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Will Obama ever be FOR cannabis? Discuss
#17181294 - 11/07/12 07:34 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Remember, Democrats are for strong federal government, and Republicans are more for strong individual state government. It would make u think since marijuana is a state by state process at this time that Republicans would be part of the legalization process with the whole."Strong State" idea. Obama though very popular in the media and with today's youth, is still as a Democrat in full belief of the Federal law and remains against marijuana. Do you think if enough states legalize, he will listen to the people, or remain firmly against it? Will a Republican president be the first to back pot? Or will it have to wait till a 3rd party candidate gets elected? Thoughts?
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Re: Will Obama ever be FOR cannabis? Discuss [Re: xamplesample]
#17192547 - 11/09/12 07:50 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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as it stands..2 states have fully legalized marijuana.. 16 states have more limited legalization.. and 32 states are not at all pleased with the other 18...as POTUS..obama simply cannot choose to represent the interests of 18 states exclusively over the other 32...
that having been said.. ending federal prohibition is in the hands of a congress which is firmly in the back pocket of ALEC and the private prison companies.. and that holds doubly true in the legislatures of the other 32 states...no further action is possible unless those strangleholds can be broken...
but the entities named above spent over $1 billion to seize the POTUS and the senate.. and they couldnt do it.. so they are not invincible in that respect...but they might very well be in the US house and in the statehouses...
the power of ALEC and the prison plutocrats derives directly from increasing polarization of wealth...so rather than trying to attack marijuana prohibition directly.. a better approach may be to attack the root cause of prohibition..which is income inequality...
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Re: Will Obama ever be FOR cannabis? Discuss [Re: Annapurna1]
#17192854 - 11/09/12 08:48 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Annapurna1 said: a better approach may be to attack the root cause of prohibition..which is income inequality...
I've not heard this argument before. Can you shed more light on how income inequality leads to prohibition?
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Re: Will Obama ever be FOR cannabis? Discuss [Re: viktor]
#17194219 - 11/10/12 05:57 AM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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actually..i take that back ..inequality may not cause prohibition per se (although it does tend to make the society more restrictive in general).. but it is fueling prohibition by funelling all the money to ALEC and the prison industry lobby...
EDIT ..another question that needs to be asked is why the plutocrats and oligarchs feel so threatened by marijuana in the first place...
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Re: Will Obama ever be FOR cannabis? Discuss [Re: viktor]
#17197757 - 11/10/12 09:03 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Obama ain't gonna do shit. He gon' send in the feds with Assault rifles and shoot you and your dogs.
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Re: Will Obama ever be FOR cannabis? Discuss [Re: xamplesample]
#17609654 - 01/25/13 03:21 PM (11 years, 4 days ago) |
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Vote Republican!!!
Obama Signs Synthetic Drug Ban Bill Post to: Twitter Digg StumbleUpon Reddit by Phillip Smith, July 10, 2012, 02:30pm, (Issue #742) Posted in: Congress, Executive Branch, Mephedrone, News Brief, Popularization of Worse Drugs, Prohibition, Synthetic Cannabinoids, Synthetic Drugs
President Barack Obama Monday signed into law a bill banning the synthetic drugs known popularly as "bath salts" and "fake weed." The language barring the substances was inserted into the Food and Drug Administration safety bill passed last month by the Congress.
The bill targets 31 specific synthetic stimulant, cannabinoid, and hallucinogenic compounds. Marketed under brand names like K2 and Spice for synthetic cannabinoids and under names like Ivory Wave, among others, for synthetic stimulants, the drugs have become increasingly popular in recent years.
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/2012/jul/10/obama_signs_synthetic_drug_ban_b
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Re: Will Obama ever be FOR cannabis? Discuss [Re: xamplesample]
#17910059 - 03/05/13 08:22 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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The saddest thing about Obama's inaction is that he used to be a pothead! Imagain if he had been on of the 100,000s of people who had been caught with a small amount of cannabis (I think the cannabis community should refrain from using the word marijuana but that is a different topic) and wound up with a felony charge! He certainly wouldn't be president.
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Obama is not the final say, congress is. He's said before "congress hasn't changed the laws yet." It will happen, there's just a lot going on right now and marijuana isn't the highest concern. Frankly I think everyone's waiting to see what happens in Washington and Colorado first.
Synthetics like K2 and bath salts kill people, they should be banned honestly. Kids shouldn't be able to pick them up at the gas station where they're advertised as safe and just like weed.
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Re: Will Obama ever be FOR cannabis? Discuss [Re: JoieDeVivre] 1
#18042219 - 04/01/13 12:48 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Obama makes it look like he's opposed to drugs in the public eye because he doesn't want to piss off the parents who voted for him.
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Re: Will Obama ever be FOR cannabis? Discuss [Re: Sell Your Soul]
#18042221 - 04/01/13 12:49 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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And all the people who think African Americans are all drug dealers out to rape their daughters.
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Re: Will Obama ever be FOR cannabis? Discuss [Re: JoieDeVivre]
#18042222 - 04/01/13 12:49 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Will Obama ever be FOR cannabis? Discuss [Re: xamplesample] 1
#18042252 - 04/01/13 01:02 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Republicans are ostensibly against big government, but c'mon, dude. They just want Republican big government. The judge told me so. 
Seriously though, I don't think Obama will weigh in on this too seriously at any point in his presidency. He clearly has a cabinet full of drug hawks, and he has abandoned whatever prospect he may ever have had to end raids. I think he wants to do it and would do it if it was realistic, but there's obviously too many government jobs at stake in persecuting druggies and he doesn't want to disrupt the economy by laying them off. Personally I think the entire DEA should be given lifetime retirement benefits in exchange for stepping down quietly and obediently if necessary, but I can't see this flying in Washington.
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Re: Will Obama ever be FOR cannabis? Discuss [Re: JoieDeVivre]
#18042427 - 04/01/13 02:00 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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JoieDeVivre said:
Synthetics like K2 and bath salts kill people, they should be banned honestly. Kids shouldn't be able to pick them up at the gas station where they're advertised as safe and just like weed.
FOR THE CHILDREN! Yes we all know prohibition works so well and makes people safe! BAN BAN BAN EVERYTHING.
Obama said what he needed to say to get the ignorant collage kids to vote for him but he's not going to do anything.
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Seriously though, I don't think Obama will weigh in on this too seriously at any point in his presidency. He clearly has a cabinet full of drug hawks, and he has abandoned whatever prospect he may ever have had to end raids. I think he wants to do it and would do it if it was realistic, but there's obviously too many government jobs at stake in persecuting druggies and he doesn't want to disrupt the economy by laying them off. Personally I think the entire DEA should be given lifetime retirement benefits in exchange for stepping down quietly and obediently if necessary, but I can't see this flying in Washington.
Seriously, what this guy said- although I think his reasoning (re excuse) is absolutely hilarious. Yeah, BS, he doesn't want to harm the economy by laying off federal agents. It's much better for the economy to keep the government bureaucracies huge and tax the shit out of people .
In reality: Obama and his ilk are full of shit and just want to increase federal power. Obama could have stopped raids on mmj dispensaries and certainly could have appointed more anti-prohibitionists.
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Re: Will Obama ever be FOR cannabis? Discuss [Re: Sell Your Soul]
#18043314 - 04/01/13 06:03 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sell Your Soul said: Obama makes it look like he's opposed to drugs in the public eye because he doesn't want to piss off the parents who voted for him.
Why would he care about that at this point? He's on his second term.
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#18044015 - 04/01/13 09:18 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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setb said: Seriously, what this guy said- although I think his reasoning (re excuse) is absolutely hilarious. Yeah, BS, he doesn't want to harm the economy by laying off federal agents. It's much better for the economy to keep the government bureaucracies huge and tax the shit out of people .
In reality: Obama and his ilk are full of shit and just want to increase federal power. Obama could have stopped raids on mmj dispensaries and certainly could have appointed more anti-prohibitionists.
I never defended it.
But Obama would catch serious shit if he tried to make good on his promises regarding decriminalization. He made them out of naivete. I don't get the impression he wants to increase federal power for its own sake. He got into Washington, realized he was in WAY over his head, and hired on the guys with experience because he didn't know where else to look. His first executive job was the presidency, he was a senator before that, the two jobs have absolutely NOTHING in common. The guy has no idea what the hell he's doing, he went in with no big-league political capital what so ever except as a gorgeous young figurehead, he's fresh blood in shark-infested waters. 
It's hard to make predictions about this sort of thing, but if some well-publicized and unprecedented debacle of prohibition occurs-- like a surge of cartel violence pushing past the borders or some kind of nationally visible, unprecedented abuse of power by drug warriors-- I'm pretty sure Obama will pull a double flip flop and capitalize on the opportunity to push his agenda. That's how it was with gay marriage-- as far back as the 90's he stated his support for same-sex marriage, but when he ran for president he went on the downlow. Then he went and abolished DADT and reaffirmed his support for same-sex marriage as soon as it was politically expedient. I could see him pulling the same trick on the drug war, given the chance. The difference here is we never had paramilitary anti-sodomy troopers. On the other hand, drug enforcement is kind an entrenched industry.
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Couldn't agree with you more, BS.
I do think we'll see the issue of decriminalization highly debated in the federal government, and hopefully realized, in his presidency but I'm a perpetual optimist so who knows.
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BlindSophist said: Republicans are ostensibly against big government, but c'mon, dude. They just want Republican big government. The judge told me so. 
Seriously though, I don't think Obama will weigh in on this too seriously at any point in his presidency. He clearly has a cabinet full of drug hawks, and he has abandoned whatever prospect he may ever have had to end raids. I think he wants to do it and would do it if it was realistic, but there's obviously too many government jobs at stake in persecuting druggies and he doesn't want to disrupt the economy by laying them off. Personally I think the entire DEA should be given lifetime retirement benefits in exchange for stepping down quietly and obediently if necessary, but I can't see this flying in Washington.
Fuck that. Every DEA agent should be jailed for 5 years for every life they've ruined by putting people in jail for bullshit. Let them see how it feels to have your life ripped away from you because of crappy laws, and watch their wives move on and children grow old from behind bars. FUCK giving them anything other than a swift boot in the ass to a cell for the rest of their lives which is a minor pittance compared to what they really deserve.
FUCK THE DEA buncha criminals with badges.
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Re: Will Obama ever be FOR cannabis? Discuss [Re: abltsandwich]
#18044548 - 04/02/13 12:04 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm a realist. They're entrenched and you've got to shut them up somehow. Lord knows we'd be able to pay for it and then some on the money saved by no longer incarcerating nonviolent offenders. 
The same kind of handout should not be afforded the prison-industrial complex. Those particular stockholders should be written off as bad investors and those particular prison administrators should be laid off and left to find legitimate work.
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