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OfflineAbraxis0
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TOR for long time members? An appeal to admins and mods * 2
    #18035030 - 03/30/13 09:41 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

I'm a very security conscious individual most of the time and my privacy and anonymity are very valued. Today is the first time I've logged in in probably over a year or more, although I've continued to lurk the entire time.

I use TOR for almost all of my web browsing and research. For those not familiar with TOR in a nut shell it routes your data across multiple encrypted connections (proxies if you will) so that the website you visit will have no idea where your data originated from or where the data your requesting is being sent. Additionally anyone monitoring traffic to that website or between you and your ISP will be just as in the dark. They can't see what your data's destination is and no one can see where your data originated from. Effective anonymity. There's more to it but that's the gist.

Shroomery, like many other forums will not allow you to sign up or log in if your data is being sent across the TOR network or an anonymous proxy. And it's perfectly understandable why. Some people would abuse it to troll the forums. A mod could ban someone but that person could just connect from a different IP located in a different country, sign up a new account and continue their disruptive jack-assery.

BUT what if a member could be allowed to login to their account via an anonymous proxy after being in good standing for a length of time?

For example after someone has been a member for over a year they could PM an admin or mod to request that they be allowed to use a proxy to log in and post from their account. If the person turns out to be an unremitting asshole their account gets locked. I've never been banned so I don't know how that works (maybe you can still log in but you can't post?) but what I'm suggesting is that if they want to use an anonymous proxy they understand that "ban" means they can no longer use their account.Period.Forever. And signing up for a new account won't do them any good either.

The reason I'm bringing this up is probably obvious. I almost exclusively use the cultivation & contamination forums, and there are many things I feel very uncomfortable talking about knowing that my privacy isn't protected from a man-in-the-middle eaves dropping scenario. There's been many times that I've seen a question or some bad information and thought, "I totally have something useful to say about that but...well hopefully somebody will chime in and get it straight."

Thanks for reading! HOpefully I've made sense and the grammar isn't too horrible. Your thoughts and opinions are appreciated.
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Re: TOR for long time members? An appeal to admins and mods [Re: Abraxis0] * 1
    #18037371 - 03/31/13 01:31 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: TOR for long time members? An appeal to admins and mods [Re: Abraxis0]
    #18041394 - 04/01/13 07:16 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

It sounds to me like it could be done, however it need to be scripted and it's unlikely any of the admins where would take the time to script up such a feature just for you or the few other people who might also like to take advantage of such an idea.

Also the shoomery has your real IP recorded anyway. If law enforcement were to obtain shroomery logs they'd be able to match your original IP to you, even if you only talked about illegal shit through TOR. Sure it adds another layer of deniability, but internet activity is already pretty useless as evidence anyway "I swear it was someone stealing my wifi doing those illegal things, not me!"

Finally TOR is still susceptible to "exit node snooping" which is a man in the middle attack. This mean that anyone, myself for instance could run an exit node and sniff all unencrypted traffic coming through the TOR network. You could even argue that this is LESS safe that just browsing without TOR because exit node snoopers are going to assume you have something to hide by using TOR in the first place.

What you can do:
The shroomery actually offers SSL encrypted browsing for supporters. This will encrypted all traffic between yourself and the shroomery and be unreadable to any men in the middle. This sounds like the best bet for you.

Alternatively you could purchase VPN access and browse the shroomery through that although it suffers from the same problem as tor in that any unencrypted traffic between the VPN's sever and the shoomery would be easily sniffed.


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Re: TOR for long time members? An appeal to admins and mods [Re: Dawks]
    #18041412 - 04/01/13 07:27 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

There are ways to use this site anonymously, certain firefox add-ons allow you to mask or fake your IP, I did it by mistake a few times (just forgot to turn off IP cloaking add-on). It showed a different flag/country by my name so I am assuming one could use this to create a puppet account etc if they were so inclined, probably shouldn't have posted that info, it's knowledge many a troll would probably enjoy..

It's fun posting as Ythan or Pris though.. Happy April, fools!
:pm: me if you want to know which add-ons can achieve this, I won't list them here for obvious reasons.


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Re: TOR for long time members? An appeal to admins and mods [Re: Abraxis0]
    #18043996 - 04/01/13 09:14 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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Abraxis0 said:
BUT what if a member could be allowed to login to their account via an anonymous proxy after being in good standing for a length of time?





I've thought about this quite often myself...


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Re: TOR for long time members? An appeal to admins and mods [Re: LuSiD9] * 1
    #18044373 - 04/01/13 11:04 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: TOR for long time members? An appeal to admins and mods [Re: Abraxis0] * 1
    #18044472 - 04/01/13 11:38 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

My understanding is that shroomery doesn't allow you to use TOR to register new accounts, but you can use it to log into existing ones.

Let me know if this is incorrect.

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Re: TOR for long time members? An appeal to admins and mods [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #18045479 - 04/02/13 08:47 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Just about to try that... But as I stated there are already several ways to access this site through a fake or proxy IP, so there's no real need to anything but get an add-on to Firefox.


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Re: TOR for long time members? An appeal to admins and mods [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #18045513 - 04/02/13 08:58 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

It doesn't allow you to login, Alan. I had no problem loading the site, but when you input your details via Tor it just keeps bringing up the forums page with you logged out, tried several times and a quick password change/update, still wouldn't allow me to sign in.

Looks like Tor is ok for browsing, just not posting, which I'm guessing defeats the purpose somewhat. :shrug:


http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=18045520&page=0&vc=1#18045520
Just tried ^^^^ it above with my current set up and can't seem to get a Dutch IP to work, not sure if that's having 2 tabs on the site open, or not having preferences adjusted, or an increase of security on the site in the last year or so... :popcorn:


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Edited by egodeathflux (04/02/13 09:04 AM)

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Re: TOR for long time members? An appeal to admins and mods [Re: egodeathflux]
    #18047556 - 04/02/13 04:27 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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egodeathflux said:
It doesn't allow you to login, Alan. I had no problem loading the site, but when you input your details via Tor it just keeps bringing up the forums page with you logged out, tried several times and a quick password change/update, still wouldn't allow me to sign in.





Do you have cookies enabled?  Cookies are required to log in.

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Re: TOR for long time members? An appeal to admins and mods [Re: Alan Rockefeller] * 1
    #18048932 - 04/02/13 08:30 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, the whole time I was reading this thread I was thinking... "Wtf?"

I log in using Tor quite frequently with no issue whatsoever.

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Re: TOR for long time members? An appeal to admins and mods [Re: Abraxis0]
    #18050857 - 04/03/13 04:50 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

It's also not 100% safe to use tor for all your browsing ahahahaha so silly my friend so silly.

Just because it provides, anonymity doesn't mean you should use it for everything. I WOULD NEVER log into my personal forum accounts, email account, social media accounts through the TOR network. Simply get a VPN, and use a proxy afterwards. Want anonymous downloading? Use a VPN for torrenting.

But use TOR for ALL browsing? Fuck no....


Oh and BTW, if someone controls both an enter and exit node along the chain, your fucked :rofl2: Not to mention the likelyhood of NSA, FBI and various other government agencies now deploying nodes are even higher. Sure if you're going to research some heaty shit yea by all means boot it up.

BUT COME ON!!! To leave personally identifiable information over the tor network is pretty silly IMO. If you're living in a country like Syria, sure why not. But odds are you're living in a country where, unless your doing extremely heaty shit you are not on somebodys radar.

The TOR network was originally founded by the US Navy as well.
Tor is great and all, but be cautious of it.

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Re: TOR for long time members? An appeal to admins and mods [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #18057377 - 04/04/13 12:28 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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It doesn't allow you to login, Alan. I had no problem loading the site, but when you input your details via Tor it just keeps bringing up the forums page with you logged out, tried several times and a quick password change/update, still wouldn't allow me to sign in.





Do you have cookies enabled?  Cookies are required to log in.





I had heard enabling cookies was a bad idea.. I only use Tor for a few things, I have Firefox set up to be as anonymous and add/pop-up free as possible so am happy to use it for most things. I never post anything illegal on the internet or deep web anyway, it's just asking for trouble IMO. :popcorn:


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Re: TOR for long time members? An appeal to admins and mods [Re: egodeathflux]
    #18065860 - 04/06/13 05:02 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah for firefox plugins!  What a joke.  Without some sort of proxy you're sending right from your IP to their IP.  Extremely easy for anyone monitoring your network to easily know exactly who your are, where you're going, and what you're posting.

TOR worked for me years ago when I used it last here.  Should be allowed and/or the policy explained.


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Re: TOR for long time members? An appeal to admins and mods [Re: fastfred]
    #18065862 - 04/06/13 05:04 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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Should be allowed and/or the policy explained.





It's allowed.  The people who can't login via TOR have cookies blocked.

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Re: TOR for long time members? An appeal to admins and mods [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #18095675 - 04/12/13 02:25 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

It works, though after you try logging in, it takes you to the main forums page and looks as if you're not logged in. Try logging in a second time - except this time type nonsense in the user/password fields and press enter or whatever. It'll take you the login-failed/incorrect password screen - except you'll now be logged in to your account.

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Re: TOR for long time members? An appeal to admins and mods [Re: something cool]
    #18098356 - 04/12/13 05:18 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

tor is far too slow

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Re: TOR for long time members? An appeal to admins and mods [Re: thelanzii]
    #18098372 - 04/12/13 05:22 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Nemmies said:
tor is far too slow





I think there are some options you can set to make it faster.


But I agree, when I want anonymity I tunnel web over ssh.  The delay is nearly imperceptible.

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Re: TOR for long time members? An appeal to admins and mods [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #18475096 - 06/26/13 03:10 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Seems my set-up of fake/random IP is working again.. Got an American flag by my name, but firmly planted in the UK. Not sure if it stays that way for good in the post or if it will change if I log in and my random IP is British, the program randomly selects either the UK, Netherlands, Germany, Switzerland(I think??) and USA. This can be adjusted to suit with your preferred nation manually.



**(not intentional for this site, never been banned/trolled etc, just my everyday config.)


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Re: TOR for long time members? An appeal to admins and mods [Re: Abraxis0]
    #18475378 - 06/26/13 04:15 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

I think it defeats the point of anonymity, like getting your grow puppet approved. It's something you don't want linked to your actual identity. With a little more work you can register with a proxy not already blocked and then post or whatever you want without fear of self incrimination. If you're already a known quantity or have a known identity there is no point in going anon at that point. You are best off to start over with a fresh acct imo.

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