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    #18007570 - 03/25/13 08:13 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Depression just a mindset? [Re: thelanzii]
    #18007584 - 03/25/13 08:19 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

I think there is truth and fallacy to this.

Regular day to day depression is just people being sad about their current lives. I.E. - "I work 40 days a week, in a job I hate, with no free time, cause my days off are cleaning and doctor apointments!" (General depression most people face.)

And then their is clinical depression... I.E. - You have all the reasons in the world to be happy, you have free time, enough money, love, family, friends, always have plans, but for some reason you are just extremely depressed, maybe even some suicidal thoughts... it's something you can't shake no matter the resources you use... (Clinical)

Some people are depressed just cause life sucks a lot. Force a smile and move on.
Others are just depressed because their brains are misfiring somewhere. Might need some therapeutic attention.


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Re: Depression just a mindset? [Re: thelanzii]
    #18007618 - 03/25/13 08:29 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

There are two kinds of depression, existential crisis and clinical depression.  The first is all in your head and is largely a result of bourgeois self pitying and emotional immaturity or poor philosophy, the second is purely physical and hard to shake off.  If you have a positive mindset, you can usually slog through a clinical depression without descending into a self-pity spiral, but it will still make you want to sleep more, have low energy/motivation, be more irritable, prone to crying etc.  They've clinically shown that a ketamine trip will reset your brain chemistry and temporarily get rid of clinical depression, I've found that a strong psilocybin trip can do that as well.  Poor diet, lack of exercise, obesity and drug abuse can all contribute to the chemical imbalances that lead to clinical depression.  People with diagnosed mood disorders simply have brains that easily get out of whack and they have to learn to recognize depression at its first signs, (lethargy, lack of appetite, negative/suicidal ideation etc.) and try not to feed the negative thought patterns that will lead to a full blown episode.  Also, even if you're not prone to clinical depression physiologically, if you don't do anything about an existential crisis and spend every day in misery hating your shitty life, eventually it will lead to the chemical depression, even if it started from purely being in your head.  That said, yes, if you have a rock solid personal philosophy and you don't let yourself be victimized, even if you do have a shitty period of time or a propensity for chemical imbalance, you can fight off depression with the power of your mind.


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Re: Depression just a mindset? [Re: RiparianZoneJunky]
    #18007633 - 03/25/13 08:34 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks for the responses.  I want to help my friend out with his depression.  Although he may have actual chemical depression, I feel like giving him some suggestions as to what has helped me when I am down would not hurt.


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Re: Depression just a mindset? [Re: thelanzii]
    #18007691 - 03/25/13 08:57 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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Nemmies said:
Thanks for the responses.  I want to help my friend out with his depression.  Although he may have actual chemical depression, I feel like giving him some suggestions as to what has helped me when I am down would not hurt.




Thich Nhat Hahn's Being Peace is a good book as an introduction to buddhist philosophy, it's a quick easy read that has helped me out in times of trouble.  Get your friend to read that and then trip on 5g dried cubenis alone in the dark and they will be done feeling sorry for themselves by the next day. :lol:


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Re: Depression just a mindset? [Re: RiparianZoneJunky]
    #18007727 - 03/25/13 09:10 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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There are two kinds of depression, existential crisis and clinical depression.  The first is all in your head and is largely a result of bourgeois self pitying and emotional immaturity or poor philosophy, the second is purely physical and hard to shake off.  If you have a positive mindset, you can usually slog through a clinical depression without descending into a self-pity spiral, but it will still make you want to sleep more, have low energy/motivation, be more irritable, prone to crying etc.  They've clinically shown that a ketamine trip will reset your brain chemistry and temporarily get rid of clinical depression, I've found that a strong psilocybin trip can do that as well.  Poor diet, lack of exercise, obesity and drug abuse can all contribute to the chemical imbalances that lead to clinical depression.  People with diagnosed mood disorders simply have brains that easily get out of whack and they have to learn to recognize depression at its first signs, (lethargy, lack of appetite, negative/suicidal ideation etc.) and try not to feed the negative thought patterns that will lead to a full blown episode.  Also, even if you're not prone to clinical depression physiologically, if you don't do anything about an existential crisis and spend every day in misery hating your shitty life, eventually it will lead to the chemical depression, even if it started from purely being in your head.  That said, yes, if you have a rock solid personal philosophy and you don't let yourself be victimized, even if you do have a shitty period of time or a propensity for chemical imbalance, you can fight off depression with the power of your mind.




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Re: Depression just a mindset? [Re: RiparianZoneJunky]
    #18008014 - 03/25/13 10:57 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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akumushi said:
There are two kinds of depression, existential crisis and clinical depression.  The first is all in your head and is largely a result of bourgeois self pitying and emotional immaturity or poor philosophy, the second is purely physical and hard to shake off.  If you have a positive mindset, you can usually slog through a clinical depression without descending into a self-pity spiral, but it will still make you want to sleep more, have low energy/motivation, be more irritable, prone to crying etc.  They've clinically shown that a ketamine trip will reset your brain chemistry and temporarily get rid of clinical depression, I've found that a strong psilocybin trip can do that as well.  Poor diet, lack of exercise, obesity and drug abuse can all contribute to the chemical imbalances that lead to clinical depression.  People with diagnosed mood disorders simply have brains that easily get out of whack and they have to learn to recognize depression at its first signs, (lethargy, lack of appetite, negative/suicidal ideation etc.) and try not to feed the negative thought patterns that will lead to a full blown episode.  Also, even if you're not prone to clinical depression physiologically, if you don't do anything about an existential crisis and spend every day in misery hating your shitty life, eventually it will lead to the chemical depression, even if it started from purely being in your head.  That said, yes, if you have a rock solid personal philosophy and you don't let yourself be victimized, even if you do have a shitty period of time or a propensity for chemical imbalance, you can fight off depression with the power of your mind.




Agree with 95% of this. The only thing I disagree with is the "positive mindset". I think a huge part of being mentally healthy is to ALLOW yourself to be sad; but have strong enough mental capacity to not let it turn into depression.

Sadness isn't inherently good or bad. If you watch a sad movie; listen to a sad song, you get sad. If you lose your job, someone close to you dies you get sad. That's okay. It's when your sadness escalates.

I feel like depression far more than anything is a LACK of emotion. You feel sadness 24/7 (well depending on degree). The way to NOT be depressed is to let yourself be emotional. That includes happiness. That includes sadness.

When I was coming out of depression, I've found that I got far more sad at times than I ever did in depression. But I ALSO got happy. I actually experienced a wide range of emotions.

I think depression is when you stop experiencing the full human experience, and just feel moderately sad all the time.


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Re: Depression just a mindset? [Re: RiparianZoneJunky]
    #18008051 - 03/25/13 11:08 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

ill check it out.  Ill reccomend it to him as well.  i gave him around 5gs for his first trip.  Hes a big guy but he was very pleased with the experience.


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Re: Depression just a mindset? [Re: thelanzii]
    #18008174 - 03/25/13 11:45 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, depression, either physiological or not, can be fought off with a strong philosophy . But, I think a lot of people develop philosophies using the depression as center for truth, then complain about always being depressed. Yeah, you can learn gain a good amount of clarity from depression in regards to the world and yourself, but with those realizations, you don't have to be stuck in turmoil. If you want to be happy, regardless of your situation or past, if you fight for it with courage and concentrate, you can find it.


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Re: Depression just a mindset? [Re: Shroomerited] * 1
    #18008208 - 03/25/13 11:52 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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Shroomerited said:

Agree with 95% of this. The only thing I disagree with is the "positive mindset". I think a huge part of being mentally healthy is to ALLOW yourself to be sad; but have strong enough mental capacity to not let it turn into depression.

Sadness isn't inherently good or bad. If you watch a sad movie; listen to a sad song, you get sad. If you lose your job, someone close to you dies you get sad. That's okay. It's when your sadness escalates.

I feel like depression far more than anything is a LACK of emotion. You feel sadness 24/7 (well depending on degree). The way to NOT be depressed is to let yourself be emotional. That includes happiness. That includes sadness.

When I was coming out of depression, I've found that I got far more sad at times than I ever did in depression. But I ALSO got happy. I actually experienced a wide range of emotions.

I think depression is when you stop experiencing the full human experience, and just feel moderately sad all the time.




When I say positive mindset I don't mean a Pollyanna-ish mindset of bullshit magical thinking that precludes being sad, I just mean that you don't dwell on the negative side of everything or give in to the pessimism that your life is irrevocably shitty and you're powerless in the grand scheme of things, which is what tends to occur when one starts to get depressed.  There's nothing wrong with properly mourning your losses, feeling sad when something awful has happened and crying from a good book or film, those are all within the healthy spectrum of human emotions, but you must always know that things can get better if you work at it, that things are always worse for someone else, that there is a light and dark component to everything we experience, and that if you strive to learn and grow from life's difficulties, anything can be used to make you a stronger, better person. 

In other words, sadness is very healthy, self-pity is not.  Even if they're dying of cancer, positive minded people can use what little time they have left to make amends, do a little good in the world, spend time with their loved ones and find some kind of meaning and peace with their life and death before the end, even if they're terribly sad to say goodbye, whereas negative minded people sit and wallow in the unfairness of life until the bitter end, estranging themselves from others with anger and bitterness, clinging to self pity and illusion and dying completely alone and in desperate fear, unprepared to face their own mortality. 

Depression crosses the line from regular sadness to a narcissistic level of dwelling in one's own misery, pitying oneself obsessively and becoming jailed in the solipsism of anguish.  I had long periods of depression from my teens to my mid twenties, and the only way I got beyond it was changing the way I viewed life.  I know from experience that there is no one more self-involved and petty as somebody in the throes of depression.  A strong sense of humility, compassion and a positive outlook on life can help stave off these destructive thought patterns, even in the darkest times.  Sure, you'll get sad, but you'll do something positive and constructive with your sadness instead of letting it eat away at you like a cancer.


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Re: Depression just a mindset? [Re: thelanzii]
    #18008259 - 03/25/13 12:03 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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Nemmies said:
I know this may sound odd but I feel like depression is just a mindset.  After learning all about it in psych it basically seems like depression can be diagnosed with symptoms that everyone faces in everyday life or at sometime during their life.  I feel like happiness is simply a choice.  Depression does not make sense in a non civilized society.  If you have to constantly fend for your survival, how can you sit around moping all day?




It's a mindset with neurophysiological correlates which can become ingrained and benefit from medication.


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