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 Metatron
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 Heating caused death of cake plus smell. Is it safe? 
#1807284 - 08/12/03 08:14 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey folks just a quick question.
I was trying to get a brf cake to finish colonizing after 14 weeks in the jar. It had about a quarter sized patch on the bottom and had been inverted for about 2 weeks to allow for CO2 transfer. Four pins had turned into mushrooms about two inches long inside the jar and I wanted to finish things faster so I tried to bring the temp up from the air conditioned 72 in my room. I came back after a party and the heating blanket was really really hot. I took the cake out and it was hot to the touch and all the mushies inside had turned blue/black. It also had a terrible smell unlike anything I have ever smelled before. I let it cool off for a day to see if it would start growing again but the edges of mycelial growth at the bottom had turned a light brown color. 
After that day, I took it out of the jar, removed the blue/black mushies and broke it up into some cranberry juice. The juice sat for two days and smells strongly of that vile cake smell but doesnt taste too bad. Is it safe to consume? What caused that smell? I'm guessing the overheating of mycelium caused it to break down and release a nasty odor but it only appeared when I overheated the cake. Any help for a first time grower is greatly appreciated.
Metatron
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 LiL_KuSsH
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 Re: Heating caused death of cake plus smell. Is it safe? [Re: LiL_KuSsH]
#1807475 - 08/12/03 09:04 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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I second the motion.....
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LiL_KuSsH
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#1807485 - 08/12/03 09:07 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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shakta
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Re: Heating caused death of cake plus smell. Is it safe? [Re: Metatron]
#1807491 - 08/12/03 09:10 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Through it out and run away! If it smells bad, it is.
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Metatron
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Re: Heating caused death of cake plus smell. Is it safe? [Re: shakta]
#1807514 - 08/12/03 09:18 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey guys.
All of my cakes have taken this long. My first birth was a half pint cake that took 12 weeks. I want to know if the long time was just a factor of the 72 degree temperature. All my cakes took this long. Two are still colonizing from the first week of june. They are 1 pint jars. I followed the MMGG exactly and threw out the jars that got contaminated. I'm not sure how the jar would have gotten contaminated from the heat. It smelled fine up until it overheated. Is there any way to make this whole process happen in less time? 14/15 weeks is a long time I think and I dont really want to totally lose the cake.
So you're all pretty sure it's bad??? Shucks
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Ravinoff
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Re: Heating caused death of cake plus smell. Is it safe? [Re: Metatron]
#1807784 - 08/12/03 10:19 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's bad! chuck it... and go read the damn faqs!!!!
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LiL_KuSsH
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DatDaNK420
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Registered: 06/23/03
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Re: Heating caused death of cake plus smell. Is it safe? [Re: LiL_KuSsH]
#1807970 - 08/12/03 11:37 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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PPPFFFTTTTTTT............HAHAHAHAHA.....14 weeks.......HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Took me 2 weeks dman what you running a mold farm? HAHAHAHAHA
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OJK
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Registered: 06/08/03
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Re: Heating caused death of cake plus smell. Is it safe? [Re: DatDaNK420]
#1808415 - 08/13/03 05:05 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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If it's taking that long then something is wrong 
I would guess that you packed your substrate down too firmly (it should be light and fluffy with lots of air pockets) or you got the water balance wrong.
good luck
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Psilocybin_monkey
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Re: Heating caused death of cake plus smell. Is it safe? [Re: LiL_KuSsH]
#1808562 - 08/13/03 07:54 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
LiL_KuSsH said:
"14 weeks "
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R U KIDDING? that thing is contamed like a mo fo bro. either that or u didnt take the tape off of the jars.
DO NOT DRINK THE JUICE!
Sounds very very bad dude. u can get majorly sick!
^^^ I agree 3
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shakta
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Re: Heating caused death of cake plus smell. Is it safe? [Re: Metatron]
#1808567 - 08/13/03 07:57 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Alright, this can help you decide if you want to eat it. Imagine tripping while your body evacuates all the liquid it can out of both ends at the same time. Food poisoning sucks big time.
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MrSleep
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Re: Heating caused death of cake plus smell. Is it safe? [Re: shakta]
#1808573 - 08/13/03 08:00 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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I agree with Kussh. Do not drink that shit.
-Mr.Sleep
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Magash
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Re: Heating caused death of cake plus smell. Is it safe? [Re: Metatron]
#1808892 - 08/13/03 10:18 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Grow Log
Tek : PF
Strain : South American [SA]
Spores : Came from homemade prints. 36 total jars to be injected.
Substrate :Brown Rice Flour [BRF] and Vermiculite [Verm]
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10:15 PM 3/4/03 : Project is started. Jar prep is just putting small holes in the lids for the spore syringe and then taping them closed until inoculation. Tape used is the standard black electrical tape. First batch of jars is mixed. The mix used is 2 parts verm, 1 part water, and 1 part brf. [ This mix is the max fruiting formula by PF.] Mix is put into 1/2 pint canning jars lightly, not packed in, and left it airy. Put substrate in until it reaches the threads of the jar, then add dry verm the rest of the way.
Jars are PCd at 10psi or 240f for a period of 45 minutes. Then jars were left to sit overnight to cool.
8:39 PM 3/5/2003 : First batch of jars injected. (24 jars)
10:04 AM 3/6/2003 : Incubator is running to low 77F. Going to turn it up today.
5:45 PM 3/6/2003 : Second batch of jars is in the PC will be injected tomorrow. Turned up incubator runs at 83F. 86F is the best and if the incubator is 83F and myc growing in the jars is suppose to create a little heat I figure this should work out well.
1:11 PM 3/7/2003 : Second batch of jars is done. (12 jars)
12:10 PM 3/9/2003 : Jars are doing good, no signs of contams
2:54 AM 3/19/2003 : Tape removed from the holes today and coffee filters put over the top of the jars for added protection. Holes were opened so the CO2 in the jars could escape. I gave 12 jars to a friend who kept fucking up. 24 jar?s about 75%done.
12:13 PM 3/22/2003 : Well it's Saturday and the jars will probably be done by the 25th. So it was 36 jars. 12 were given to a friend, 24 done by Tuesday.
10:26 PM 3/23/2003 : 15 jars were done enough to put into dunk. I dunk and cold shock before birthing and after every flush. The other 9 jars have a spot the size of a pea that has to be covered so I'll do those on the 25th.
7:17 PM 3/24/2003 : 15 jars put into the pod. Put in and put a layer of moist verm on top. With geolite I just put the cakes on it. With some other chambers I put the cake on a lid filled with verm. This is done to give the shrooms on the bottom and the top of the cake some added moisture.
The other 9 jars just finished so I'm going to give them a couple more days to make sure the middle of the cake is done.
4:57 PM 3/27/2003 : 5 More cakes birthed today, 4 left going to do them tomorrow or 3/29/2003
3:58 PM 3/29/2003 : Well I lost another cake. My wife's little 1 cake pod made from a 2 liter and a small fish pump and a little geolite used up her last cake so I gave her a SA to grow. The last 3 are in the cold shock dunk.
So the total is 36 jars done all colonized with no contams. 12 given to a friend, 1 to the wife, 23 mine
12:08 PM 3/30/2003 : Last of jars put in
12:02 PM 3/31/2003 : The first 15 cakes are pinning nicely and some have shrooms coming from the bottom.
11:01 AM 4/3/2003 : Things look to be going well.
1:02 AM 4/4/2003 : Took the first flush from four of the cakes. More will be done later today.
5/8/2003 : Total 23 cakes 164 grams dried.
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floridaboi101
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Re: Heating caused death of cake plus smell. Is it safe? [Re: shakta]
#1808893 - 08/13/03 10:19 AM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
shakta said:
Alright, this can help you decide if you want to eat it. Imagine tripping while your body evacuates all the liquid it can out of both ends at the same time. Food poisoning sucks big time.
*GAGSQIRT* *GAGSQUIRT*
not soundin like a good time to me 
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Ravinoff
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Re: Heating caused death of cake plus smell. Is it safe? [Re: floridaboi101]
#1809220 - 08/13/03 12:16 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Come on Magash, you've been riding off those pictures for like a year.
Although incredibly impressive, once you've seen 'em fifteen hundred times, it gets kinda boring
No disrespect to you man, but enough
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Semilanceata
No god, no boss
Registered: 05/26/03
Posts: 841
Loc: República Federal Íbera
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Re: Heating caused death of cake plus smell. Is it safe? [Re: Ravinoff]
#1809262 - 08/13/03 12:28 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Man, he is helping a lot people, keep cool.
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Semilanceata
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Re: Heating caused death of cake plus smell. Is it safe? [Re: Semilanceata]
#1809281 - 08/13/03 12:32 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sorry, I mean " a lot of people"
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shakta
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Re: Heating caused death of cake plus smell. Is it safe? [Re: Ravinoff]
#1809319 - 08/13/03 12:43 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why are you such an ass so much? Magash is one of the most helpful members on this forum. You have gone from a newbie that attacked everyone trying to help you to a snob know it all in two weeks flat.
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Ravinoff
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Re: Heating caused death of cake plus smell. Is it safe? [Re: shakta]
#1809352 - 08/13/03 12:50 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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haha, it's just my nature - im too damn impatient, and I appologize for this sever character defect
actually I was just trying to trick magash into posting more of his beautiful pictures
they definitly should create an art museum with collections of shroom/weed pictures
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shakta
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Re: Heating caused death of cake plus smell. Is it safe? [Re: Ravinoff]
#1809386 - 08/13/03 12:57 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ah, I see. If he is indeed a retired grower, that may be difficult. I wish my friend's iguanas poop could grow something that looked like his.
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Semilanceata
No god, no boss
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Re: Heating caused death of cake plus smell. Is it safe? [Re: Ravinoff]
#1809394 - 08/13/03 12:58 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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To rectify is wise.
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BeppoMarx
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Re: Heating caused death of cake plus smell. Is it safe? [Re: Semilanceata]
#1809531 - 08/13/03 01:25 PM (21 years, 1 month ago) |
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ok 14 weeks is longer than i would think the mycellium can survive off of what nutrients are available but i guess if it doesnt fruit it may not metabolize very much...
my first batch of jars i ever did colonized at very fluctuating temperatures, from like 60-90 degress under my friends porch outdoors lol. after about a month and a half i had like dime to quarter sized mycellium spots at the innoc points. after 2 months they didnt get any bigger so i actually tried to take just the small chunks out it and spawn some straw and case it. allw as going good and i saw 'mycellium' poking through the straigh verm layer so i kept misting and lighting it. but no pins!!! after about 2 weeks of nothing i finally figured out that i had grown a batch of cobweb mold and smalled nasty.
point of teh matter is after 8 weeks the mycellium was still alive, white and resilliant, it just could not spread out and thrive like it wants to. had i actually sterilized umm... anything in the casing  i bet it would have grown. point is that the temperature is a big factor and ive seen people constantly take 6-8weeks to colonize jars just sitting on their shelf in their room. if you PC properly EVERYTHING is killed and using (what i used to use) micron-magick filter disks MMFD they were called, along with 4-punched lids its almost impossible to contaminate after injecting spores. the mycellium will not die that is how some strains stay alive under winter freezing and tundra. how many know that there is a mycellia complex under teh ground RIGHT NOW that is by FAR the largest living creature on the planet?? yes bigger than a blue whale. it stays alive and thrives when it can, if you have too cold temperatures the hyphae will just cling together and comfort each other by keeping warm and not being able to spread out but it will stay alive until food or water supplies are gone, or temperature gets very very extreme. like from a heating pad.
what happened to your babies was they got 3rd degree burned like your skin does. the molecules of the meat of the composure broke down and since they were about 85-90%water in the first place, it turned into an oozing substnce because it has no structure and a lot of fluid. unless it got over i think about 120*F then the psilocybin adn psilocin are still active. i still would not try to trip off of that no way. iwouldnt even try to extract it to pure even if there was some left.
you need to incubate your jars better, turn it up to 83-84 degrees somehow, make a new batch and follow the 2:1:1 verm:flour:water ratio. sterilize properly and you will be a lot happier than having diahrrea and an out of body experience all at the same time lol!!!! 
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maybe theres a tek out there to explain how to use it!
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