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Aminita Muscaria var. formosa?
    #1800998 - 08/11/03 10:22 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I didn't think this variety grew at all in illinois but hmm this is a tough one. Looks very much like it is though I mean I have found your typical "Muscaris var. formosa" before, but check these out. I put the pictures on a website which allows for greater image size etc. Gills are white, non-attached, spore print is white and uniform, doesn't really change color when bruised, I even saw a "brother" of this one coming out of a universal veil. I plucked it with veil still slightly attached which you might be able to see. The cap picture is out of focus some but you can still see the typical aminita warts/bread crumbs. I haven't found anywhere to talk to mycologists online so I come to you guys.

My mushies

A picture of var. formosa

Let me know what you all think thanks.


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Re: Aminita Muscaria var. formosa? [Re: hippyhacker]
    #1801556 - 08/11/03 02:07 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

It's possible that your mushroom is Amanita muscaria, but there are enough similar mushrooms to it that I can't say that that one is.

There are some features I'm looking for but I don't see in your photo.

First, note the multiple rings of volval tissue around the stem, especially towards the base. They aren't found in all specimens, but they are one of the best indicators of the species.

Second, In the photo you linked to, you can see that the 2 expanded caps you can see the top of show a striate margin. In your photo there does not appear to be a striate margin.

Third, A. muscaria normally has a conspicuous, skirtlike ring on the stem, as shown well in the photo you linked to. Your specimen clearly shows a partial veil, but it's splitting in such a way as to not leave a ring on the stem. While that's not unheard of in A. muscaria, it is unusual.

Overall, thsoe things lead up to the conclusion that your mushroom could be A. muscaria, but it lacks some of the features that would make the identification easy.

There are a lot of Amanita species that have a yellowish to tan colored cap like that. They aren't easy to tell apart from each other. For A. muscaria, the rings of volval tissue on the stem is a dead giveaway when they're present. When finding these mushrooms, if some have the rings of tissue and others growing in the same spot don't, that can help to identify the ones that are lacking them.

You might also check on species like A. flavoconia, A. frostiana, and A. russuloides.

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Re: Aminita Muscaria var. formosa? [Re: hippyhacker]
    #1801699 - 08/11/03 02:40 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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I haven't found anywhere to talk to mycologists online so I come to you guys. 




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Re: Aminita Muscaria var. formosa? [Re: Fungushungry]
    #1802273 - 08/11/03 05:18 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

That is not Amanita Muscaria var. formosa. I have the same kind growing in my woods, they have yellow warts instead of white ones. They do resemble Amanita Muscaria var. formosa a lot tho.


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Re: Aminita Muscaria var. formosa? [Re: shroomben2003]
    #1802607 - 08/11/03 06:57 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, I don't think so either.


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Re: Aminita Muscaria var. formosa? [Re: Abracadabra]
    #1805033 - 08/12/03 11:31 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I did dig up another one yesterday and it had the volva from the universal veil. Like you said though there doesn't seem to be a ring from the veil attached to the stem. hmmm Also some have white warts but in the picture i found online the wart colors seem to vary not neccessarilly white(link in first post) thats why I questioned it. Anyone have any idea what other genus/species it might be? I didn't think many had the warts feature or universal veil. *shrugs* but again my knowledge is limited.

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Re: Aminita Muscaria var. formosa? [Re: hippyhacker]
    #1805060 - 08/12/03 11:48 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

As I mentioned in the earlier post, there are several Amanita species it could be.

Probably my first guess would be Amanita flavoconia. To be sure we'd need to use a microscope.

Incidentally, Rod Tulloss is in the process of writing up a ton of new species of Amanitas that look something like the one you have that are found in the Northeastern US and eastern Canada. So the genus is still very much in a state of exploration. The point being that it's very possible that your mushroom has not yet been named.

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