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vatman
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Re: Trichocereus Growers Unite! [Re: El Torcho]
#24618316 - 09/10/17 01:43 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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What is the best grafting guide for seedlings?
I have been searching the forums here and youtube.
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Re: Trichocereus Growers Unite! [Re: vatman]
#24618654 - 09/10/17 03:51 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Here's a link to the method I use>>>>https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19711421#19711421
That entire thread is full of grafting gold.
Lots of variations of grafting teks but the basics are to have actively growing scion and stock. Use fresh, supple growth to graft to. Sterilise your equipment and provide the correct after care ie: High humidity environment.
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vatman
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Re: Trichocereus Growers Unite! [Re: karode13]
#24618784 - 09/10/17 04:53 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Intresting and I would wonder how to do it on pere without thorns. When I apply pressure with my grafts I tend to knock over the seedling.
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Re: Trichocereus Growers Unite! [Re: vatman] 1
#24618797 - 09/10/17 05:02 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Trichocereus Growers Unite! [Re: vatman]
#24618889 - 09/10/17 05:57 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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vatman said: Intresting and I would wonder how to do it on pere without thorns. When I apply pressure with my grafts I tend to knock over the seedling.
Can you clarify what you mean by "how to do it on pere without thorns."?
You only have to apply enough pressure to keep the cut edges close together to form callus tissue. If they're toppling head-over-heels then maybe try making the scion hieght a bit shorter. I found using cling wrap caps made my life a lot easier than trying to fiddle with tiny seedlings with hands like mine.
What up ferrel! 
What's that one pupping on the left? It's got a purty pup.
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Re: Trichocereus Growers Unite! [Re: karode13]
#24618925 - 09/10/17 06:09 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Once fitted pull down on the cap ends, putting pressure on the scion and then push the excess wrap against the pereskiopsis keeping pressure so it fixes itself to the spines and glochids. Don't be a pussy, they're only glochids
Sounds like you want the wrap to stick to the spides/glochids
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Re: Trichocereus Growers Unite! [Re: vatman] 2
#24618950 - 09/10/17 06:22 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Put some in the big raised bed today, can't wait to see them take off with all that room!

.... just incase you didint see it.. Two varieties of Peruvians finally puttin on some good growth

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Re: Trichocereus Growers Unite! [Re: karode13]
#24619006 - 09/10/17 06:46 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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What up ferrel! 
What's that one pupping on the left? It's got a purty pup.
Its an abandoned peruvianus. Got it years ago. Cut the top off. And just threw the giant cut in my back yard. I jad forgotten about it till i started picking up the beer cans.
It is nice isnt it?
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Re: Trichocereus Growers Unite! [Re: vatman]
#24619141 - 09/10/17 07:54 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think I know the peruvianus you're talking of. It is nice.
Same with Lostsmiles peruvianus. They with be breath taking in a few years, even after this growing season. Very nice spination!
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Once fitted pull down on the cap ends, putting pressure on the scion and then push the excess wrap against the pereskiopsis keeping pressure so it fixes itself to the spines and glochids. Don't be a pussy, they're only glochids
Sounds like you want the wrap to stick to the spides/glochids
I get you now. Yeah, the cling film fixes to the spines or glochids. Leaving the glochids is fine enough, the film fixes to it like velcro. You could improvise with a clothes peg, or similar clip. I've seen people use this instead of fixing to spines/glochids.
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Re: Trichocereus Growers Unite! [Re: karode13]
#24619246 - 09/10/17 08:44 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Or try a humidity tray. Slice the top. Place your seedling on top of said peres and let the humidity do the rest. Way easier ime.
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I could never master using just a humidity dome. I'd get maybe 60% to take. Most partially lifting on one side. Using cling film upped it to like 90-99%, from memory, with great connections.
Many ways to graft the proverbial cactus isn't there.
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Re: Trichocereus Growers Unite! [Re: karode13]
#24619557 - 09/10/17 11:43 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think ill give a closepin a shot with this method. Most of my pere have next to no spines.
I have been using some leafs I trim off to act as a glue. I break them and squeeze their inner slime onto the cut. I find this helps keep the cut moist while I cut the seedling and act as a holding agent. Is this bad practice? I've seen people from Thai videos doing this.
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Re: Trichocereus Growers Unite! [Re: vatman]
#24619661 - 09/11/17 01:18 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pereskiopsis sap is fine to use. I tend to cut the pereskiopsis,then cut a thin slice again, forming a little peres biscuit. The biscuit sits on top while I prepare the scion. Then lift the biscuit and place scion on top. I can prepare a dozen+ stock plants this way. Handy when doing lots.
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Re: Trichocereus Growers Unite! [Re: karode13]
#24619839 - 09/11/17 04:40 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's the way I do it now too since I saw it in a youtube video from some biologist / botanist woman Works well cause otherwise it is hard to do everything fast without having it dry out etc.
What kind of age is good for placing Trich seedlings away from fluorescent lighting and under metal halide? (Or from out of the shade into the sun for you outdoor growers I guess)... and I assume gradually building up hours of intense light just like with grafts?
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Re: Trichocereus Growers Unite! [Re: Solipsis] 1
#24620830 - 09/11/17 01:55 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Currently my biggest bridgesii in the collection
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Re: Trichocereus Growers Unite! [Re: Lostsmiles]
#24621038 - 09/11/17 03:10 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm liking the Datura forest in the background.
Bridgesii are always nice. Honey brown eyes, er, I mean, spines...
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Re: Trichocereus Growers Unite! [Re: karode13]
#24621287 - 09/11/17 04:30 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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karode13 said: I'm liking the Datura forest in the background.
Bridgesii are always nice. Honey brown eyes, er, I mean, spines...
Hah yeah man that's one plant!! It's MASSIVE, and i didn't pant it came in with some bird shit or somethin. It's growing over some of my plants that need shade too, worked out just rite ...oh the notorious whispering brown eye.... *pppphtphtphtpht*
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Re: Trichocereus Growers Unite! [Re: Lostsmiles]
#24621968 - 09/11/17 07:59 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lostsmiles said: Currently my biggest bridgesii in the collection

Seed grown?
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Re: Trichocereus Growers Unite! [Re: ferrel_human] 1
#24622141 - 09/11/17 08:56 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lostsmiles said: Currently my biggest bridgesii in the collection

Seed grown? 
Yep! I think it came from one of my first trades on the shroomery.
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Re: Trichocereus Growers Unite! [Re: Lostsmiles]
#24622616 - 09/12/17 01:42 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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i know bad picture. are these legit as described? good deal?? thanks. (a mix of genetically different San Pedros (Echinopsis pachanoi) & Peruvian Torches (Echinopsis peruviana 12/40$)
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