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Got raided n have a question
    #18073700 - 04/07/13 07:22 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

I was Raided in early march of this year by a state task force. This is in Illnois btw. They kicked the door down n put me in cuffs. They searchd my place n immediately found my grow room. They took 37 lasagna trays full of verm/rye grain substrate. Most were pinning sum weren't. They also took 7 or so mason jars full of myc. They seized maybe a little less than an ounce of caps. Sum roids n a tiny bit of weed. They took me down to the police station n asked me about the roids. told em I thought they were antihistamine pills. They didn't charge me with anything. They said it would take 3 to 6 months to have everything tested. So its been about a month so far n im saving up bond money. My question is will those trays test positive for psilocin after that many months? I would think not n Im pretty sure the jars will for sure. Any help is appreciated.Thanx

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Re: Got raided n have a question [Re: darealjoker]
    #18074249 - 04/07/13 09:26 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Nothing you can do but talk to a lawyer and wait.

IL is so far behind on lab work, if they didn't put a rush on the test it could literally be YEARS before they get around to it.

The GC/MS test is sensitive down to nanograms.  there will be more than enough in an old substrate to test positive.



So you didin't get charged with anything?  just arrested and released,  we'll call you later when the test comes back?

Cross your fingers and stay out of trouble.  You wouldn't be the first mushroom case from IL that just kind of dissappeared due to lack of attention.

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Re: Got raided n have a question [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #18074311 - 04/07/13 09:40 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Plead drug addiction, your busted for manufacture sch 1 CDS. (You only grew to support your drug habit), good lawyer can spin this for you and  will prol  get you Pre trial diversion or drug court. Court appointed lawyer your going away for awhile most likely. You didn't have any guns did you?  Why did you get raided in the first place, did you talk about your grow?

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Re: Got raided n have a question [Re: Icepic]
    #18074316 - 04/07/13 09:40 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Don't say shit BTW till you talk to an attorney

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Re: Got raided n have a question [Re: Icepic]
    #18074639 - 04/07/13 10:37 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

you could like, umm.. leave the state. If you really want to duke it out in court and the trap you could maybe accuse them of evidence tampering because the test results take so long to come back. but those caps are gonna be pretty solid evidence that you had psilocybin.

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Re: Got raided n have a question [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #18075588 - 04/08/13 07:23 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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Why did you get raided in the first place, did you talk about your grow?




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Re: Got raided n have a question [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #18075879 - 04/08/13 09:21 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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My question is will those trays test positive for psilocin after that many months?





Yes.  You should be saving up for a lawyer, and shopping around to find a good one with reasonable rates.




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you could like, umm.. leave the state.




That doesn't sound like a very good idea - A lifetime on the run to avoid 2 years or so on the inside.

I expect they'll charge OP with a class X felony and he'll be able to plea it down to 18 months or so.

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Re: Got raided n have a question [Re: Alan Rockefeller] * 2
    #18076395 - 04/08/13 11:52 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

UNless 2 years on the inside leads to your death or requires you to commit a crime (like defending yourself) that results in more prison time and you wind up getting caught up on 5-10 years of cumlative charges.


It is almost NEVER a good idea to report to prison.  You are risking your life and freedom.  Tell yourself if you want a story about how in X days you'll be doing X Y Z.  Tell yourself that story and see what happens.  When you walk into that box you have lost so many facets of control of the rest of your life.


You think you're above having 2-3 people threaten you with constructed knives?  You think people can't/won't threaten to kill you, and follow through on it, if you refuse to suck their dick, or get fucked in the ass, or run drugs, or murder/stab someone else?

Who is going to keep your safe while you're doing "2 years"?  Who are you going to cry to for help if you're being stabbed in the showers?


If you think it's a good idea to report to prison you don't understand the nature of prison.


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Re: Got raided n have a question [Re: Humility]
    #18078898 - 04/08/13 07:54 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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UNless 2 years on the inside leads to your death or requires you to commit a crime (like defending yourself) that results in more prison time and you wind up getting caught up on 5-10 years of cumlative charges.


It is almost NEVER a good idea to report to prison.  You are risking your life and freedom.  Tell yourself if you want a story about how in X days you'll be doing X Y Z.  Tell yourself that story and see what happens.  When you walk into that box you have lost so many facets of control of the rest of your life.


You think you're above having 2-3 people threaten you with constructed knives?  You think people can't/won't threaten to kill you, and follow through on it, if you refuse to suck their dick, or get fucked in the ass, or run drugs, or murder/stab someone else?

Who is going to keep your safe while you're doing "2 years"?  Who are you going to cry to for help if you're being stabbed in the showers?


If you think it's a good idea to report to prison you don't understand the nature of prison.








This is the reason I've always been afraid to go to prison. I've seen way too many prison movies, and every goddamned episode of Oz, and I'm just way too pretty for that kind of thing. :lol: I think I've always just understood, how in the wrong situation things really could get out of hand. As you said-- what if you have to defend yourself from attack using violence? What if people think you're an easy target? How much extra time does that add to your sentence? During which how much of a chance is there for EXTRA bullshit to happen...?


Now, if I were facing a few years or more, served in a particularly tough system (because I've heard some are way, WAY better than others) I might be tempted to run. But I can understand the other side of that argument too. What if it's only 2 years, and the jail they're sending you to isn't a particularly bad place-- but what if you run, and they add X years for running, and on top of that make you serve out your sentence in some really nasty federal shithole, instead of the county jail...?


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Re: Got raided n have a question [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #18078955 - 04/08/13 08:06 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

definitely a good idea to know where you're serving time.  Some places on the same security levels are downright COMFORTABLE compared to other places that are hellish.  Less people usually means better prison conditions.


There are definitely places I wouldn't mind doing 5 years.  There are prisons where you are permitted pretty much any reading materials you desire.  There are also places where "owning", more like possessing more than 1-2 rolls of toilet paper counts as contraband and you will have all sorts of privileges revoked for being "caught" with such.


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Re: Got raided n have a question [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #18078976 - 04/08/13 08:09 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Actually just detained at the police station while they served the search warrant. No charges files. Not sure how they got the search warrant. I thought as long as u don't sell out of ur house ur good. I think bonding out is more of a priorty than a paid attorney. I can dismiss the court appointed attorney at anytime. I did the DOC bootcamp almst 8 yrs ago for burglary. I also don't have any drug priors. Havent done shit since so Im eligible for probation. N the prisons are 17000 overcrowded and the state is broke so probation is probably gonna be offered eventually, just not the first offer Im sure.

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Re: Got raided n have a question [Re: Icepic]
    #18078983 - 04/08/13 08:11 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

No guns

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Re: Got raided n have a question [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #18078992 - 04/08/13 08:12 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

So it could take more than 6 months?

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Re: Got raided n have a question [Re: darealjoker]
    #18079051 - 04/08/13 08:23 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

They also seized my cell phones. I was told if I changed my number to contact them n tell em my new number which I did n left a message. The lead pig called me a week later. He reassured me it would be quite awhile until the shit comes back tested. I asked him what the highest class felony Im looking at n he said a class 1. When I get my discovery papers and if I bond out Ill be able post how they got the search warrant. I know it wasn't a garbage pull n I know it wasn't a controlled buy in the residence. So I really have no idea how they got the search warrant. Im hoping they fucked up on the probable cause. PPl are capable of beating cases all the time but they get scared n tell on themselves then take the first plea offered.

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Re: Got raided n have a question [Re: darealjoker]
    #18079150 - 04/08/13 08:45 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Impossible to say how long it takes.  anywhere from a few weeks to a few years.  they're seriously that fucked up.

There is one shroomery member busted a few years ago who simply never heard back from the pigs, arrested and questioned, threatened with class X felonies and 6 years in prison, never charged.  still waiting after 4 years.


I know two people with DUI cases in Illinois that took over a year to get blood tests back. one got dismissed because of the delay.

Save up some money.  Keep paperwork from legit jobs to prove bail money didn't come from dealing.



Did they seize anything besides a cell phone?  Car?

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Re: Got raided n have a question [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #18079181 - 04/08/13 08:50 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

The statue of limitations is up on that then since its been more than 3 yrs. They didn't search my car either. Nothin else seized. Whats that members name? Id like to c if he has any post

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Re: Got raided n have a question [Re: Icepic]
    #18079234 - 04/08/13 08:59 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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Don't say shit BTW till you talk to an attorney



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Why did you get raided in the first place, did you talk about your grow?






So, why did you get raided in the first place, did you talk about your grow?


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Re: Got raided n have a question [Re: ch1ck3n.s0up]
    #18079259 - 04/08/13 09:03 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

I mean the damage has already been done. ppl that get shit from me obviously know how im getting em. I never said ya I do this and that but ppl aren't that stupid. I only fucked with maybe 2 or 3 ppl on the regular. I already talked to a lawyer. N Im pretty sure Im safe to say what I need to on here if that's what ur getting at.

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Re: Got raided n have a question [Re: darealjoker]
    #18079460 - 04/08/13 09:43 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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I mean the damage has already been done. ppl that get shit from me obviously know how im getting em. I never said ya I do this and that but ppl aren't that stupid. I only fucked with maybe 2 or 3 ppl on the regular. I already talked to a lawyer. N Im pretty sure Im safe to say what I need to on here if that's what ur getting at.




Ya someone snitched on you.

- At what time did they kick in the door?
- Did they do a lot of damage to your place?


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Re: Got raided n have a question [Re: ch1ck3n.s0up]
    #18079559 - 04/08/13 10:08 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Im no lawyer, but something similar happened to a friend of mine....
Someone who knew him got busted with mere possession. He told the cops that my friend was growing mushrooms and Peyote. The cops got a warrant based on the snitches word. The snitch couldn't hide behind a Confidential Informant number though. When my buddy got his papers for the warrant, under CI it said the snitches name.
The same thing may have happened to you OP. Maybe one of your buddies snitched or maybe you buddies told others that you grew and they snitched on you.


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Re: Got raided n have a question [Re: LySergic D]
    #18079752 - 04/08/13 10:42 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Ive been looking into Illinois case law or at least trying to and im pretty sure the word of ci is only good if they've worked for the police before. Ive found cases where cops have lied about even having a CI. I cant just say oh so n so is doing this n have ur door kicked in. There has to be more than that. But maybe not cause really its of no consequence to the police if they get a conviction or not. It is pretty hard to compel the state to give up the CI name before trial. U definetly can find out during trial but that's scary

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Re: Got raided n have a question [Re: darealjoker]
    #18080622 - 04/09/13 06:36 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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I think bonding out is more of a priorty than a paid attorney.


This is absolutely true
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I can dismiss the court appointed attorney at anytime.


This isn't.

If you let the case go far enough, you're not going to be able to switch attorneys on the eve of trial.


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Re: Got raided n have a question [Re: Enlil]
    #18080860 - 04/09/13 08:46 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

On a knock/no-knock warrant, is there any value to stating that one does not consent to any searches?


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Re: Got raided n have a question [Re: ch1ck3n.s0up]
    #18080876 - 04/09/13 08:49 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Consenting makes the validity of the warrant irrelevant, so you never want to consent, even if they have a warrant and are going to search anyway.

Specifically saying, "I do not consent" is no more legally effective than simply keeping your mouth shut.


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Re: Got raided n have a question [Re: Humility]
    #18084577 - 04/09/13 10:13 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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UNless 2 years on the inside leads to your death or requires you to commit a crime (like defending yourself) that results in more prison time and you wind up getting caught up on 5-10 years of cumlative charges.


It is almost NEVER a good idea to report to prison.  You are risking your life and freedom.  Tell yourself if you want a story about how in X days you'll be doing X Y Z.  Tell yourself that story and see what happens.  When you walk into that box you have lost so many facets of control of the rest of your life.


You think you're above having 2-3 people threaten you with constructed knives?  You think people can't/won't threaten to kill you, and follow through on it, if you refuse to suck their dick, or get fucked in the ass, or run drugs, or murder/stab someone else?

Who is going to keep your safe while you're doing "2 years"?  Who are you going to cry to for help if you're being stabbed in the showers?


If you think it's a good idea to report to prison you don't understand the nature of prison.




LOL Illinois prisons aren't that bad. Don't run from it.
First offense? Class 1 Felony? Just buy a good ass lawyer - you won't be doing any hard time. I can recommend a firm if you're in the northern/northwest suburbs of Chicago.
If you're white, I would say lawyer > bail. Unless you're in Cook County. Fuck that jail.
I spent 10K on a lawyer instead of 10K on bail when I got raided, and got a Class X and Class 1 reduced to a Class 4. 103 days served, $3,000 fine, and 2 years probation (Keep in mind this was my 3rd drug arrest).

They tested some old jars I had laying around with dead, dehydrated mycelium (I think they were about 8 months old when they got tested) and they didn't come back as anything.

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Re: Got raided n have a question [Re: lovecheese]
    #18088089 - 04/10/13 04:45 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

What did u get charged with then if u don't mind me asking? I have 2 felonies for burglary that r 8 yrs old.

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Re: Got raided n have a question [Re: darealjoker]
    #18093917 - 04/11/13 07:38 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

possession of controlled substance and intent to deliver

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Re: Got raided n have a question [Re: Enlil]
    #18094038 - 04/11/13 07:58 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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Specifically saying, "I do not consent" is no more legally effective than simply keeping your mouth shut.





Why do you say that?  Are you speaking purely as a matter of law that neither are consents and therefore neither grant the police cause to search?

This is probably misleading if its what you're saying, because the prosecutor will often argue consent is inferred, and if the police lie about the initiation of the search, its usually going to be a little lie rather than outright making up an explicit consent.  Things like he handed over the keys voluntarily to the officer, he was not in handcuffs and was interacting with the officers, et cet.  Does stuff like this ever get a search ruled voluntarily without explicit approval?

Seems your always better to say explicitly "I don't consent".

Around here the cops will just walk into your place if its unlocked and claim there was an open door party going on and based on their experience, the owner allowed anyone to just come on in at those types of partys.  In such a case, telling the cop "I don't consent to any search, leave my property" is probably very useful.  If that happens quickly enough, they're very limited in the probable cause they can claim to have obtained.

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Re: Got raided n have a question [Re: johnm214]
    #18095806 - 04/12/13 04:37 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Silence is not enough to imply consent. See United State v. Gonzalez, 71 F.3d 819.  See also Roe v. Texas Dept. of Protective and Regulatory Services, 299 F.3d 395.

If you're a robot, saying "I do not consent to any search today" over and over is probably the most effective way to preclude a claim of consent...but that's not how these things go down in the real world.  In the real world, cops know how to work people.  They keep the subject talking until he equivocates in a way that could be taken as consent...and then they claim consent.

So yes, a person who ONLY repeats the mantra "I do not consent" over and over is probably the easiest situation in court when fighting a claim of consent....but I've never seen that situation or heard of one in real life.

The person who says "I do not consent" and then keeps talking is MUCH, MUCH harder to deal with in court because of the little lies/misunderstandings that can occur (and cops know this and do it intentionally)

The middle ground is silence.  Silence can never infer consent by itself.  Sure, if the subject opens the door and motions for them to walk in, that's consent...but that's consent even if he says "I do not consent" at the same time. 

So given the three choices, and knowing human/cop nature...I always tell clients to just keep the mouth shut.  I don't know a single person IRL who has the fortitude to mantra "I do not consent" in the face of police coercion.  I'd imagine this is even more difficult when impaired.


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Re: Got raided n have a question [Re: Enlil]
    #18100385 - 04/12/13 11:39 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

We need an app for that.
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So given the three choices, and knowing human/cop nature...I always tell clients to just keep the mouth shut.  I don't know a single person IRL who has the fortitude to mantra "I do not consent" in the face of police coercion.  I'd imagine this is even more difficult when impaired.



I'm going to write an app that just says, over and over, "I do not consent."

Then when The Man asks me to step up, I can just whip out my phone, start the app, and let it do its job. :tongue2:


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Re: Got raided n have a question [Re: ch1ck3n.s0up]
    #18109580 - 04/14/13 06:38 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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That doesn't sound like a very good idea - A lifetime on the run to avoid 2 years or so on the inside.




I disagree.  Leaving the state is not a lifetime on the run.  It's not even considered running and you won't get any extra time for it.

Leave the state and if they do press charges you will at some point have a warrant out for your arrest.  This is not "being on the run" it's just an open warrant for something you haven't been convicted of.  Since there's no bond it's not bail jumping or fleeing or anything like that.

I know a couple people that have done this just fine.  Chances are that the warrant will be non-extraditable, meaning that your home state doesn't want to spend the money to import a criminal like you back into their state.

This happens all the time, and as long as you never set foot in your home state again you'll never have to face the music.  Considering they have budget and overcrowding problems then I think it's highly likely you would get a non-extraditable warrant issued.

OTOH you're a two time felon.  This would make your third strike, and you're quite likely to do a nickel or better in the joint.


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    #18109815 - 04/14/13 07:23 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

I know someone currently living outside of a state that he was facing felony charges in.  He has been arrested since then in another state and the state in which he committed his felony (the original state) was told of his apprehension and declined to pay the costs associated with having him extradited.  Apparently if he's greater than 300 miles away from the state they have no interest in having him sent there.


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    #18110613 - 04/14/13 09:59 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

That's exactly what I'm talking about.  The cops will detain you because they will see the warrant, but after a bit of digging they will let you go.  The first time it may take an hour or two, but after that your warrant will be flagged in their database as non-extraditable.

You don't hear about this much because everyone likes to act like they're really tough on crime.  But in the end it just doesn't make sense to pay thousands to import a criminal, then many more thousands to jail him, then have the criminal be turned loose penniless on your streets.

It's way cheaper, easier, and better all around to just tell the criminal he better not set foot in your state again.

Remember also that this will just be a warrant to face the charges, it won't be like you're a convicted felon on the run.


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Re: Got raided n have a question [Re: fastfred]
    #18114008 - 04/15/13 04:49 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

I disagree on the time. I have no drug priors nor have had any felonies in 8 or so yrs. Illinois has an incentive for counties that don't send ppl to the state.

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I disagree.  Leaving the state is not a lifetime on the run.  It's not even considered running and you won't get any extra time for it.

Leave the state and if they do press charges you will at some point have a warrant out for your arrest.  This is not "being on the run" it's just an open warrant for something you haven't been convicted of.  Since there's no bond it's not bail jumping or fleeing or anything like that.

I know a couple people that have done this just fine.  Chances are that the warrant will be non-extraditable, meaning that your home state doesn't want to spend the money to import a criminal like you back into their state.

This happens all the time, and as long as you never set foot in your home state again you'll never have to face the music.  Considering they have budget and overcrowding problems then I think it's highly likely you would get a non-extraditable warrant issued.

OTOH you're a two time felon.  This would make your third strike, and you're quite likely to do a nickel or better in the joint.





I agree that if things are getting hot but you haven't been arrested yet, it's a good time to leave the state. 

I don't know much about extradition between states, but some people slip through the cracks and others don't.  Seems kind of random.

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    #18114161 - 04/15/13 05:26 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

i'm sure every state/county is different, but i can tell you this:

my bf did some dumb credit card fraud shit when he was like 19 and got indicted for it (rural uptight county in ohio).
he fled the state to california.  a few months later, he was pulled over on a traffic stop, the calif. cop saw the outstanding warrant and took him to LA County Jail.  they told him in there they were going to hold him for 90 days.  if the ohio county where the warrant was out of didn't come and get him in 90 days, they would just let him go.  ohio came and got him on day 89 :lol:  he then got on that interstate transit bus and got a national tour of many federal prisons where they stopped at to sleep along the way and pick up other prisoners for transport.  it took him over two months to get back to ohio!  which they didn't include as time in custody and time served later on, which is bullshit.  the warrant was for one count of credit card fraud, it was only a fifth-degree felony and they extradited him for that :frown:

if I was facing some serious time, like some 3rd strike bullshit, i'd probably say fuck it and run however.  :shrug:

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    #18116000 - 04/15/13 10:43 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, it can go down all different ways.  Getting a non-extraditable warrant is more or less standard procedure for some crimes, I wouldn't call it "slipping through the cracks" though, just an alternate form of punishment.

I imagine they consider a lot of things when deciding how bad they want you.  If you have victims, or seem like you'd be a danger wherever you go... they'll probably want you.  A small-time general sort of fuck-up type would probably have the best odds.

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Think how much money they spent to import a common criminal from the other side of the country!  They had to pay an 89 day bill to LA, two months of travel expenses/charges to the transportation company, and two months worth of nights to every podunk jail or prison along the way.  I figure that's 7 months worth of bills!

Now they have to pay to keep him locked up plus probation/treatment, and they have one more petty criminal to deal with in their state.

I can't really see how it would hurt to take off.  If they issue an extraditable warrant and eventually pick you up it's treated the same as your initial arrest on the charge.  Warrants issue all the time, and nobody really expects people to know they have a warrant or turn themselves in even if they did.  Your first clue that you have a warrant is usually the cop who arrests you.

OTOH if you leave you will have time to figure things out.  You may find the warrant is non-extraditable, and cops usually have no problem telling you this if you're long gone.  They love to rub it in that you better never show your face in their jurisdiction.

But say you find that the warrant is extraditable... I say that is also good.  You can contact the prosecutor and tell them you're voluntarily returning, then show up whenever to face the music.  At your bond hearing you have a good shot at getting ORed (released for free).  When they see you traveled a thousand miles to show up the judge isn't going to think you're a flight risk.

It's always better to turn yourself in on your own terms.  For example, Tuesday morning is WAY better than Friday night since you can see the judge right away for a bail hearing.  That avoids the worst part of jail.  I'd take a week in the can knowing my release date vs. 3 days in the can not knowing when or if I would get out.

Any time you choose your jail time it's a million times better.  You have lawyer, bail, phone numbers, etc. ready and you don't have to worry.  You can have someone come slap a c-note on your books right away and you'll be set for your stay.


I once fled my state.  Cops had my place surrounded and taped off.  They even brought up a semi truck with space suit guys to seize all my stuff.  I thought for sure something would get me in trouble.  There was certainly plenty of minor charges/tickets to be had there.

When I got a good 2k miles away I settled down a bit, and a few days later I called the detective in charge.  He told me they were having everything tested and asked me a bunch of questions.  I explained everything away, although I probably should have said nothing.  He asked my why I left the state and I told him I was moving out anyways when this happened.  I also told him I didn't feel like sitting in jail for months while they tested everything.  He laughed about that and said he didn't blame me.  Nothing more came of it.  Later I asked him if I could have my glassware back.  He told me, "Sure, come on down to the police department anytime."

I eventually decided that, charges or not, that would be a really bad idea.  Walking into the PD and saying, "Can I please have my scale size clandestine laboratory equipment and chemicals back?" would not have been too bright.


Another time the cop secretary or dispatcher called me.  She said that they had a new program to allow people to turn themselves in rather than be arrested in front of family and friends.  My name had come up with a bench warrant for unpaid fines.

I said fine, I'll turn myself in to the PD at 10am the following day.  Apparently that wasn't good enough.  I asked how long before the cops came if I did nothing, she told me "minutes".  I pleaded with her to give me time to call around for bail money, explaining I had an O-Chem final at 8am.  Again I pleaded to let me turn myself in tomorrow morning.  Either she was a total bitch or the rules of that "new program" sucked ass.

Anyways, I figured the cops were probably already outside or close.  So I grabbed my books and went out the back window.  Sure enough the cops showed up not long after I left.  I studied all night at the library, passed my test, and went home.  I never bothered to take care of my problem (a mistake), and about a week later the cops showed up and arrested me.  The lesson to the wise is to take care of your shit, or at least be prepared for your jail stay.  But always try to turn yourself in on your own terms.


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    #18219348 - 05/05/13 07:29 PM (11 years, 16 days ago)

I went to workout the other day n my buddy comes up to me n tells me this girl that he went to school with asked him about me. She also asked him if I knew she was a cop. n said that they were trying to set something up n asked if hed be willing to work with them n that it pays 300. She just became a cop so I know shes no detective. A little strange for a beat cop. This all happened at the gym. Then I called my other buddy n told him about it. He said that about a week ago he was at intake because he was getting his probation transferred to the county we reside in. He said he got asked about me n how close of friends we r. Also who I hang out with n if Im growing anything right now. Im wondering if they screwed up on the search warrant or something n they trying to put another case on me. Or if they r just salty Im out walking around right now. What do u guys think?

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Re: Got raided n have a question [Re: darealjoker]
    #18219619 - 05/05/13 08:31 PM (11 years, 16 days ago)

Most people go straight back to their old games, so it's not surprising they will try to catch you again.

Have some fun and feed them fake info and take them on a wild goose chase.

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I went to workout the other day n my buddy comes up to me n tells me this girl that he went to school with asked him about me. She also asked him if I knew she was a cop. n said that they were trying to set something up n asked if hed be willing to work with them n that it pays 300. She just became a cop so I know shes no detective. A little strange for a beat cop. This all happened at the gym. Then I called my other buddy n told him about it. He said that about a week ago he was at intake because he was getting his probation transferred to the county we reside in. He said he got asked about me n how close of friends we r. Also who I hang out with n if Im growing anything right now. Im wondering if they screwed up on the search warrant or something n they trying to put another case on me. Or if they r just salty Im out walking around right now. What do u guys think?






No telling what their motives are. They might just be trying to collect more evidence to nail you with, or it could be what you said. From what I've seen and understand, unless they have some pretty damning evidence, and probably sometimes even if they do, they like to get as much dirt on you as possible to ensure the conviction.

I would just lay low and be real careful, if I were you. Would not make me feel all warm and cozy knowing the police were that actively on my ass...


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    #18222366 - 05/06/13 01:12 PM (11 years, 15 days ago)

Pull a Barry cooper and grow edibles or tomatoe plants....then sue the shit out of them for unlawful search and seizure....

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Pull a Barry cooper and grow edibles or tomatoe plants....then sue the shit out of them for unlawful search and seizure....




You can't sue them unless they knew you were only growing edibles and tomatoes, and searched you anyway.

If they thought you were breaking the law they are immune from lawsuits.

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    #18223363 - 05/06/13 04:54 PM (11 years, 15 days ago)

That may be possible in this case I believe. Tell a friend that next time they ask tell them he is growing tomatoes or shiitake mushrooms with a huge grin on his face.

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    #18223371 - 05/06/13 04:55 PM (11 years, 15 days ago)

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If they thought you were breaking the law they are immune from lawsuits.



That's an oversimplification of the doctrine of qualified immunity.

They are immune UNLESS their conduct was in violation of "clearly established law." 
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    #18360982 - 06/03/13 01:58 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Im up late reading random shit on google and I find this article about all these residents in Oakland, California who had search warrants wrongfully served because the cops had lied to get the warrants. Then I seen this statement which sparks my interest " sometimes the drugs obtained from informants were never tested--something required to get the warrant." Is that the same for Illinois? Im not in jail only cause they didn't have a field test for anything and I didn't tell on myself. So obviously they didn't have it tested before the warrant was served. What do u think? thanx for all the advice

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I was Raided in early march of this year by a state task force. This is in Illnois btw. They kicked the door down n put me in cuffs. They searchd my place n immediately found my grow room. They took 37 lasagna trays full of verm/rye grain substrate. Most were pinning sum weren't. They also took 7 or so mason jars full of myc. They seized maybe a little less than an ounce of caps. Sum roids n a tiny bit of weed. They took me down to the police station n asked me about the roids. told em I thought they were antihistamine pills. They didn't charge me with anything. They said it would take 3 to 6 months to have everything tested. So its been about a month so far n im saving up bond money. My question is will those trays test positive for psilocin after that many months? I would think not n Im pretty sure the jars will for sure. Any help is appreciated.Thanx



If you haven't been charged yet I think you have the option of leaving the country. The statute of limitations on these things is usually 7 years. If you could live abroad for that long I think you could avoid any prison. Do you have any friends or family in foreign lands that can put you up until you get a job there?

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    #18361100 - 06/03/13 02:42 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

im not moving out of the country that's retarded

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im not moving out of the country that's retarded



OK just trying to help. I just don't see whats so great about this one. It's going to lock you away over a frickin mushroom. I'm gonna leave america the first chance I get and I'm not facing any charges. But whatever makes you happy. bye.

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    #18361806 - 06/03/13 09:42 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

If you have not been charged.


why are you worrying?

sounds like you are torturing yourself.....live in the moment....:nodofunderstanding:

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If you haven't been charged yet I think you have the option of leaving the country. The statute of limitations on these things is usually 7 years.



Statute of limitations is tolled when one is outside of the jurisdiction.  In addition, once he is charged, it is tolled indefinitely until he is tried for the crime.


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I was Raided in early march of this year by a state task force. This is in Illnois btw. They kicked the door down n put me in cuffs. They searchd my place n immediately found my grow room. They took 37 lasagna trays full of verm/rye grain substrate. Most were pinning sum weren't. They also took 7 or so mason jars full of myc. They seized maybe a little less than an ounce of caps. Sum roids n a tiny bit of weed. They took me down to the police station n asked me about the roids. told em I thought they were antihistamine pills. They didn't charge me with anything. They said it would take 3 to 6 months to have everything tested. So its been about a month so far n im saving up bond money. My question is will those trays test positive for psilocin after that many months? I would think not n Im pretty sure the jars will for sure. Any help is appreciated.Thanx



If you haven't been charged yet I think you have the option of leaving the country. The statute of limitations on these things is usually 7 years. If you could live abroad for that long I think you could avoid any prison. Do you have any friends or family in foreign lands that can put you up until you get a job there?





That doesn't work- the statute of limitations always (so far that I've seen) require charges to be brought in a certain period of time, not convictions obtained.  It doesn't matter when they actually get you to try your case, you can be under indictment forever while your hiding out in a foreign country and your still not getting out of it except through witnesses forgetting what they saw, evidence being lost, et cet.

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I was Raided in early march of this year by a state task force. This is in Illnois btw. They kicked the door down n put me in cuffs. They searchd my place n immediately found my grow room. They took 37 lasagna trays full of verm/rye grain substrate. Most were pinning sum weren't. They also took 7 or so mason jars full of myc. They seized maybe a little less than an ounce of caps. Sum roids n a tiny bit of weed. They took me down to the police station n asked me about the roids. told em I thought they were antihistamine pills. They didn't charge me with anything. They said it would take 3 to 6 months to have everything tested. So its been about a month so far n im saving up bond money. My question is will those trays test positive for psilocin after that many months? I would think not n Im pretty sure the jars will for sure. Any help is appreciated.Thanx



If you haven't been charged yet I think you have the option of leaving the country. The statute of limitations on these things is usually 7 years. If you could live abroad for that long I think you could avoid any prison. Do you have any friends or family in foreign lands that can put you up until you get a job there?





That doesn't work- the statute of limitations always (so far that I've seen) require charges to be brought in a certain period of time, not convictions obtained.  It doesn't matter when they actually get you to try your case, you can be under indictment forever while your hiding out in a foreign country and your still not getting out of it except through witnesses forgetting what they saw, evidence being lost, et cet.



You have taught me something I didn't know. What would you consider a reasonable amount of time for a drug case like this? Its certainly not homicide where they'd actively do their best to track you down forever.  Do you think ten years might be enough for them to lose interest and throw away the evidence and close the case? Seven years, et cet?

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    #18366224 - 06/04/13 05:42 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Really depends on the officers involved, and the storage capacity of the evidence room.

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I was Raided in early march of this year by a state task force. This is in Illnois btw. They kicked the door down n put me in cuffs. They searchd my place n immediately found my grow room. They took 37 lasagna trays full of verm/rye grain substrate. Most were pinning sum weren't. They also took 7 or so mason jars full of myc. They seized maybe a little less than an ounce of caps. Sum roids n a tiny bit of weed. They took me down to the police station n asked me about the roids. told em I thought they were antihistamine pills. They didn't charge me with anything. They said it would take 3 to 6 months to have everything tested. So its been about a month so far n im saving up bond money. My question is will those trays test positive for psilocin after that many months? I would think not n Im pretty sure the jars will for sure. Any help is appreciated.Thanx



If you haven't been charged yet I think you have the option of leaving the country. The statute of limitations on these things is usually 7 years. If you could live abroad for that long I think you could avoid any prison. Do you have any friends or family in foreign lands that can put you up until you get a job there?





That doesn't work- the statute of limitations always (so far that I've seen) require charges to be brought in a certain period of time, not convictions obtained.  It doesn't matter when they actually get you to try your case, you can be under indictment forever while your hiding out in a foreign country and your still not getting out of it except through witnesses forgetting what they saw, evidence being lost, et cet.



You have taught me something I didn't know. What would you consider a reasonable amount of time for a drug case like this? Its certainly not homicide where they'd actively do their best to track you down forever.  Do you think ten years might be enough for them to lose interest and throw away the evidence and close the case? Seven years, et cet?




I have no idea.  A competent police agency/crime lab would keep the evidence indefinatly if the person is under indictment so they can prosecute if/when they are captured.  The gov't isn't always competent though.

A big problem with a drug case would be that likely the only evidence needed would be a report of an analysis by a qualified chemist and their testimony.  This isn't the kind of evidence that is easily discarded-= you can just keep the chemist's report in some file forever without undue burden. 

Most cases of evidence spoilation I've seen involve physical objects that can more easily be misplaced.  Especially now with computer, they can pull up the report years later even if the original file was trashed.

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Re: Got raided n have a question [Re: johnm214]
    #18367391 - 06/04/13 12:24 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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A big problem with a drug case would be that likely the only evidence needed would be a report of an analysis by a qualified chemist and their testimony.  This isn't the kind of evidence that is easily discarded-= you can just keep the chemist's report in some file forever without undue burden.



Thing is though you have the right to confront your accuser. Without the witness who conducted the analysis the analysis might as well not exist because it'll be excluded.

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    #18367484 - 06/04/13 12:52 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

More importantly, the state has to prove that you were in possession of the tested material.  They also have to prove chain of custody which got it to the lab.  People do occasionally die and are unable to provide testimony for such things.

Having said that, waiting out the charges is patently stupid.


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    #18367542 - 06/04/13 01:08 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Well I don't know much about state law or anything like that however I did want to chime in about a few things. I got dope for a friend of a friend who ended up overdosing and after I helped get him in the car he wasn't taking to the hospital right away and ended up passing away.. Anyways I was like you arrested then let go while they were investigating. Eventually after like 3-4 months I was arrested, I didn't try and leave state or anything. Originally I was charged with delivery of heroin causing death which was a 10-20 minimum and a maximum of life. I ended up pleading down to 3 years for Delivery of heroin and attempted manslaughter. Anyways my point is it would probably be kinda stupid to run. I ended up at a minimum security prison which wasn't bad at all. Prison sounds horrible but its really not that bad. My case is probably far worse then yours so I could see you getting away with some county time and probation. I would just deal with your charges when they come and not leave the state.

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    #18367648 - 06/04/13 01:35 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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Having said that, waiting out the charges is patently stupid.



Why? The only downside is someone like you won't get paid isn't it? It seems like a win win win to me. Are you really so greedy you think its better for someone like op to rot in prison so you can make a thousand or two dollars off the case?

win 1. Defendant may not rot in the can

win 2. State won't pay for courts or attorneys or for the defendant to rot in the can.

win 3. defending attorney and legal profession won't get paid either.

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    #18367694 - 06/04/13 01:45 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

You missed out on the price he would pay.  Specifically, you neglect to mention that he'd be living on the run in a strange land, having to leave everyone he knows and loves behind for an indefinite period of time.

Prison sucks.  Jail sucks even worse.  Being on the run may or may not be as bad as either, but when you weigh a lifetime on the run against a few months or years in the can, the choice seems pretty obvious to me.


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    #18367884 - 06/04/13 02:24 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

The simple conviction of a felony comes with a lifetime of second class citizenship in America. America isn't that great of a country anyway and you can be a happy person anywhere. To some, it would be well worth it, to leave an oppressive country and find liberty somewhere else. To others, I can see your point, that it may not be a good trade. I think its a personal choice and probably depends a lot on whether you are fond of America or not. Depending on how slow IL is to indict there may even be time to get a permanent resident visa somewhere and really live a regular life.

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    #18367928 - 06/04/13 02:34 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

If a "regular life" to you means living in a non-extradition country and never traveling outside of it, sure.  Otherwise, you always have to assume that your life could be put into turmoil at any time.  It's not likely, but certainly possible.

Whatever social stigma attaches to a felony conviction, it certainly isn't worse than the stigma of being a fugitive. 

There are plenty of circumstances where I would skip town, but a state drug charge certainly isn't one of them.  In the U.S., you can be mayor of DC with a drug conviction.


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Re: Got raided n have a question [Re: Enlil]
    #18368512 - 06/04/13 04:41 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

so they arrested you took samples, but didnt charge you and then released you?

No wonder real criminals get away with so much.


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    #18368995 - 06/04/13 06:26 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

yes. But I really wanna how they got the probable cause even if they got me on a delivery they didn't have shit tested so wtf?

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    #18371079 - 06/05/13 02:35 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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If a "regular life" to you means living in a non-extradition country and never traveling outside of it, sure.  Otherwise, you always have to assume that your life could be put into turmoil at any time.  It's not likely, but certainly possible.

Whatever social stigma attaches to a felony conviction, it certainly isn't worse than the stigma of being a fugitive. 

There are plenty of circumstances where I would skip town, but a state drug charge certainly isn't one of them.  In the U.S., you can be mayor of DC with a drug conviction.



I know a guy who spent the entire decade of the 1980s in prison on a state drug charge. They can be more serious than murder or rape.

And warrants aren't just automatically forwarded to Interpol. Ther'd be no need to live in a non extradition country unless it got back to authorities that you skipped America. You could live in a nice western country so long as your visa was even processed before IL got back to you with an indictment.

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