: Greenhouse Tek - FC theory, how-to-use Ultrasonics, and easy indoor greenhouses! [Re: Blake_Shroom]
#18130363 - 04/18/13 03:43 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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You need an analogue hygrometer. Can't skimp on that when constructing a greenhouse. Without it, you have little idea where you stand with moisture… and there's no way I could have a better idea about your chamber from the other side of the internet.
Since your USH has "settings" it's hard to tell if 30min on 30min off is too much. I know that with my non-adjustable USHs 2 min on 38 min off is just right.
Using a non-humidying fan for FAE 24/7 will likely dry your chamber a lot. Even with 30min at a time on with the USH, 30 minutes off is too long to have such dry air pushing thru. It's possible you're pushing dry air all the time then spurting mist all in the air at length, leaving your substrates experiencing a to-and-fro that would be hard on them if it's extreme.
Yours don't look dry, maybe there's extra moisture on them, hard to tell because your photo looks blurry.
Only use 24/7 FAE when it's coming from a proper coolmist humidifier. Only use long USH runs when it's actually required to keep humidity up.
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Re: Greenhouse Tek - FC theory, how-to-use Ultrasonics, and easy indoor greenhouses! [Re: Violet]
#18130406 - 04/18/13 03:53 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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With the ultra sonic humidifier on 30mins/off 30 mins and my cool mist on 24/7, I have between 90-99 RH. I have an analog hygrometer is there as well as a digital one (tells the temp as well).
My trays each have the same amount of moisture on the surface of the substrate as all of my mono's have once introduced into fruiting.
I only have 3 trays in there now, but space for 18. By next wednesday i should be able to have about 10 more trays in there.
I'm going to keep up with my schedule right now since everything looks alright. The only thing that sucks is i have to refill my ush every 2 days. Once I start getting some fruits i can really tell if there is any issue.
When you put your colonized sub (i'm assuming you didnt always spawn just RGS and case) did you have moisture on top of your sub? its not sitting water, but the pretty drops that rest on the top.
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Re: Greenhouse Tek - FC theory, how-to-use Ultrasonics, and easy indoor greenhouses! [Re: Blake_Shroom]
#18130436 - 04/18/13 04:00 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sounds like you are fine. Although, your hygrometer will be very slow to react to the swings in RH caused by pushing dry air without humidification for 30min
Check out the modified timer linked in the op. With those you can experiment with getting your half-on-half-off adjusted USH with 1, 2, 4, 7 minute intervals etc. instead of 30, or adjusting your on/off ratio however you like.
In all FC setup scenarios, if you are exchanging more air than you need to, you're watering the air more than you need, and losing more moisture from substrates than you need.
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Re: Greenhouse Tek - FC theory, how-to-use Ultrasonics, and easy indoor greenhouses! [Re: Violet]
#18130467 - 04/18/13 04:07 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ya i saw that, but at the time i only had 1 timer and i needed for my lights. I will take a stab at that tomorrow because I do feel like my hygrometer is off (because of the reason you stated).
If my RH dropped in between cycles would'nt you think I would notice some differences in the amount of moisture on my trays?
Sorry for all the questions, I just want to perfect my GH before my pan cyans and cambo's are ready. After all, that's the main reason I bought it. I hope to use my GH for only pans and just grow as much as i can
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Re: Greenhouse Tek - FC theory, how-to-use Ultrasonics, and easy indoor greenhouses! [Re: Blake_Shroom]
#18130977 - 04/18/13 05:59 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Violet im looking at getting the generic 4 tier greenhouse you see everyone else using with the greenhouse teks
My question is this, I live in the South and summer time is pretty much here, my House temp. at the moment ( in my sunroom - where im planning on putting said greenhouse ) is at 78 deg F. Thats without AC on
Now when I put the AC on im thinking about setting it at 74-76 F. And with the shades up/down I can prolly drop/rasie it a degree or two.
Its Humid here in the summer time and I mean like I feel like a Slave outside working in a cotton field humid. Lets say that this state is pretty much a gold mine IF you can find the right cow pasture, todays Outside Humidity was 80% currently and will be 90% tonight
When all is said and down Im planning on having about 4 x 15quart Hpoo trays in the G-house with between 6 - 8 x 1/2 pint cakes. Im also planning on putting the bottom of the G-house which is open on a tray of perilite. 
Do you think Im going to need a Humidifier in the Greenhouse? I know without one Im going to have to mist the trays/cakes and open the zipper door everyday/every other day for FAE and Moisture , correct?
Im under the impression that based on outside Humidity and the fact that my house usaually is pretty humid inside that If i hook one up im going to over saturate my trays, which from their size alone should be able to produce enough heat, which in conjection with misting should provide a easily obtainable 90ish % humidity.
Ive got a timer similar to the one that youve linked to mod, and I def can mod it, and the local thrift store today had 2 USH and 2 CoolMist Humidifiers ( filter type ) but were def. questionable - said thrift store wouldnt let me test them and also has a no refund return policy 
Im more in the corner of buying the Vicks Filter Free Humidifier and use OZZ's mod and place it inside on said moded timer, if that will work...
Lemme kno what you think, all ive been doing is reading a shite ton on here w/o asking any questions, can find most in search func, but its all dependent on your individ env, setup, # of trays, etc....
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Re: Greenhouse Tek - FC theory, how-to-use Ultrasonics, and easy indoor greenhouses! [Re: Dr.Mind_BendEr]
#18132818 - 04/18/13 11:35 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Blake: If your substrates are getting "misted" enough by the humidifier as to have droplets all-over, they're likely not losing their own moisture to evaporation much or any during the dry periods between. This may work out fine for Cubie ask it can do 70-80% RH no problem in fruit form, but for the fragile and sensitive exotics you're talking about growing, your chamber would be lucky at best to work.
I'd suggest to you what I'm about to suggest to this other peep
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Dr.Mind_BendEr said: Do you think Im going to need a Humidifier in the Greenhouse? I know without one Im going to have to mist the trays/cakes and open the zipper door everyday/every other day for FAE and Moisture , correct?
Correct. I think you'll only need a humidifier in there if you don't think you'll get enough air exchange for your throngs of giant substrates. My GH here doesn't have any FAE device due to large airspace, circulating air, and twice-daily door hangings. This works because of my many small substrates which cannot supply the humidity.
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Dr.Mind_BendEr said: Im under the impression that based on outside Humidity and the fact that my house usaually is pretty humid inside that If i hook one up im going to over saturate my trays, which from their size alone should be able to produce enough heat, which in conjection with misting should provide a easily obtainable 90ish % humidity.
Yours may can easily keep up humidity and have enough air with open-tent with enough open subs and misting, even without such hi local humidity Steady air exchange is what I'd be more concerned with for lots of giant subs. Then once you have enough air exchange misting giant substrates might not be quite enough to keep them in proper form to crop optimally, especially if you have to mist lots. Adding a USH with lots of passive air exchange is one option, and you've already mentioned the other...Quote:
Dr.Mind_BendEr said: Im more in the corner of buying the Vicks Filter Free Humidifier and use OZZ's mod and place it inside on said moded timer, if that will work...
It would work fantastically.
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Re: Greenhouse Tek - FC theory, how-to-use Ultrasonics, and easy indoor greenhouses! [Re: Violet]
#18136356 - 04/19/13 04:41 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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I cant for the life of me get my timer apart. I just went to lowes and got what seemed like the best screw driver, yet i cant unscrew it.
Would a digital timer work?
Any advice on getting this thing apart?
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Re: Greenhouse Tek - FC theory, how-to-use Ultrasonics, and easy indoor greenhouses! [Re: Blake_Shroom]
#18136727 - 04/19/13 06:00 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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They have special triangular screws. I had to use a particular size screwdriver to wedge between two of the three prongs of the recession in order to jimmy the screws loose.
One time that I was modding one I couldn't find a screwdriver of the right size, and had stripped the screws trying anyway. So I used a straight-up drill and bit to drill thru the parts with the screws, totally destroying it and using adhesive to put the halves back together after modification.
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Re: Greenhouse Tek - FC theory, how-to-use Ultrasonics, and easy indoor greenhouses! [Re: Violet]
#18136848 - 04/19/13 06:25 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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That's what I was thinking. There's no vital component s near the screws that could get harmed? Did you use a bit designed for metal?
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Re: Greenhouse Tek - FC theory, how-to-use Ultrasonics, and easy indoor greenhouses! [Re: Blake_Shroom]
#18136884 - 04/19/13 06:32 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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No, as long as you drill right thru where the screws are and the posts of plastic they're in, nothing will be harmed. I just used whatever drill bit I found. The screws were pretty soft as far as metal comes, no problem.
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Re: Greenhouse Tek - FC theory, how-to-use Ultrasonics, and easy indoor greenhouses! [Re: Violet]
#18137918 - 04/19/13 10:10 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks Violet I'll come back and post picks once the greenhouse is set up and said humidifier is hooked up
I know right now tho from a logistical stand point that the temps will be high enough ( 80+ F )by the time my jars are spawned, that a humidifier running all day in the indoor GH is going to soak my trays... sound about right?
Im thinking that the GH temp will be higher than the outside surrounding air which with the humidifer pumping in the GH, is going to coat that sucker
So im thinking I will only need the Humidifer on a small poriton of time, but will need FAE a little more with the large substrate tubs, havent trouble shooted this issue yet.
But who the fuk nkows right, will never know until its built and set up... guess im jjust looking for intelligent ppl whove run a system in a similar environment as mine, and the issues which they have had to deal with ...
Going to delve back into the search bar and let you know what I come up with... fukn mycology, literally a shit ton of work
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Re: Greenhouse Tek - FC theory, how-to-use Ultrasonics, and easy indoor greenhouses! [Re: Dr.Mind_BendEr]
#18241715 - 05/10/13 04:30 AM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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good notes on the passive and active fresh air exchange
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Re: Greenhouse Tek - FC theory, how-to-use Ultrasonics, and easy indoor greenhouses! [Re: nksfo5]
#18620498 - 07/27/13 05:02 PM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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What is the footprint of your greenhouse? I like this design and not sure the dimensions. Thanks!
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Re: Greenhouse Tek - FC theory, how-to-use Ultrasonics, and easy indoor greenhouses! [Re: Violet]
#18935409 - 10/05/13 09:46 AM (11 years, 3 months ago) |
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Violet - I would have posted this in your Violet-tek thread but it was unfortunately closed! What kind of water do you use for your fogger and for bottom-watering your cakes? In an earlier thread you mention that you use good, clean water - do you mean distilled? Do you have to boil it first?
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