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Offlinefieldcubensis17
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for those experienced on the path to enlightenment
    #1809351 - 08/13/03 02:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

hey there, i have started meditating recently and i am now able to clear my mind sometimes at will but i will still have a few thoughts pop in my head during meditation. anyways i was wonderin, i know you have to be patient but all i do when i meditate is clear my head. i never feel this pure bliss, or see visions, or any of that that most people say they see. should i meditate and focus on something or just keep clearin my head? any suggestions please. thankyou.


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Re: for those experienced on the path to enlightenment [Re: fieldcubensis17]
    #1809427 - 08/13/03 03:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

You may find "Journey of Awakening, the meditators guidebook" by Baba Ram Dass to be of some practical value, answers a LOT of questions for those that are just starting out meditating :smile:


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Re: for those experienced on the path to enlightenment [Re: FreakQlibrium]
    #1809438 - 08/13/03 03:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Focus on your dreams for right now...cause a dream is basically just a time when your conscious mind is connecting with your unconscious mind, hence it's a great time to cleanse the body and hone your skills. If you pay close attention to your dreams you can usually get a feel for things in your life that need improving. If you then attempt to make such improvements you willl likely experience less and less informative dreams and more and more that are 'just for fun' so to speak. These are the sort of dreams that you can actually control, and learning to do that will help tremendously in your meditations.


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Re: for those experienced on the path to enlightenment [Re: Mystical_Craven]
    #1809453 - 08/13/03 03:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I do see a lot of things while meditating, but only if I work on my chakras and stimulate them. It helps to quiet the mind before doing that kind of stuff though so your on a good start.


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Re: for those experienced on the path to enlightenment [Re: CockyMandrill]
    #1809461 - 08/13/03 03:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

> should i meditate and focus on something or just keep clearin my head? any suggestions please.

Just sit.  :smile:

If something pops into your head, when you realize it, just let it go.  Don't scold yourself or try harder or anything... simply start again and continue.


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Re: for those experienced on the path to enlightenment [Re: fieldcubensis17]
    #1809536 - 08/13/03 03:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Buddha recommended two practices: clearing your mind, and observing mindfulness. Clearing your mind helps freeing your consciousness from attachments and passions. Observing mindfulness gives insight into the workings of your mind, which makes you see through the illusions present in the world of perceptions. Both practices are needed to reach enlightenment through meditation, according to the Buddha.

I haven't experienced any of this except while tripping, but it makes a lot of sense to me.


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Re: for those experienced on the path to enlightenment [Re: fieldcubensis17]
    #1809770 - 08/13/03 04:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

From your post title I get the feeling that you feel meditation = the path to enligthenment. Do you feel this is the only path? Must one meditate in order to become enlightened?


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Re: for those experienced on the path to enlightenment [Re: RebelSteve33]
    #1809908 - 08/13/03 04:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

> you feel meditation = the path to enligthenment

Enligthenment is of no importance.


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Re: for those experienced on the path to enlightenment [Re: Seuss]
    #1809970 - 08/13/03 05:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Mabye not....but damn!, is it cool! :thumbup:

/measures himself with enlightrometer....


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Re: for those experienced on the path to enlightenment [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1810209 - 08/13/03 06:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Anyone who wants to be enlightend never will be.


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Re: for those experienced on the path to enlightenment [Re: ShadowsEnd]
    #1810225 - 08/13/03 06:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I don't think you would obtain it if it was teh goal of your spirituality either...
In fact i think one would only experience true enlightenment at death, assuming they followed the spiritual path most thier life...


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Re: for those experienced on the path to enlightenment [Re: ShadowsEnd]
    #1810791 - 08/13/03 08:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Anyone who wants to be enlightend never will be.





we all are part of a whole, any experience has potential bring realization, perhaps each experience is realization...thus, we were "enlightend" from the start....but enough about this enlightenment..just so many useless words


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Re: for those experienced on the path to enlightenment [Re: Mystical_Craven]
    #1811055 - 08/13/03 09:47 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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These are the sort of dreams that you can actually control, and learning to do that will help tremendously in your meditations.





Skip is curious about controling your dreams. Are there any good books on this? If this is done, how can this
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Re: for those experienced on the path to enlightenment [Re: NewSpore]
    #1812198 - 08/14/03 04:14 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I think that dreams are the mind working out some of its problems partly...and other dreams are highly significant....they say when a Saint visits you in a dream, 100% of the time its because they chose to do so... I've had some experiences where I was told about future events...

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Anyone who wants to be enlightend never will be.


I think were all on the path to freedom or enlightenment...
some ppl will take longer... sufferings born out of compassion i beleive! how else would we get to the goal


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Re: for those experienced on the path to enlightenment [Re: Rastafari]
    #1812206 - 08/14/03 04:19 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I have recently also been freeing my head of thought....this is a priceless thing because thats where all our problems exist...


i've been reading this book;

"There's a Spiritual Solution to Every Problem"

by Dr. Wayne Dyer....he spits knowledge! he quotes St. Francis to Patanjali, Ramana Maharshi...Math mathitions (how do you spell that?)

heres a quote i just read out of the book

"There is nothing wrong with God's creation. Mystery and suffering only exist in the mind......" - Ramana Maharshi

he talks about bringing spirit...or the higher faster energy of love to the low slow energies of problems...anger...etc... and it nullifies em....its good stuff

definitely something fun to do is try to not think...its very difficult

they say the music is the silence between the notes


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Re: for those experienced on the path to enlightenment [Re: Rastafari]
    #1812529 - 08/14/03 06:43 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Rastafari said:
they say the music is the silence between the notes




I'd say that they are wrong.. music is the interaction between the notes and the silence between them..
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Re: for those experienced on the path to enlightenment [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1813352 - 08/14/03 01:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

everyone would love to be right wouldnt they


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Re: for those experienced on the path to enlightenment [Re: Rastafari]
    #1813404 - 08/14/03 02:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Sure would.

Was that to me, though, man? I think that music is the interaction between the notes and silence.. as the most basic level. Dynamics, accents, are really what kicks you in the teeth..
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Re: for those experienced on the path to enlightenment [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1813415 - 08/14/03 02:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

yeah sorry I just got done reading mndfreezes racist rant towards me (he doesnt even know what race i am)... i forgot i was in the spiritual forum


I agree with you, but the saying is a profound one...

without the silence between the notes there would be no music

same goes with our thoughts... all our problems exist in the mind... so the answer to them is in silence.... I beleive theres alot of wisdom to be had by quieting the mind

they say thoughts are like throwing stones into the pond of life....sends out ripples on the surface so we cant see to the truth on the bottom.


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Re: for those experienced on the path to enlightenment [Re: Rastafari]
    #1813425 - 08/14/03 02:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, dude, I totally agree with you. I was just saying that it isn't just silence that makes it, but what you meant by it is profound. And, in the case of certain death and trash metal bands, the absence of silence is what makes the music.... hehe
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Re: for those experienced on the path to enlightenment [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1813434 - 08/14/03 02:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I agree

also, creativity does take a good energy which could be considered silence as well

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Re: for those experienced on the path to enlightenment [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1813438 - 08/14/03 02:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

..if you can call that music... :wink:


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Re: for those experienced on the path to enlightenment [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1813439 - 08/14/03 02:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

> without the silence between the notes there would be no music

This reminds me of the flow of current down a conductor by the propagation of holes rather than electrons themselves.


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Re: for those experienced on the path to enlightenment [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1813540 - 08/14/03 02:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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..if you can call that music... :wink: 




Most of the death metal I listen to is more of the Gothenburg sound (IN FLAMES, Opeth, Dark Tranquility, that kind of thing), and is quite different than what I was talking about there... constant EVERYTHING.

Myself, I love the DYNAMIC music. Music that has all sorts of colours, textures, facets.. however you want to put it into words. Music that has a lot of different places that it takes you.. my favourite bands being the aforementioned, Tool, Metallica, System of a Down, Iron Maiden, Megadeth, Pink Floyd, and all of the trance I listen to (Shpongle, Infected Mushroom, The Pleidaians, Ethnica, Hallucinogen, Juno Reactor, Astral Projection) ... my band being the epitome of all of that. I can't describe it in words, but you will KNOW when you hear it..

And, to prove that this isn't all off-topic, music is my path to Enlightenment...
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Re: for those experienced on the path to enlightenment [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1813554 - 08/14/03 02:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I have been to many Hindu temples and the core of most spiritual practices involves alot of Devotional Singing

that stuff is also highly dynamic


A Saint says Music is a great form of meditation because when you sing you become the song


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Re: for those experienced on the path to enlightenment [Re: Rastafari]
    #1813583 - 08/14/03 02:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Maynard James Keenan said that the reason he becomes so much of a different person on stage is because of the music, that if you allow it to enter you, it moves you..
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Re: for those experienced on the path to enlightenment [Re: NewSpore]
    #1814706 - 08/14/03 08:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Well Skip, a lot of meditation has do to with self control...and not only your basic self control either, but being able to remain in control of yourself while in an altered state of being. You need to be able to control your thoughts (par exampla: that whole 'quieting of the mind' thing) as well as any physical sensations that may arise in the process (can we say tingle tingle) So you can see why being able to resist certain distractions can assist in asteral projection and the like.

Unfortunately though I don't know of any books on the subject (seeing as I never really have been much of a reader myself) but I did find a couple of websites that might help:

http://www.ria.edu/kismet/DreamControl.htm
http://www.thiaoouba.com/astr.htm
http://www.lucidity.com/
http://www.dreamviews.com/
http://www.lucidity.com/NL52.LightandMirror.html

Note: I just statched these out of a quick google search, so I can't guarentee that they'll be *that* great...but they should certainly give you something that'll get the ball rolling, so to speak.

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Re: for those experienced on the path to enlightenment [Re: Mystical_Craven]
    #1814967 - 08/14/03 09:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Well Skip, a lot of meditation has do to with self control...and not only your basic self control either, but being able to remain in control of yourself while in an altered state of being




One method I have tryed to do this is take a large amount of shrooms and try and watch t.v for the whole trip. I find this does become difficult, but focus can be maintained. Just go and put some movie on and try and follow the plot.


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Re: for those experienced on the path to enlightenment [Re: Rastafari]
    #1815192 - 08/14/03 10:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

think that dreams are the mind working out some of its problems partly...and other dreams are highly significant....they say when a Saint visits you in a dream, 100% of the time its because they chose to do so...

So when a porn star visits me in my dream then...


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Re: for those experienced on the path to enlightenment [Re: Rastafari]
    #1815201 - 08/14/03 10:47 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

by Dr. Wayne Dyer....he spits knowledge! he quotes St. Francis to Patanjali, Ramana Maharshi...

He also quotes such frauds as Carlos Castaneda and Dr. Sixpac Chopra...


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Re: for those experienced on the path to enlightenment [Re: Rastafari]
    #1815213 - 08/14/03 10:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I have been to many Hindu temples and the core of most spiritual practices involves alot of Devotional Singing

Swami Kriyananda of SRF devoted 50 years to writing and singing devotional chants then got kicked out of Ananda for using his position of authority to get sexual favors by giving female devotees "a blessing". Perhaps a little too much stimulation of the third chakra that caused him to raise more than his spiritual vibrations...


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Re: for those experienced on the path to enlightenment [Re: Swami]
    #1815249 - 08/14/03 11:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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think that dreams are the mind working out some of its problems partly...and other dreams are highly significant....they say when a Saint visits you in a dream, 100% of the time its because they chose to do so...

So when a porn star visits me in my dream then... 





got some problems to work out lol

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Re: for those experienced on the path to enlightenment [Re: Swami]
    #1815259 - 08/14/03 11:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Swami said:
by Dr. Wayne Dyer....he spits knowledge! he quotes St. Francis to Patanjali, Ramana Maharshi...

He also quotes such frauds as Carlos Castaneda and Dr. Sixpac Chopra...




do you listen to what the quotes are...or just the names behind em?

I think the quotes he brings from them are pretty valid.
his books do cover alot of ground though... its easier digest as a few pages at a time...

Carlos Casteneda's quote refers to forgetting your personal history... thats a good thing to do when you identify yourself with your past...and what i've seen wayne dyer to take from many places, including people who arent enlightened..is very valid


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Re: for those experienced on the path to enlightenment [Re: Swami]
    #1815265 - 08/14/03 11:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I have been to many Hindu temples and the core of most spiritual practices involves alot of Devotional Singing

Swami Kriyananda of SRF devoted 50 years to writing and singing devotional chants then got kicked out of Ananda for using his position of authority to get sexual favors by giving female devotees "a blessing". Perhaps a little too much stimulation of the third chakra that caused him to raise more than his spiritual vibrations...




may I ask you what caused you to choose that name, and hang ouot in this forum?

I think that little story of yours is a very ignorant thing to bring to the table when I'm expressing the validity of music.

is focusing on all the negative things in the world how you remove your problems?

so the moral of your story was that...spiritual practices and music lead you to give up your ideals?

I guess we should go back to eating beef and voting for bushes.


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Re: for those experienced on the path to enlightenment [Re: Rastafari]
    #1815387 - 08/15/03 12:06 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Ahahaha



Swami, you have no right to go around not believing what people say, even.. ESPECIALLY when the person saying that stuff has no reason to believe what he says other than the words sound pretty when you string them together into a sentence. Why are you here? From now on only agree with stuff you read. I mean, Geez, YOU ARE SOOO MEAN, even though none of your posts in this thread attack anyone, they shatter my porcelain belief system by making fun of people and religions I blindly worship.

I know people, swami, LOTS of people, and I even saw a guy light a piece of paper on fire with ONLY his mind... well, I wish I did.


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Re: for those experienced on the path to enlightenment [Re: Dogomush]
    #1815426 - 08/15/03 12:24 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

dogo, i've seen ishnizzle like that ;]


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