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surface to air missile smuggling
    #1808548 - 08/13/03 09:45 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A man who authorities say plotted to sell a surface-to-air missile to what he thought was a Muslim extremist is expected to appear in a New Jersey courtroom today after being nabbed with two others Tuesday in an elaborate FBI sting operation.

The arrests came at the end of a yearlong undercover operation in which U.S. agents, aided by Russian officials, posed as Muslim extremists to buy the missile, U.S. government sources said Tuesday.

The weapon arrived from Russia Tuesday afternoon at a port in Newark, New Jersey, with the full knowledge and cooperation of U.S. officials.

Officials said undercover agents received the weapon and arrested the man, identified by a senior U.S. government source as Hekmat Lakhani.

Lakhani, a British citizen of Indian descent, is an independent arms dealer who has sold weapons to terrorist cells, Muslim extremists, and "rogue nations," according to a source close to the investigation.

Later in the day, authorities arrested two Manhattan gem dealers who law enforcement sources said were thought to be the "money launderers" in the case, taking care of the cash between the buyer and the seller.

Shoulder-fired surface-to-air missiles have raised concern among government and security officials because their portability makes them easy to use against commercial airliners.

The Department of Homeland Security estimates there are 750,000 shoulder-fired missiles in the world, and they are easy to obtain on the black market.

Each missile weighs about 30 to 40 pounds (13.6 to 18.1 kilograms) and could fit inside a golf bag, counterterrorism expert Brian Jenkins told CNN.

While sources could not give a dollar amount for the missile involved in the sting, they estimated it would probably sell for about $100,000. (Factfile)

Russians, British aided sting
U.S. government sources said the sting operation began after U.S. agents learned of Lakhani, who advertised his ability to buy missiles.

After U.S. agents posing as Muslim extremists approached Lakhani, he made inquiries in Russia about purchasing a missile, the sources said.

Russian authorities became involved and posed undercover with the U.S. agents in several meetings with Lakhani in St. Petersburg and Moscow, the sources said.

With U.S. approval, the Russians provided Lakhani with a Russian-made shoulder-launched SA-18 Igla missile, several U.S. government sources said.

Lakhani arranged for the missile to be shipped to the United States, without explosives, with full knowledge of the United States, the sources said.

Lakhani arrived over the weekend to complete the cash transaction, those sources said. He was expected in federal court in Newark Wednesday around 10 a.m. The other men will appear in federal court in Manhattan.

Besides the Russians, the British also played a large role in the sting, U.S. government sources said. Search warrants in the case were executed Tuesday in Britain, but it was unclear what they yielded, the sources said.

The two gem dealers worked at an office called Ambuy, located on the 12th floor of a building on Fifth Avenue in Manhattan's jewelry exchange district, officials said.

One eyewitness said he watched about a dozen FBI agents Tuesday afternoon carry out 32 pieces of evidence, including boxes and filing cabinets.

Failed attempt a 'wake-up call'
A failed attempt in November to shoot down an Israeli charter jet with a shoulder-fired missile as it took off from the airport in Mombasa, Kenya, was a "wake-up call" for U.S. intelligence agencies, several officials said, underscoring the vulnerability of airliners.

The attempt occurred within minutes of an al Qaeda-claimed suicide bombing at a nearby Israeli-owned hotel that killed more than a dozen people, and authorities believe both attacks were coordinated.

The Department of Homeland Security has asked eight government contractors to come up with plans for anti-missile technology that could be put on airliners to prevent a missile strike.

An interagency task force likewise has been assessing additional security measures that can be taken at airports, such as fencing.

Sen. Charles Schumer, D-New York, said the sting proved the threat to commercial airliners from shoulder-fired missiles "is no longer theoretical."

"The fact that DHS is planning to take at least two years to develop a missile defense prototype to outfit the U.S. commercial fleet verges on the dangerous," said Schumer, who is sponsoring legislation to put anti-missile technology on the U.S. airliners.

"The White House ought to be providing Homeland Security with the money it needs to begin protecting civilian aircraft with jamming devices immediately, before it's too late," he said.

The Bush administration is trying to stem the proliferation of the missiles by encouraging other nations to better control their inventories and by reinstituting buyback programs in some high-risk countries.

The Department of Homeland Security also has been evaluating about a dozen overseas airports to determine their vulnerability to attacks with shoulder-fired missiles. (Full story)

CNN correspondents David Ensor, Jeanne Meserve, Deborah Feyerick and Kelli Arena and producers Kevin Bohn, Ronnie Berke and Vivienne Foley contributed to this report.




These guys should be publicly executed for all to see. Here is a question. Is the guy who is selling the missile just for the money, as bad or worse than the terrorists?


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Re: surface to air missile smuggling [Re: shakta]
    #1808549 - 08/13/03 09:46 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Yes, just as bad.


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Re: surface to air missile smuggling [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1808561 - 08/13/03 09:54 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I almost think it is worse. The terrorists are nuts, and think they are doing what their Allah wants them to do. This guy was just in it for the money. He was willing to destroy hundreds of lives for a relatively small amount of money.


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Re: surface to air missile smuggling [Re: shakta]
    #1808602 - 08/13/03 10:19 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

It's a bad thing, but it is not worse than killing people. You think selling a weapon is worse than killing a person?


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Re: surface to air missile smuggling [Re: FileSoup]
    #1808623 - 08/13/03 10:28 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Knowingly selling it to terrorists is just as bad as pulling the trigger. He is reported to have told the undercover agent that it could be used to take down a plane. That means one thing. He had no problem selling it to someone who would use it to take down a civillian airliner. My point was that this guy is a total scumbag basically. :smile:


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Re: surface to air missile smuggling [Re: shakta]
    #1808686 - 08/13/03 11:03 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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shakta said:
I almost think it is worse. The terrorists are nuts, and think they are doing what their Allah wants them to do. This guy was just in it for the money. He was willing to destroy hundreds of lives for a relatively small amount of money.




Yes, I agree completely. That's why the United States must be stopped.

US Sells Half of International Arms Exports



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Re: surface to air missile smuggling [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1808700 - 08/13/03 11:11 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I knew that was coming. Apples and oranges. :rolleyes:


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Re: surface to air missile smuggling [Re: shakta]
    #1808738 - 08/13/03 11:25 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

It was predictable.


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Re: surface to air missile smuggling [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1808792 - 08/13/03 11:42 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

That's why the United States must be stopped.

Amen.

I suppose the ones the US sells only kill baddies who deserve it  :laugh:


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Re: surface to air missile smuggling [Re: Xlea321]
    #1808801 - 08/13/03 11:45 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

How about the original topic. Start a new thread if you want to discuss that please.


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Re: surface to air missile smuggling [Re: shakta]
    #1809128 - 08/13/03 01:42 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Is the guy who is selling the missile just for the money, as bad or worse than the terrorists?

It is the same topic.


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Re: surface to air missile smuggling [Re: shakta]
    #1809195 - 08/13/03 02:05 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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shakta said:
Knowingly selling it to terrorists is just as bad as pulling the trigger. He is reported to have told the undercover agent that it could be used to take down a plane. That means one thing. He had no problem selling it to someone who would use it to take down a civillian airliner. My point was that this guy is a total scumbag basically. :smile: 



Although I agree that this individial is a scumbag, it is a pretty big assuption to say that he knew it was going to be used on a civilian airliner only because he said it could bring down a plane.  The military has been known to use planes occasionally as well... :wink:


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Re: surface to air missile smuggling [Re: Rono]
    #1809214 - 08/13/03 02:13 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I disagree Rono. He thought he was selling it to a Muslim extremist type. If you are selling an illegal missile in the US to a terrorist type I think it is safe to assume that anyone would know that a civillian airliner would be the most likely target. Someone told me today that they heard he said "it could be used to take down a plane like Air Force 1." I have no idea if that is true or not though.


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Re: surface to air missile smuggling [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1809237 - 08/13/03 02:21 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

So let's get this "threat" straight. The CIA provide the weapon, ship it to the USA, then make a big propaganda news splash saying "Look what danger you're in".

If you take the CIA out of the equation what danger was there?  :confused:

Anyone smell something phoney?


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Re: surface to air missile smuggling [Re: shakta]
    #1809238 - 08/13/03 02:22 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

If that is what he said then it's obvious that he was referring to targetting a military target since AIR FORCE 1 is definitely NOT a civilian aircraft. It's really a moot point anyways...the guy is still a prick.


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Re: surface to air missile smuggling [Re: Rono]
    #1809256 - 08/13/03 02:26 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

True, True. I agree with that. Of course since none of them are part of a military that kind of makes it moot. I am just glad they caught them.


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Re: surface to air missile smuggling [Re: shakta]
    #1809257 - 08/13/03 02:26 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

It's not just as bad. An analogy: A illegal gun dealer sells a some dude a gun and says a gun can kill a person. Then that dude shoots 30 people. Do you think the mass murder dude and the gun dealer should recieve the same punishment?

I agree the guy is a scumbag and should be put in jail for a long time, but its no where near the level of killing 200 people by shooting a plane down.


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Re: surface to air missile smuggling [Re: Xlea321]
    #1809266 - 08/13/03 02:28 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Alex123 said:
So let's get this "threat" straight. The CIA provide the weapon, ship it to the USA, then make a big propaganda news splash saying "Look what danger you're in".

If you take the CIA out of the equation what danger was there?  :confused:

Anyone smell something phoney? 




The Russians actually provided the missile. This was a joint operation between Russia, US, and Britian. The Russians started the whole thing apparently when they learned the guy was asking around for this type of weapon. They passed that intel on to the US. There goes your little conspiracy theory. :rolleyes:


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Re: surface to air missile smuggling [Re: shakta]
    #1809276 - 08/13/03 02:31 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

The CIA asked them to provide it tho. I repeat, what threat was there? Some guy going round russia asking for a surface to air missiles?

Takes a helluva lot more than that to constitute a "threat" I'm afraid.

Makes a good news story tho.


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Re: surface to air missile smuggling [Re: Xlea321]
    #1809285 - 08/13/03 02:33 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, a guy going around asking for a missile he could smuggle to the US and sell to terrorists is a threat. Don't be a fucking retard Alex. You aren't that stupid. This guy is known for selling weapons to terrorist groups in the past. He is an illegal arms dealer, and he thought he was selling this missile to terrorists. How is that not a threat?


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