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PussyFart
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Re: Getting an underground grow room! [Re: Sillyputty67]
#18089606 - 04/10/13 09:32 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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malicom said: Your whole thermal idea is flawed, unless you go really deep. Heat rises, and the ground will radiate thermals over a dedicated grow. You need to somehow shield your heat to be effective.
I think 4-5 feet of earth would do that, no?
My only logic here is the frost line, which is usually 40" or less.
Meaning in the middle of the winter, about 4 feet deep the ground is not frozen.
I dunno, maybe that's just stoner logic.
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Sillyputty67

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Re: Getting an underground grow room! [Re: PussyFart]
#18089632 - 04/10/13 09:36 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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12 hours of light per day will kick off a lot of btu. It may not alter the ground above a ton, but over time, the heat will build up residually, and glow on ir. Maybe not a ton, but enough to distinguish.
Im thinking of this in terms of how a poured cement foundation changes annually. Stores heat in the winter, Cools in the summer etc. That residual heat has got to go somewhere.
I do agree about the winter part. Winter snow, and frost would be a perfect shield. Well that takes care of a few months a year.
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Edited by Sillyputty67 (04/10/13 09:40 PM)
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Re: Getting an underground grow room! [Re: Sillyputty67]
#18089698 - 04/10/13 09:55 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Weed does not put off any type of thermal reading what so ever.
come on now think about it, thats like saying pine trees give off radiation so the dea in washington d.c. can pick up on it... man some people crack me up.
The thermal readings come from like 10,000 watts of hps or metal halide lights period. Hott lights= thermal readings, not cool leaves that are the same temp as the surrounding area and virtually the same temp as the air.
Let me ask this: if it is 85F degrees outside, how warm are the leaves on trees? 150F? no... how warm is the bark on a pot plant? 105F? no It might be a few degrees warmer if its really dark, black leaves and the people who grow black pot plants are very limited, me being one of them.
Another thing is marijuana is a multi billion dollar industry, and will make thousands more than the mushroom industry, Only a few people like to trip every weekend, while there are millions of people who smoke pot every day. You eat mushrooms every day?
Just my two cents, thanks for listing!!
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Capn Blue Beard
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Re: Getting an underground grow room! [Re: Sillyputty67]
#18089717 - 04/10/13 10:00 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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malicom said: Your whole thermal idea is flawed, unless you go really deep. Heat rises, and the ground will radiate thermals over a dedicated grow. You need to somehow shield your heat to be effective. Aerial infra red will still pick up your op. In fact it will stick right out. You will always have thermals at your ducting inputs and outputs. That is unless your op does not need fresh air.....
They can see thermals on the surface of mars 2 au away. A big square reddish infrared signature on the forest floor will set off some alarms. Guaranteed.
If something looks like it wants to be hidden, and is seen, there is suspicion.
Id personally rather grow an active mushroom, and tell people its an edible variety. People are dumb. They take it hook line and sinker. I am just starting edibles as well. The mask of ambiguity continues.
This is called the hidden in plain sight approach. Its pretty darn effective, and you dont need to spend a lot of cash to make something, that if someone ever sees, will know is shady.
Thats what I am doing right now. A child come to the house time to time and Im worried about him. Thus we have moved our martha to beside our bed in the back half of the room, and put the actives on the top shelf well out of his reach.
Its just nerve racking. He never enters the room but there is always that fear. Smart thing would be to stop, but we've invested so much money here it is difficult to part with. So it remains sectioned off under lock and chain.
Thermals from ducts are indeed a problem as well. I suppose e could say its our storm shelter and we have lights and what not running. We do have the right to deny them access and we saw a hot spot over their storm shelter doesn't sound like enough evidence for a warrant.
Just looking for ideas still. All this negativity floating around isn't ideas, just people being unwelcomed guests in the thread.
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Capn Blue Beard
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first time expert said: Weed does not put off any type of thermal reading what so ever.
come on now think about it, thats like saying pine trees give off radiation so the dea in washington d.c. can pick up on it... man some people crack me up.
The thermal readings come from like 10,000 watts of hps or metal halide lights period. Hott lights= thermal readings, not cool leaves that are the same temp as the surrounding area and virtually the same temp as the air.
Let me ask this: if it is 85F degrees outside, how warm are the leaves on trees? 150F? no... how warm is the bark on a pot plant? 105F? no It might be a few degrees warmer if its really dark, black leaves and the people who grow black pot plants are very limited, me being one of them.
Another thing is marijuana is a multi billion dollar industry, and will make thousands more than the mushroom industry, Only a few people like to trip every weekend, while there are millions of people who smoke pot every day. You eat mushrooms every day?
Just my two cents, thanks for listing!!
Totally agreed I was told this from the grower which is why he wanted to go underground. I might need to rethink this underground op
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Sillyputty67

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I wasnt trying to be negative bro. Just throwing out ideas. Having a shelter is a decent idea. The other idea i just came up with is:
Build your underground structure. Build an above ground structure over it, with a hidden entrance etc... Vent your heat from your op out your chimney in the above ground structure. Call it your hunting camp. You gotta go Gus Fring on this shit bro.
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Edited by Sillyputty67 (04/10/13 10:08 PM)
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Capn Blue Beard
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Re: Getting an underground grow room! [Re: Sillyputty67]
#18089758 - 04/10/13 10:10 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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malicom said: I wasnt trying to be negative bro. Just throwing out ideas. Having a shelter is a decent idea. The other idea i just came up with is:
Build your underground structure. Build an above ground structure over it, with a hidden entrance etc... Vent your heat from your op out your chimney in the above ground structure. Call it your hunting camp. You gotta go Gus Fring on this shit bro.
Oh no no no not you being negative haha I meant in general, should have sub phrased that last part
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Dude, if you are 110% serious about what you do and dont want to get caught, go underground!! Did you see the first couple of posts where I saw those guys burried 20 railroad cars? They grew there for 3 years and the only reason they got caught was because they got ratted out.
It can be done, people are probably underground right now making millions!! Im sure of that. You just have to be very descreet about where you get your supplies and the people you let into that type of business.
As for any thing heat, It takes so much money for them to fly over woods and look for heat??? maybe in an area where they have a tip, they might, might do that. put alot of planning into it, and dont let alot of peps know. if more than 3 people know, fuk that cancel regroup and make a new plan.
Its all in the plans man!!
No negative thoughts here, just trying to make a point, sorry if I can across rude in my last post
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Capn Blue Beard
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first time expert said: Dude, if you are 110% serious about what you do and dont want to get caught, go underground!! Did you see the first couple of posts where I saw those guys burried 20 railroad cars? They grew there for 3 years and the only reason they got caught was because they got ratted out.
It can be done, people are probably underground right now making millions!! Im sure of that. You just have to be very descreet about where you get your supplies and the people you let into that type of business.
As for any thing heat, It takes so much money for them to fly over woods and look for heat??? maybe in an area where they have a tip, they might, might do that. put alot of planning into it, and dont let alot of peps know. if more than 3 people know, fuk that cancel regroup and make a new plan.
Its all in the plans man!!
No negative thoughts here, just trying to make a point, sorry if I can across rude in my last post
Absolutely! We are going to find a way to do it, we still have tons and tons of planning. Thanks for the encouragement
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It probably has alot to do with a bunch of variables. Like: how much funding do you have, how much experience is involved. And how smart, can you really be. Shit i read a post where some one said they could grow weed with like 140 buks. HAHAHALOL any way, figure it out, spring is here and the earth is crying to provide life, give it what it wants!
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FrankHorrigan
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OP, you're going to waste a lot of time, resources and money, not to mention needlessly becoming paranoid.
You've been a member for 3 weeks. You've barely gotten one grow under your belt. You want to start a huge operation with a bunch of people already growing a scheduled substance? You're clearly in over your head here.
The general consensus from knowledgable cultivators is that this scheme of yours is going to end badly and probably sooner than anyone hopes for. Odds are you may get away with it as far as the law goes- but I bet you're going to make a huge project for your first big run with bulk and it's quite likely to end in disaster.
Now quit living in the sky and start realistically planning your operation, you'll go much further by taking it one step at time.
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Re: Getting an underground grow room! [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18091250 - 04/11/13 10:03 AM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Has anyone ever heard of the Tennessee pot cave? Now, THAT has to be one of the most elaborate real life grow op's EVER - even more so that the buried train cars.
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PussyFart
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Re: Getting an underground grow room! [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18091679 - 04/11/13 12:23 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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FrankHorrigan said: Now quit living in the sky and start realistically planning your operation, you'll go much further by taking it one step at time.


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Re: Getting an underground grow room! [Re: PussyFart] 1
#18092161 - 04/11/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Build a solid building and put "compost" signs all over it, no doors, just a fake one that open to the brick wall behind it (hah), and an underground tunnel from a trap door built into a tree stump.. Compost explains heat signature, no way in but the hidden entrance, and the door to not look suspicious.
Damn I'm high cuz that sounds foolproof
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wildernessjunkie said: Uesd shipping containers can be found for 2500 bucks.
And then there's this. A prefabricated grow room. Not sure on the price of these.
http://www.mycosupply.com/growrooms/
Mannnnn we had one of these at work, it was going to be used as an office, but boss didn't like it, and he just threw it out. hindsight... damn.
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Re: Getting an underground grow room! [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18092222 - 04/11/13 02:48 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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FrankHorrigan said: OP, you're going to waste a lot of time, resources and money, not to mention needlessly becoming paranoid.
You've been a member for 3 weeks. You've barely gotten one grow under your belt. You want to start a huge operation with a bunch of people already growing a scheduled substance? You're clearly in over your head here.
The general consensus from knowledgable cultivators is that this scheme of yours is going to end badly and probably sooner than anyone hopes for. Odds are you may get away with it as far as the law goes- but I bet you're going to make a huge project for your first big run with bulk and it's quite likely to end in disaster.
Now quit living in the sky and start realistically planning your operation, you'll go much further by taking it one step at time.

Spot on, Frank. Take this constructive criticism and use it wisely. I have seen your posts on other sections of the forum talking about needing to pay your bills... Think critically about every little action you choose to follow through with. Instead of thinking of the large end result take the time to make gradual process, which in turn will end in more favorable results. I cannot stress it enough to think critically. For example a simple google search would have told you that reishis are far from illegal, yet you found the need to make a whole thread about its legality. Just seems like mild stupidity to me. Your dealing with an illicit schedule one substance. If you fuck up it could have serious jail time. Just my 2 cents take it or leave it. I in no way mean to be negative it is just my thoughts from reading some of your posts.
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Re: Getting an underground grow room! [Re: BuddyGreen]
#18092262 - 04/11/13 02:57 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Oh shit I found it, check this out. These guys got busted because too many people knew about their operation. Be careful about what you do, you might be rolling for a few years, but if you dont watch your ass some big dude will be in prison
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Re: Getting an underground grow room! [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18092422 - 04/11/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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FrankHorrigan said: OP, you're going to waste a lot of time, resources and money, not to mention needlessly becoming paranoid.
You've been a member for 3 weeks. You've barely gotten one grow under your belt. You want to start a huge operation with a bunch of people already growing a scheduled substance? You're clearly in over your head here.
The general consensus from knowledgable cultivators is that this scheme of yours is going to end badly and probably sooner than anyone hopes for. Odds are you may get away with it as far as the law goes- but I bet you're going to make a huge project for your first big run with bulk and it's quite likely to end in disaster.
Now quit living in the sky and start realistically planning your operation, you'll go much further by taking it one step at time.

I can agree with this. Most of what I have done in the past has been edibles.. actually all I have done has been edibles up until these brf cakes, rgs and wbs ive been doing since lurking and joining.
So to you Frank, If you were to do a grow room - just hypothetically - how would you go about it? I'm thinking I might call it off until next year some time. I certainly feel I need to battle more contams because I havent had any yet. Although I could read everything on here about anything, I am a hands on learner.
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FrankHorrigan said: OP, you're going to waste a lot of time, resources and money, not to mention needlessly becoming paranoid.
You've been a member for 3 weeks. You've barely gotten one grow under your belt. You want to start a huge operation with a bunch of people already growing a scheduled substance? You're clearly in over your head here.
The general consensus from knowledgable cultivators is that this scheme of yours is going to end badly and probably sooner than anyone hopes for. Odds are you may get away with it as far as the law goes- but I bet you're going to make a huge project for your first big run with bulk and it's quite likely to end in disaster.
Now quit living in the sky and start realistically planning your operation, you'll go much further by taking it one step at time.

I can agree with this. Most of what I have done in the past has been edibles.. actually all I have done has been edibles up until these brf cakes, rgs and wbs ive been doing since lurking and joining.
So to you Frank, If you were to do a grow room - just hypothetically - how would you go about it? I'm thinking I might call it off until next year some time. I certainly feel I need to battle more contams because I havent had any yet. Although I could read everything on here about anything, I am a hands on learner.
You don't need anything special for a grow room. You just need a corner of the house that you can stack tubs or a GH and let them grow. You can use a bathroom or a still air tent (my sig has a link) to do all your inoculations/work. If you have a basement, you have all the space you could ever need for a good sized op if you so desired
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