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 Synchronicity And Fractal Time 
#18026559 - 03/28/13 10:57 PM (11 years, 21 days ago) |
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Hey all, I recently was in a book store and stumbled upon a book of Carl Jung's writings and was reading about the idea of synchronicity. I was already familiar with the concept but hadn't realized where it originated from or how extensively Jung had wrote about it. Personally, I have experienced this phenomenon many many times though I've never seen any deeper meaning behind it.
Basically the book got me thinking about Terence Mckenna's theory of time being like a fractal with larger events resonating on a smaller scale. Considering the 2 concepts at the same time I realized that they could infact be the same thing with synchronice events simply being resonances of each other.
So any thoughts? I'd also be interested in some examples of synchronicities that you have found meaningful.
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Re: Synchronicity And Fractal Time [Re: sum_peeps]
#18026572 - 03/28/13 11:01 PM (11 years, 21 days ago) |
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sum_peeps
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Re: Synchronicity And Fractal Time [Re: johnm214]
#18026585 - 03/28/13 11:05 PM (11 years, 21 days ago) |
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johnm214 said:
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A child's rhyme stuck in my head.
It said that life is but a dream.
I've spent so many years in question
to find I've known this all along.
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Re: Synchronicity And Fractal Time [Re: sum_peeps]
#18026621 - 03/28/13 11:15 PM (11 years, 21 days ago) |
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Perhaps...
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time being like a fractal with larger events resonating on a smaller scale.
What the fuck does that even mean?
Ways to test that hypothesis?
Evidence?
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Considering the 2 concepts at the same time I realized that they could infact be the same thing with synchronice events simply being resonances of each other.
What could be the same thing? Terrence Mckenna's hypothesis and jung's hypothesis about synchronicity?
Resonances with each other? Like if a bell rings and the vibrations hit you causing you to jump?
Ways to test this hypothesis?
Evidence?
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So any thoughts?
Yeah you need to slow down and try to explain and connect your ideas more effectively so the rest of us can understand what you are talking about.
Most people are going to hear...
Quasi-schizophrenic psuedo-science
and
New age mumbo jumbo
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 Re: Synchronicity And Fractal Time [Re: sum_peeps]
#18026976 - 03/29/13 02:59 AM (11 years, 21 days ago) |
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Haters gonna hate. I have experienced SO much synchronicity in my life...many times it has been so intense that it literally deconstructed my reality of experiencing the "out-there" and the "in-here" as separate realities...It all became one.
Edited by hTx (03/29/13 03:14 AM)
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Re: Synchronicity And Fractal Time [Re: hTx]
#18027181 - 03/29/13 06:05 AM (11 years, 20 days ago) |
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hTx said:
Haters gonna hate. I have experienced SO much synchronicity in my life...many times it has been so intense that it literally deconstructed my reality of experiencing the "out-there" and the "in-here" as separate realities...It all became one.
What makes a synchronicity different to a coincidence or string of coincidences?
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Re: Synchronicity And Fractal Time [Re: hTx]
#18027233 - 03/29/13 06:40 AM (11 years, 20 days ago) |
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hTx said:
Haters gonna hate. I have experienced SO much synchronicity in my life...many times it has been so intense that it literally deconstructed my reality of experiencing the "out-there" and the "in-here" as separate realities...It all became one.
Have you described these experiences anywhere or will you do? I'd be interested
regarding the OP's wonderings. I see inner fractal and outer fractal and revealing deep connection--interrelationship between 'subjective' and 'objective'
Notice how, for example, a tree is fractal like with each branch like a little tree and so on
Here's some interesting sites I recently found:
Holographic Fractal Filamentary Universe of Electricity, Magnetism, Superfluids and Dusty Galaxies
Fractal Universe, Fractal Life, Fractal Me
I personally am very aware when I experience synchronicity and always make a note of them. This very much happens of course when having psychedelic experience, and it often is very hilarious
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Re: Synchronicity And Fractal Time [Re: johnm214]
#18027332 - 03/29/13 07:54 AM (11 years, 20 days ago) |
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Now that's what I call posting with the intent of sparking intelligent discussion. 
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Re: Synchronicity And Fractal Time [Re: Constantine]
#18027413 - 03/29/13 08:48 AM (11 years, 20 days ago) |
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when time seems to stop holding reality in a sequential grip
moments can become related in "any" associative fashion.
you can visualize slow and fast, backwards and forward, stopped and free moving.
whenever the marshaling of moments stops being hinged to the fading of the continuous now, it gets associatively connected to your prevailing personal interest: hence ideas of "fractal time" or "synchronicity" or "multi-dimensional-synchronous-space" or "time-travel" & "Destiny"
All very poetic, and idiosyncratic.
you may actually notice things happening precisely together if they are only close together in time by several seconds due to mental time buffering
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Re: Synchronicity And Fractal Time [Re: redgreenvines] 2
#18027523 - 03/29/13 09:23 AM (11 years, 20 days ago) |
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Sorry guys, I mostly hang around the Psychedelic experience forums where all things Terence Mckenna are pretty much common knowledge. Basically he describes timewave zero as a measure of novelty where events that are in resonance (his words, not mine) have direct influence on each other. For example he described the 60s and 70s counterculture as a resonance of ancient greece. There is a video on youtube where he goes into great detail but I have shitty internet at the moment and can't look it up.
And seriously, Cactilove, what the fuck? I of course don't have any evidence because this is all hypothetical and you could easily have done a google search, I don't have time to explain everything down to a tee just because you are not familiar with what I'm talking about.
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A child's rhyme stuck in my head.
It said that life is but a dream.
I've spent so many years in question
to find I've known this all along.
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Re: Synchronicity And Fractal Time [Re: sum_peeps]
#18027542 - 03/29/13 09:31 AM (11 years, 20 days ago) |
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mostly hang around the Psychedelic experience forums where all things Terence Mckenna are pretty much common knowledge
You have a very different definition of knowledge than I do.
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Well, I see why this section is so dead now; it has an overpopulation of douchebags!
Thanks for the intelligent discussion...
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A child's rhyme stuck in my head.
It said that life is but a dream.
I've spent so many years in question
to find I've known this all along.
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Re: Synchronicity And Fractal Time [Re: sum_peeps]
#18027598 - 03/29/13 09:46 AM (11 years, 20 days ago) |
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That was certainly a cogent and well-thought post. Doing what you pretend to hate looks a lot like self-loathing.
Perhaps you can explain how McKenna's TWZ is in any way to be considered knowledge. If I am in error a counter point has more value than an forum-wide insult. I would think this is obvious, but guess not. 
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yay - I'm a douche bag today!
McKenna's ideas are ALL confused regurgitation's of others mish-mashed together on the occasions of losing his sense of time.
only his inclination to get high is agreeable to me otherwise, I do not like how he has made so many people happy to be lazy thinkers with tribal mentalities.
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Re: Synchronicity And Fractal Time [Re: sum_peeps]
#18027723 - 03/29/13 10:28 AM (11 years, 20 days ago) |
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sum_peeps said:
Sorry guys, I mostly hang around the Psychedelic experience forums where all things Terence Mckenna are pretty much common knowledge. Basically he describes timewave zero as a measure of novelty where events that are in resonance (his words, not mine) have direct influence on each other. For example he described the 60s and 70s counterculture as a resonance of ancient greece. There is a video on youtube where he goes into great detail but I have shitty internet at the moment and can't look it up.
And seriously, Cactilove, what the fuck? I of course don't have any evidence because this is all hypothetical and you could easily have done a google search, I don't have time to explain everything down to a tee just because you are not familiar with what I'm talking about.
Look man, that is the way things are done here.
I was not trying to put your idea down, I was encouraging you to think about ways that you can improve your communication so the simple minded folk like me could understand what you are talking about. I was also encouraging you to put your ideas through logic and reason in order to test their validity. I was encouraging you to think about ways to test this hypothesis so you can come back here and lay down the truth of the matter.
I'm sorry it's me not you.
If someones hypothesis make little sense to me then I'm going to say what I feel. If they cannot explain it to me thoroughly then I assume they don't know what they are talking about, so I lose interest. That's me though. Looks like somehow a few other people were able to grasp at least a loose idea of what you were going on about.
Perhaps a link where this hypothesis is explained more in depth is in order?
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McKenna's ideas are ALL confused regurgitation's of others mish-mashed together on the occasions of losing his sense of time.
only his inclination to get high is agreeable to me otherwise, I do not like how he has made so many people happy to be lazy thinkers with tribal mentalities.
I'm not so sure about that, but I think that Mckenna was a story weaver and entertainer, which is what claims to be. He never claimed to have scientific validation backing his stories.
Still love the dude though.
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Re: Synchronicity And Fractal Time [Re: sum_peeps] 1
#18027793 - 03/29/13 10:53 AM (11 years, 20 days ago) |
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Well, I see why this section is so dead now; it has an overpopulation of douchebags!
Thanks for the intelligent discussion...
I think it's great you're leaving.  
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Re: Synchronicity And Fractal Time [Re: Cactilove]
#18027794 - 03/29/13 10:53 AM (11 years, 20 days ago) |
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another poster--forgot name (he has a short name...teknix...?) said something like most people only use half the brain and forget the important part, the imaginative part, that sees more in wholes. I guess this is the chasm where those who seem to deify 'logic' just cannot grasp where the Terrence Mckennas etc are coming from...?
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Re: Synchronicity And Fractal Time [Re: zzripz]
#18027959 - 03/29/13 11:45 AM (11 years, 20 days ago) |
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said something like most people only use half the brain
This is not true. Neurologically healthy people use all their brain all the time. Anyone using their whole brain to think critically would see this.
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Re: Synchronicity And Fractal Time [Re: Diploid]
#18028014 - 03/29/13 12:04 PM (11 years, 20 days ago) |
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did mckenna say even one thing that makes sense except for encouraging people to explore drugs?
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