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if a cop asks you for ur phone is there a law saying u have to give it to them?
#18091581 - 04/11/13 11:49 AM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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just curious if u can refuse
also like if they do take it without even asking and u have a passcode on ur phone do u have to tell them what it is
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Re: if a cop asks you for ur phone is there a law saying u have to give it to them? [Re: Sheekle] 1
#18091599 - 04/11/13 11:53 AM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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Not sure if you have to give them your phone if they demand but.....
If they confiscate your phone and want whatever information is on it to build their case against you, they don't need the passcode. They have a machine they plug the phone into, and it downloads everything from the phone to their computers.
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Re: if a cop asks you for ur phone is there a law saying u have to give it to them? [Re: weilii-coyote]
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Re: if a cop asks you for ur phone is there a law saying u have to give it to them? [Re: weilii-coyote]
#18099549 - 04/12/13 08:48 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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weilii-coyote said: Not sure if you have to give them your phone if they demand but.....
If they confiscate your phone and want whatever information is on it to build their case against you, they don't need the passcode. They have a machine they plug the phone into, and it downloads everything from the phone to their computers.
Holy isht! http://govtslaves.info/police-can-hack-your-phone-in-2-minutes/
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Re: if a cop asks you for ur phone is there a law saying u have to give it to them? [Re: Sheekle]
#18101098 - 04/13/13 02:48 AM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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You can 'forget' your super crazy password. And you can full phone encrypt. Good luck if you have an iphone..
As far as I'm aware, the devices they plug into the phones to pull all the data off it, first try and brute force crack your PW. If you have a really hard password, you are already more secure. And if you have full phone encryption, I imagine that make it much, much, much harder for them. There are also apps out there that will delete all the data off the phone if it detects hacks or gets a special keyword.
I don't think there's any law that says they can just take your phone. 4th amendment and all that. But that doesn't mean they wont, and do on a daily basis no doubt. If you get arrested chances are probably extremely high they will. Best to make it as difficult for them as possible
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Re: if a cop asks you for ur phone is there a law saying u have to give it to them? [Re: Shroomism]
#18105987 - 04/13/13 11:31 PM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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You can refuse anything, if it is within their legal right or they have a warrent, they will do it anyways. Always refuse.
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Re: if a cop asks you for ur phone is there a law saying u have to give it to them? [Re: Azure Essence]
#18106096 - 04/14/13 12:00 AM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yup only if they have a warrent otherwise they can go fuck their nazi asselves.
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Re: if a cop asks you for ur phone is there a law saying u have to give it to them? [Re: nurazz]
#18106668 - 04/14/13 04:54 AM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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In EU, they can ASK, but no legal OBLIGATION to give it. They try to punk you by asking it but you dont have to give it unless they have a court warrant.
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Re: if a cop asks you for ur phone is there a law saying u have to give it to them? [Re: forestly]
#18107156 - 04/14/13 09:27 AM (11 years, 1 month ago) |
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I know that on an iPad there's a setting where if fifteen unsuccessful password attempts are made, the whole device is deleted.
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Re: if a cop asks you for ur phone is there a law saying u have to give it to them? [Re: ch1ck3n.s0up]
#18146256 - 04/21/13 06:29 PM (11 years, 30 days ago) |
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last i heard if your phone is password protected, officers need a warrant to search the data, if your phone is not password protected, its fair game
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Re: if a cop asks you for ur phone is there a law saying u have to give it to them? [Re: 1EyeCries]
#18149355 - 04/22/13 11:39 AM (11 years, 29 days ago) |
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Don't have shit on your phone.
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Re: if a cop asks you for ur phone is there a law saying u have to give it to them? [Re: Sheekle]
#18152875 - 04/22/13 09:58 PM (11 years, 29 days ago) |
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Sheekle said: just curious if u can refuse
also like if they do take it without even asking and u have a passcode on ur phone do u have to tell them what it is
If you claim your human rights, and maintain that you are a Human Being, and you are not giving up any rights that are guarantied to you under the Canadian Charter of Rights that are directly and only concerning human beings than;
They do not have the jurisdiction to confiscate your phone.
Because : Your phone is your personal property and they can not take away your private property without due process. Which means a court of a law, a judge has to authorize it.
however, they are heavily armed, skilled bullshit, con artist liars so they may just RIPP you off anyways.
They may read it, but whatever information they discover, they now have it....they just can't convict you on it in court.
You can sue them in court for stealing your personal property, but unfortunately the crown, the courts are very corrupt. That is why they are called "The Criminal Justice System", because that is who is running it; the damn criminals.
edit * statements retracted *
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Re: if a cop asks you for ur phone is there a law saying u have to give it to them? [Re: Vitalux]
#18182671 - 04/28/13 06:47 PM (11 years, 23 days ago) |
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best bet would be to smash it
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Re: if a cop asks you for ur phone is there a law saying u have to give it to them? [Re: AcidBath]
#18182901 - 04/28/13 07:40 PM (11 years, 23 days ago) |
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then they'd say you were trying to cover up evidence or some bullshit and then get a warrant to check your phone records and shit... cops can basically do what they want, so don't piss em off... nvm..fuck that.. avoid them at all costs... or become one lol.. im joking dont become one..
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Re: if a cop asks you for ur phone is there a law saying u have to give it to them? [Re: Vitalux]
#18184367 - 04/29/13 12:18 AM (11 years, 22 days ago) |
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Wow! That is some major bullshit!
In case anyone missed that NEVER trust a Canadian lawyer. Apparently they're just cops in disguise that you actually have to pay to fuck you over.
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Re: if a cop asks you for ur phone is there a law saying u have to give it to them? [Re: fastfred]
#18187377 - 04/29/13 04:03 PM (11 years, 22 days ago) |
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Sloant has posted that before. It's actually bullshit. I've addressed it all here:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17355536#17355536
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Re: if a cop asks you for ur phone is there a law saying u have to give it to them? [Re: Enlil]
#18187898 - 04/29/13 05:27 PM (11 years, 22 days ago) |
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If he's intentionally posting disinformation why haven't the mods censured him?
Get on the job mods!
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Re: if a cop asks you for ur phone is there a law saying u have to give it to them? [Re: fastfred]
#18187908 - 04/29/13 05:29 PM (11 years, 22 days ago) |
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The mods don't regulate inaccurate speech.
The solution to false speech is more speech....not censorship
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Re: if a cop asks you for ur phone is there a law saying u have to give it to them? [Re: Enlil]
#18190403 - 04/30/13 01:28 AM (11 years, 21 days ago) |
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This site has forums like OTD and the pub where there are no rules. Other forums have basic standards.
You'd be hard pressed to find a bigger defender of free speech or hater of censorship. But allowing the repeated spamming of a fabricated picture in some intentional attempt to mislead others by slandering a group or organization, seems to cross the line IMHO.
I've been censored a few times here and had plenty of threads I was participating in closed. Rarely was it justified, so it kind of pisses me off to see censorship used as a petty tool while not fulfilling the very justification for it existing in the first place.
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Re: if a cop asks you for ur phone is there a law saying u have to give it to them? [Re: fastfred]
#18190580 - 04/30/13 02:55 AM (11 years, 21 days ago) |
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post retracted due to me posting inaccurate information.
will report back once i do more research
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Re: if a cop asks you for ur phone is there a law saying u have to give it to them? [Re: Vitalux]
#18190766 - 04/30/13 05:22 AM (11 years, 21 days ago) |
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sloantbone said: Blacks Law 5th edition(1991) - p769-sect2 - Attorney and Client
If you go to that year of Blacks Law Book, that Edition (1991) and that Page and section
Wow, sloant...did someone tell you this? Or are you just trying to pull a fast one here? The 5th edition of Blacks law was published in 1979. The 6th edition came out in 1990. There is no 1991 version of the 5th edition. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black%27s_Law_Dictionary I suspect that someone told you it was there, and you believed it without checking for yourself. That's the same thing you did with the CJS, and you were wrong then as well.
Either way, cool move...send people to check out a book that doesn't exist.
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Re: if a cop asks you for ur phone is there a law saying u have to give it to them? [Re: Enlil] 1
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Re: if a cop asks you for ur phone is there a law saying u have to give it to them? [Re: Enlil]
#18190921 - 04/30/13 07:12 AM (11 years, 21 days ago) |
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I stand corrected. 
So far you appear correct
I was going by the word of Jordan Maxwell from his video presentations.
I will abstain from making any further comments again on this until I do more research.
If I am wrong, I will come back and give you an apology
thanks
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Re: if a cop asks you for ur phone is there a law saying u have to give it to them? [Re: Vitalux]
#18191287 - 04/30/13 09:32 AM (11 years, 21 days ago) |
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For your convenience, here is page 769 of the 5th edition of Black's Law Dictionary.
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Re: if a cop asks you for ur phone is there a law saying u have to give it to them? [Re: Shroomism]
#18195140 - 05/01/13 12:50 AM (11 years, 20 days ago) |
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Az0th said:
There are also apps out there that will delete all the data off the phone if it detects hacks or gets a special keyword.
anyone have names for some of these apps?
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Re: if a cop asks you for ur phone is there a law saying u have to give it to them? [Re: fastfred]
#18195443 - 05/01/13 03:10 AM (11 years, 20 days ago) |
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fastfred said: If he's intentionally posting disinformation why haven't the mods censured him?
Get on the job mods!
We don't have any rules against being wrong.
If people post incorrect things, someone will come along and correct them.
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Re: if a cop asks you for ur phone is there a law saying u have to give it to them? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#18196411 - 05/01/13 10:43 AM (11 years, 20 days ago) |
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Re: if a cop asks you for ur phone is there a law saying u have to give it to them? [Re: Gogeta] 1
#18198591 - 05/01/13 06:40 PM (11 years, 20 days ago) |
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A long long time ago, me and my friend were smoking fake weed behind a movie theater.
We were really young, and some bike cops rolled up. Since im high as fuck off this fake weed i threw my pipe as far i could. My dumbasss friend had brought a gram of some shitty ass shwag. He forgot he had in his pocket.
So the cops proceeds to search us, we were both super high. As the cops were asking us questions i was making sure i answered all of them cause my other friend was literally retarded high at this point.
The cop searches me 5 times....and kept asking me the same damn questions, but i was answering them the same every time.
My other friend who the cop separated to interrogate is making up a bullshit story...and is being super sketchy. they find his weed and start giving us shit about how shitty our weed was. They were literally laughing in our faces.
The douche bag cops proceeds to take my phone and demands my password... After i argue with him for like 5 mins, he finally give in considering i didnt want to go to jail for a gram of weed when i was only a minor. I remember telling him "i have rights, u cant look through my phone" they all literally laughed in my face.
The fucker took his time to read through every single one of my messages out loud. Some shit was embarrassing. After a while i was just laughing cause of how retarded this cop was.
They called my friends parent and we got picked up. It was some bullshit. I never smoked fake weed after that incident.
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Re: if a cop asks you for ur phone is there a law saying u have to give it to them? [Re: technomobster123]
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technomobster123 said: A long long time ago, me and my friend were smoking fake weed behind a movie theater.
We were really young, and some bike cops rolled up. Since im high as fuck off this fake weed i threw my pipe as far i could. My dumbasss friend had brought a gram of some shitty ass shwag. He forgot he had in his pocket.
So the cops proceeds to search us, we were both super high. As the cops were asking us questions i was making sure i answered all of them cause my other friend was literally retarded high at this point.
The cop searches me 5 times....and kept asking me the same damn questions, but i was answering them the same every time.
My other friend who the cop separated to interrogate is making up a bullshit story...and is being super sketchy. they find his weed and start giving us shit about how shitty our weed was. They were literally laughing in our faces.
The douche bag cops proceeds to take my phone and demands my password... After i argue with him for like 5 mins, he finally give in considering i didnt want to go to jail for a gram of weed when i was only a minor. I remember telling him "i have rights, u cant look through my phone" they all literally laughed in my face.
The fucker took his time to read through every single one of my messages out loud. Some shit was embarrassing. After a while i was just laughing cause of how retarded this cop was.
They called my friends parent and we got picked up. It was some bullshit. I never smoked fake weed after that incident.
hahahahahahaha sorry man thats hilarious lmao
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Re: if a cop asks you for ur phone is there a law saying u have to give it to them? [Re: Sheekle]
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hahahahahahaha sorry man thats hilarious lmao
yeah me and my friend still laugh our ass off about this incident every time we bring it up.
haha fuck fake weed... it was easier to get than real weed at that time.
Literally we would walk up to gas stations and buy it. Its kinda fucked up. Luckly i didnt smoke alot of that shit. but i remember getting super super fucked up as kid off that shit.
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Re: if a cop asks you for ur phone is there a law saying u have to give it to them? [Re: Sheekle]
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