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Spirituality and Psychosis
    #18057519 - 04/04/13 12:57 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)



In my video creation, I read a section of remember be here now by ram dass, that deals with the issues of spirituality and the pitfall of a spiritual related psychosis mix. Steer clear from this pitfall on the spiritual path, will this helpful video, with music and visuals.

What do you think of the video and/or this view?


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Re: Spirituality and Psychosis [Re: Cosmicjoker]
    #18057592 - 04/04/13 01:14 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

EGO ON.:ifyoucanawe:  I can relate.  Been through it.  When the magic is with you and you feel full its (was) hard not to believe that you're the one.  THE ONLY ONE.  As if you are reliving some aspect of the Jesus archetype without a church or a book or a believer.

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Nice reading and very relevant to what I'm experiencing as a sort of an aftermath to my past.  I feel I was cast down into chaos at times.


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Re: Spirituality and Psychosis [Re: Cosmicjoker]
    #18058060 - 04/04/13 02:52 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Cool video. Love how you used Thinking Is The Best Way To Travel as the background music. Love the Moodies. :thumbup:


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Re: Spirituality and Psychosis [Re: Peace of Mind 1]
    #18062466 - 04/05/13 01:11 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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EGO ON.:ifyoucanawe:  I can relate.  Been through it.  When the magic is with you and you feel full its (was) hard not to believe that you're the one.  THE ONLY ONE.  As if you are reliving some aspect of the Jesus archetype without a church or a book or a believer.

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Nice reading and very relevant to what I'm experiencing as a sort of an aftermath to my past.  I feel I was cast down into chaos at times.





I been through it to... Over 10 years ago, I had such an extreme spiritual emergency with mania from bipolar that I was hospitalized in a mental hospital for about a month. It was an extreme manic ego messiah trip, but it had spiritual elements. I saw spirits angels ghosts, had incredible experiences and God's presence was always there through the dark times... I still have those experiences often, but now with the help of meditation and medication and other practices, I keep my ego and brain under control, and don't let my spiritual experiences let me think I am the messiah.


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Cool video. Love how you used Thinking Is The Best Way To Travel as the background music. Love the Moodies. :thumbup:




The moodies are my favorite band


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Re: Spirituality and Psychosis [Re: Cosmicjoker]
    #18062496 - 04/05/13 01:19 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

"The psychotic drowns in the same waters in which the mystic swims with delight." - Joseph Campbell


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Re: Spirituality and Psychosis [Re: r72rock]
    #18062972 - 04/05/13 03:27 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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I can relate.  Been through it.  When the magic is with you and you feel full its (was) hard not to believe that you're the one.  THE ONLY ONE




isn't it like a test of sorts? Of course you're the only one; there is no other than one. As if it didn't know how you will react to it... why would the all-knowing do that? I personally refused it, it was the most ridiculous thing ever.. but it kept insisting and showing and after a week or so, convinced me.
who was convinced anyway? The one who is, already knows it. Lol, like a quote I heard recently. "If Jesus was to travel to India and proclaimed: "I am god! Me and the Father are one!", the people would be like:"Congrats, you found out."" think it's Allan Watts, hah what an up character.


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Re: Spirituality and Psychosis [Re: cbub]
    #18062992 - 04/05/13 03:32 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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I can relate.  Been through it.  When the magic is with you and you feel full its (was) hard not to believe that you're the one.  THE ONLY ONE




isn't it like a test of sorts? Of course you're the only one; there is no other than one. As if it didn't know how you will react to it... why would the all-knowing do that? I personally refused it, it was the most ridiculous thing ever.. but it kept insisting and showing and after a week or so, convinced me.
who was convinced anyway? The one who is, already knows it. Lol, like a quote I heard recently. "If Jesus was to travel to India and proclaimed: "I am god! Me and the Father are one!", the people would be like:"Congrats, you found out."" think it's Allan Watts, hah what an up character.




I think what he meant was the seperate self, his individual self was the only one, and other individuals weren't as real or as good, or as existing... He didn't mean nonduality, nonduality or oneness is fine, he meant the ego thinking it is oneness, in other words a false experience of oneness...

Let's not get caught in semantics here...

But still I see what you are saying, in a nondual way, there is only ONE, and that ONE is not seperate from anything...


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Re: Spirituality and Psychosis [Re: cbub]
    #18063005 - 04/05/13 03:36 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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isn't it like a test of sorts?




Yes.  But it used to be a newer idea.  One of awakening with a message among the masses of ignorance about its importance in allowing one to contact the divine.


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Re: Spirituality and Psychosis [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #18064355 - 04/05/13 08:38 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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isn't it like a test of sorts?




Yes.  But it used to be a newer idea.  One of awakening with a message among the masses of ignorance about its importance in allowing one to contact the divine.





If you care to share, what happened to you, with your struggles with the pitfall of messianic complex or whatever, during yyour spiritual path...

Did it have negative consequences on your life?


It def. shaked up my life so severely in so many ways... but now looking back at it, I am at peace with it... It made me stronger, be more aware to sort out delusional thoughts vs. spiritual understanding, and it may be hard for you to buy this, but the intensity of it, somehow made it so the presence of God even in dark depressing or painful moments, is there, never leaving totally, and I do not doubt it's reality. In a way, that spiritual emergency even with the messiah manic psychosis, was an offering of devotion to God... Offering up my ego in it's grandest incarnation to God as food to eat, loving me the whole way through. It allowed me to take myself less seriously, but at the same time more carefully. Deep in the mental hospital, what got me out, was this still small voice within, that felt so pure and divine through the mess of my mind, coming from a deeper place, a heart center, it said "play the game" I started seeing life as a game with rules, moves, and so on. As I started to play it, I was out of the mental hosptial soon after... and the delusions faded away. By following my inner voice and heart flow, I was able to play the game enough to get on with life, to function with all around me. And also see life lightly with cosmic humor, but not to the point of just letting things to wild and crazy like nothing matters...

After I got out of the hospital, I understood that playing the game was about humility, that was what the spirituality mixed with psychosis did for me... I came to understand that my bipolar diagnosis was something to work with in the game, rather then who I really was... It helped me understand my brain has certain chemical patterns and flows that fit in with the bipolar catagory but that doesn't take away from my spiritual journey...

And I learned to balance my spiritual practices, with a medication... I find some in the spiritual communities are so against medication. because it comes from pharmacuetical companies, and they feel it numbs spirituality...

But after having 3 manic episodes every time I went off my medicine for a bit... they didn't have the psychotic messianic complex and delusions of grandure, but they still lead to crazy behavior, and too much manic energy. (here and there, two with a minor short hospital stay, and the last one with just bizarre behavior) 5 years ago after my last manic episode, I committed to staying on the medicine for good, one day at a time for life, because it wasn't worth the risk of a manic episode.

Since then I haven't gotten a manic episode. and my life is much more balanced.

Not that meditation, and psychedelics and other spiritual practices haven't helped over the years in this way.


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Re: Spirituality and Psychosis [Re: Cosmicjoker]
    #18065589 - 04/06/13 01:46 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

It's an interesting topic.
Think we'll agree there is no way to 'that' place without a proper ego death. And the information you wake to is like a resurrection jolt to ego. It's almost as if it sneaks in right about when you're to make an identity shift from a human being to nameless.
"You mean I'm god? Me, me, me??" All to distract your focus and identify with what you always identified with.
And then it's over.. What you're left with is glimpses of what is and ego playing a new role in its ability to be whatever you think it to be.
And you go and translate the information into the mind stuff, but there is no more direct presence to guide you.. and the ego is trying it's best to pump out all sorts of hormones to make you think you're still in 'that' place.
What comes out is a person acting as if they are on some sort of terrible extatic drug, saying all sorts of existential mumbo jumbo. Or in other words - top candidate for psychiatry.


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Re: Spirituality and Psychosis [Re: cbub]
    #18065695 - 04/06/13 02:53 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

This deeply interests me of course. Hmmmm see, the way this dumbfuck culture works is to totally dumb us down because it wants --they/controlfreaks--want us as little robots/their domesticated cattle. Their central controlling myth is the mental illness myth

But our beings are DEEP and this is shown by how we creatively create mythology, and when some of us go into spontaneously spiritual e,ergent states, all of this mythical part of our beings can manifest. But because the 'priests' of this culture are totally inept and fearful of this aspect of humanity, they want to suppress it at all costs, and that stops the natural healing process. because the TRIGGER for this spnotaneous healing if often abuse. it may not even seem like 'abuse' is supposed to be, but the very nature OF this culture is abuse. For example the parents who 'want the best for their child' and put enormous pressure on her/him to 'succeed' and 'do well at school' and 'uni' and 'career' etc etc etc. All this is abuse, especially when the person deep down is feeling oppressed but daren't even acknowledge it their self! This is also how many people feel depressed---but are trained NOT to questioning the actual culture's role as their oppressor. Dig?

One of the most powerful books I have read which goes into these mythical states of being those labeled 'schizophrenic' go through is this one. I cannot recommend it enough:
Trials of the Visionary Mind

And here is an interview with its author, John Weir Perry:

John W. Perry: Visionary Experience or Psychosis (excerpt) - Thinking Allowed w/ Jeff Mishlove





Have you heard of Mad Pride? This is an acceptance of 'madness' in an insane world. it is the realization that you MUST go fukin mad in this world because it is insane, and this madness when supported--by how amazing people like Perry and others have tried to--is the essense of us as a species being able to heal from this insanity.


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Re: Spirituality and Psychosis [Re: zzripz]
    #18065757 - 04/06/13 03:38 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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It's an interesting topic.
Think we'll agree there is no way to 'that' place without a proper ego death. And the information you wake to is like a resurrection jolt to ego. It's almost as if it sneaks in right about when you're to make an identity shift from a human being to nameless.
"You mean I'm god? Me, me, me??" All to distract your focus and identify with what you always identified with.
And then it's over.. What you're left with is glimpses of what is and ego playing a new role in its ability to be whatever you think it to be.
And you go and translate the information into the mind stuff, but there is no more direct presence to guide you.. and the ego is trying it's best to pump out all sorts of hormones to make you think you're still in 'that' place.
What comes out is a person acting as if they are on some sort of terrible extatic drug, saying all sorts of existential mumbo jumbo. Or in other words - top candidate for psychiatry.




That makes total sense, and I agree, except for one point, saying "there is no more direct presence to guide you" I found in my spiritual psychotic ego trip, there still was a subtle spiritual presence. It was astounding to me, in reflection, that during such a dark ego manic crazy time, that presence was subtely there... it was mostly gone, but not NO MORE direct presence, just really subtle... Now as far as other cases of spiritual relate psychosis, perhaps what you say is true in some cases... I would generally feel that a small subtle spiritual presence is there at times during it in their awareness.

For example, I saw and felt the presence of Bob Marley and John Lennon and Native American Tribes, really vivid and incredible.. During that crazy manic time, I thought I was seeing them because I was the messiah, and they were there to encourage me saving the world. Now when I see spirits which I do often, sometimes just as vivid, I use it to help dissolve my ego and make me journey more into the oneness. Most psychiatrists would just say that those were not spirits, that was just and still is a symptom of mental illness... That to me is laughable, because I just understand so much about all the levels of reality, to acknowledge the relative existing of spirits like John Lennon or Bob Marley visiting as much as my body exists, or the physical planes exists... It strange because during the times of madness and the times of sanity now, I still feel the world is strangely unreal, that duality, up down, left right, this that, the universe, is unreal like a dream, just a manifestation of consciousness. This unrealness, even though it feels so intense, makes me take the whole trip of being here on earth more lighter.


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This deeply interests me of course. Hmmmm see, the way this dumbfuck culture works is to totally dumb us down because it wants --they/controlfreaks--want us as little robots/their domesticated cattle. Their central controlling myth is the mental illness myth

But our beings are DEEP and this is shown by how we creatively create mythology, and when some of us go into spontaneously spiritual e,ergent states, all of this mythical part of our beings can manifest. But because the 'priests' of this culture are totally inept and fearful of this aspect of humanity, they want to suppress it at all costs, and that stops the natural healing process. because the TRIGGER for this spnotaneous healing if often abuse. it may not even seem like 'abuse' is supposed to be, but the very nature OF this culture is abuse. For example the parents who 'want the best for their child' and put enormous pressure on her/him to 'succeed' and 'do well at school' and 'uni' and 'career' etc etc etc. All this is abuse, especially when the person deep down is feeling oppressed but daren't even acknowledge it their self! This is also how many people feel depressed---but are trained NOT to questioning the actual culture's role as their oppressor. Dig?

One of the most powerful books I have read which goes into these mythical states of being those labeled 'schizophrenic' go through is this one. I cannot recommend it enough:
Trials of the Visionary Mind

And here is an interview with its author, John Weir Perry:

John W. Perry: Visionary Experience or Psychosis (excerpt) - Thinking Allowed w/ Jeff Mishlove





Have you heard of Mad Pride? This is an acceptance of 'madness' in an insane world. it is the realization that you MUST go fukin mad in this world because it is insane, and this madness when supported--by how amazing people like Perry and others have tried to--is the essense of us as a species being able to heal from this insanity.




I read a book that deals strongly with what you shared, It was called Spiritual Emergency. and it delved into much of what you said and a lot more. During one section, it said that during the spiritual awakening, one sees one's life in a mythic sense, with your role as a mythic role and everything in those terms. The book talked about how this can be a transformative, healing and growing experience... and the mental health structure just deals with it in the oppossite way, stop these experiences in any way, and get them back to normal.


As far as mad in a mad world, I can so relate with thinking like that.

Now I have come to see the world as insane in so many ways, and also beautiful energy just working itself out, pureness, God, everything a manifestation of the divine and just are ignorance of this that is all the suffering, but even the suffering is somehow a part of this process. Seeing beauty and meaning in it, makes peace with it in a way... I see both these things at the same time... The absurdity of it all, and the perfection of it all... as well as it all being one... and all that to me is the cosmic joke... after seeing in this way, there is a laugheter and humor that is cosmic and compassionate... but just sees that adding to the suffering by being crazy about it, or mad about it, or sad about it... is not the solution... And that having a lightness, a dance to life, with careful concerned compassionate seriousness to it as well, deeply grounded in being mindful of everything is the answer... And that madness about it all is not the answer to healing. However, I can understand and agree that going into the madness like I did, much of in reaction to the insane world and wanting humanity to wake up to oneness, can be a transformative healing for society. It can be... but a balanced grounded sane spiritual approach I feel is much more effective for humanity healing from the insanity.

In a way perhaps, going deep into a spiritual type of madness those many years ago, was a way to release all that. and if I hadn't went through that rite of passage of going insane and an insane world, the craziness would just fester over the years, and I wouldn't have progressed as much in my transformation of consciousness.


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Re: Spirituality and Psychosis [Re: Cosmicjoker]
    #18065822 - 04/06/13 04:24 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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but not NO MORE direct presence, just really subtle...




oh yes, you are right.. and it's still around.

That's where the idea of asceticism probably comes from.
Eliminating the stimuli of the five senses in order to be more perceptive to what is within.


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Re: Spirituality and Psychosis [Re: cbub]
    #18066648 - 04/06/13 11:12 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

God's Awareness was real subtle Indeed True.


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