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Badaboom
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Badaboom's RGS Prep Tek (2013 Pictorial)
#18064867 - 04/05/13 10:26 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hello all! I have been gone for quite some time now whilst I worked with a new bulk tek. After seeing Violet's RGS post, I figured I would come back riding the bandwaggon.
RGS is perfect for cakes, G2G and other Bulks
So here it is, ladies and gentleman! Badaboom's Rye Grass Seed Tek for P. Cubensis
First, we want to start with what to buy and what to avoid. When out looking for Grass Seed (normal lawn seed) you want to avoid everything that looks weird!
Some seeds come paired with a protective coating that holds water, others have a special small 'stamp' on them that is copper in color - BE VERY WARRY OF THIS! This stamp says the RGS has a fungicidal in it that will kill the mushrooms.
I settled on a small bag of RGS known as Scotts Quick Fix Grass Seed - Contains Rye Grass Seed. This 3lb bag that worked perfectly for 6 quarts - 0.5lbs of RGS per Quart or simply put 3/4 of a quart per jar = 6lbs of RGS.
You will need to boil water for the following step, and the math is simple. For every 2 quarts of RGS, boil 1 quart of water.

After the water is set on the stove, I throw the RGS in a large pot and proceed rise off all the dirt and other nasties.

Strain between the first two rinse's, the RGS does float and becomes a little bit of a messy project


Then fill the strainer with the RGS and set the strainer in a large mixing bowl. Run lukewarm water over the RGS from the faucet for 10 minutes, stirring the seeds by hand and dumping the dirty water from the large bowl every minute or so until it runs clear.

The point of the large bowl is to capture seeds that might slip through the strainer - Your sink will thank you later

After the water runs clear, I set all clean seeds in a large 66QT tote, a large bucket will work just as well.
Add 1 TBS of Gypsum per 3QT's of RGS. For 6QT's, I added 2 TBS of pellatized Gypsum - Powered works just as well


I then add spent coffee at 2 serving cups of coffee mix per one quart of dry RGS. Say you make enough coffee for 12 cups, all
'12 cups' would go into 6QT's. Yes you can use less, I am sure 12 spent serving cups would be enough for 10-15QT's. The coffee is there to simply boost nitrogen levels.

Now get a long handled mixing utensil ready, I like using a wire wisk as it makes stirring easier.
Take your boiling water and slowly dump it into the RGS/Gypsum/Spent Coffee. We dump slowly to not splash boiling water on ourselves.
Note* When you add the water, it will NOT completely cover the RGS - this is what we want. When using different containers to mix in, you can expect to not see any water. 66QT tub was used here for pictures.

Use your utensil and mix mix mix for about 2 minutes. We want to evenly distribute the Gypsum and Coffee while the water is still hot.

Now let it sit somewhere for the next 8 to 10 hours, turning seed from the bottom to the top every hour or so for a minute or two to get the top RGS wet in the water at the bottom of the tub/bucket etc
After this soak, dump the RGS in a strainer for 16 hours if soaked for 8 hours, 24 hours if soaked for 10.
Load strained RGS into jars following proper procedures and pressure cook for 90 minutes at 15psi
And that's how Badaboom gets his RGS done!
Thanks for reading, hope you like it 
Up next - Inoc
Edited by Badaboom (04/06/13 01:34 AM)
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mycomattie



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Re: Badaboom's RGS Prep Tek [Re: Badaboom]
#18064925 - 04/05/13 10:37 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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RGS is the shit now - all of a sudden, a bunch of posts are popping up daily it seems.
I have some going now, which I started earlier this month, after reading Stonesun and Violets' posts...
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Re: Badaboom's RGS Prep Tek [Re: mycomattie]
#18064945 - 04/05/13 10:41 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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mycomattie said: RGS is the shit now - all of a sudden, a bunch of posts are popping up daily it seems.
I have some going now, which I started earlier this month, after reading Stonesun and Violets' posts...
I thought it was odd. I went off on a giant tangent about how what we are using sucks and caught tons of shit for it.. so I set out to prove you all wrong!! hahaha
And then BAM I was beaten to the punch xD Glad to see I did something right in the time I spent lurking and studying haha
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Re: Badaboom's RGS Prep Tek [Re: Badaboom]
#18064958 - 04/05/13 10:44 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well - regardless, great post.
I have RGS and rye going now - so far, so good.
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Badaboom
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Re: Badaboom's RGS Prep Tek [Re: mycomattie]
#18064967 - 04/05/13 10:46 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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mycomattie said: Well - regardless, great post.
I have RGS and rye going now - so far, so good.
Thank you Was it easy enough to follow? Its my first official tek write up
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Re: Badaboom's RGS Prep Tek [Re: Badaboom]
#18065004 - 04/05/13 10:53 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes, definitely - a good combo of pics and description. Good all around.
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Re: Badaboom's RGS Prep Tek [Re: Badaboom]
#18065013 - 04/05/13 10:56 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Great prep TEK man 
I want to try RGS for my first bulk project.
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Re: Badaboom's RGS Prep Tek [Re: mycomattie]
#18065030 - 04/05/13 10:59 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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So you add coffee grounds and not liquid coffee?
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Re: Badaboom's RGS Prep Tek [Re: thundahoof]
#18065044 - 04/05/13 11:01 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah couldn't you also use liquid coffee for the soak? I understand the coffee grounds are for nutrition in the substrate, but liquid coffee could be beneficial too.
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Re: Badaboom's RGS Prep Tek [Re: Guess]
#18065062 - 04/05/13 11:06 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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thundahoof said: So you add coffee grounds and not liquid coffee?
Yup. I add the spent grounds to act as a nitro release through the colonization process. Coffee is also plant matter, acts as a little something extra for the mycelium to much on and get a nice turbo boost. Much of the grounds dissolve in the hot water as well, which is why it is so important to thoroughly mix while hot.
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Guess said: Yeah couldn't you also use liquid coffee for the soak? I understand the coffee grounds are for nutrition in the substrate, but liquid coffee could be beneficial too.
I would agree with you here, it's a lack of food really and you would need to account for the volume of coffee added. Say 1 quart of coffee would be 1 less quart of water.
Cakes can grow on 100% spent coffee grounds, so there is really no bad amount here
Edited by Badaboom (04/05/13 11:08 PM)
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Re: Badaboom's RGS Prep Tek [Re: Badaboom]
#18066235 - 04/06/13 08:46 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Violet released his/her tek soon after this one It's on page 5 of her RGS post, we duke it out over the use of coffee and gypsum ;D
Violets RGS Prep Tek
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Re: Badaboom's RGS Prep Tek [Re: Badaboom]
#18066340 - 04/06/13 09:25 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Finally that volume thing Violet was talking about was made simple for the simple mind! I love me some books with pictures!
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** I have been gone for 10 months, any and all information I supply could be old, wrong and unintentionally fictional. I apologize for this in advance and recommend you wait for more information before settling on my advice.**
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Capn Blue Beard
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So wait, do you PC in those plastic containers? I have the same thing but went out and bought some glass just in case
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** I have been gone for 10 months, any and all information I supply could be old, wrong and unintentionally fictional. I apologize for this in advance and recommend you wait for more information before settling on my advice.**
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Re: Badaboom's RGS Prep Tek [Re: Badaboom]
#18068369 - 04/06/13 06:02 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Badaboom said: It's on page 5 of her RGS post, we duke it out over the use of coffee and gypsum ;D
Violets RGS Prep Tek Link edited by Violet to specific post
Did we duke it out? ;P
I used gypsum for a while, didn't change anything for me. Used coffee with truffles for a long long time; don't like it anymore.
The ideas and assertions are great, but I wouldn't be surprised if you cats also abandon those materials somewhere down the line (except for edibles). Try plant food followed by short "ferment" period, see what happens...
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Re: Badaboom's RGS Prep Tek [Re: Violet] 1
#18069519 - 04/06/13 10:09 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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I disagree that RGS is that great. Spawn is spawn. WBS is far cheaper than RGS or rye berries. I know Violet will come throw a fit but I don't buy into her crap. Spawn is spawn. Even RR uses less.
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RogerRabbit said: There's little to be gained from using extra spawn. It doesn't colonize much faster as is commonly thought.
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FrankHorrigan said: I know Violet will come throw a fit but I don't buy into her crap.
I'll throw a fit? I've got crap to buy into?
Jeez man. What a horrible attitude.
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FrankHorrigan said: I disagree that RGS is that great. Spawn is spawn.
Then you've not done side-by-sides of straight-fruiting different straight grains, or sought to maximize the advantages of such avenues of cultivation. Remember that "spawn" is a lesser use of RGS for me, and it's not about having faster colonization spawned to bulk, it's about a single jar being able to inoculate more things, extending the value of a sterilization run. If you're just pouring all your grain in a tub, sure, it won't make much of a difference, power to ya. I've tried your methods. You've not tried mine.
Don't be silly and go saying I threw a fit.
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Badaboom said: Violet released his/her tek soon after this one
Violet released her tek about 2 weeks after this one.
This post isn't even one day old yet.
"Tek" this, "released" that… We're just talking about mushroom procedures on forums. It's essentially cooking rice, one way/grain or another.
Don't be dramatic, peeps, cmon...
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Re: Badaboom's RGS Prep Tek [Re: Violet] 1
#18069587 - 04/06/13 10:26 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Violet said:
Then you've not done side-by-sides of straight-fruiting different straight grains, or sought to maximize the advantages of such avenues of cultivation.
Yes, I have. And no, I think it's crap  What advantages could I take part in?
Spawn is spawn. Whether I spawn RGS or WBS or rye berries, I get 3/4-1 lb dry per tub.
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My friend, there are too many if's to be so black-and white.
If you're using full quarts of grain to inoc a bulk substrate, then it's the sheer volume of your "spawn" that matters, and which grain you use will indeed make little difference. If you're essentially doing just G2G with "master" inoc jars, however, then RGS triples the power of each jar. If you're interested in knowing the advantages of using straight grains instead of "bulk" and "spawn", read the indigo text in that thread, it's all there already If you think straight-grain methods are crap, you've not done them in a way that isn't crap. With a finesse in method they can produce more bulk mushrooms than your bulk substrate can.
Please don't be so closed-mind or procedurally militant
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FrankHorrigan said: Whether I spawn RGS or WBS or rye berries, I get 3/4-1 lb dry per tub.
I get more fruiting straight grass seed. 14-19oz, and the chamber's not occupied by colonizing block for 2wks first
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Re: Badaboom's RGS Prep Tek [Re: Violet]
#18069627 - 04/06/13 10:37 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ok Violet.
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