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During incubation NO light
    #18004466 - 03/24/13 03:51 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

This is part of Pf tek V2 it give me the idea that there should be light during incubation instead of total darkness IM LOST any thought or comment would be greatly appreciated

After inoculation of the jars, tighten the lid bands and retape the needle holes. Place the jars in a safe place out of direct sunlight. Indirect light is all that is required

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Re: During incubation NO light [Re: joboy]
    #18004474 - 03/24/13 03:53 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I don't think it should matter dude, totaly darkness is better for almost fully colonized ones since it may trigger pinning. but even that doesn't matter. mine colonize in well lit areas, just due to other variables

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Re: During incubation NO light [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #18004503 - 03/24/13 04:01 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks Bro, but im taking about right after knocking up a jar should it be in total darkness and if so taking a peek once a day for a few minute in the light have any effect?

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Re: During incubation NO light [Re: joboy]
    #18004508 - 03/24/13 04:03 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Thanks Bro, but im taking about right after knocking up a jar should it be in total darkness and if so taking a peek once a day for a few minute in the light have any effect?




I just don't think it matters at all at any point, except fruiting.

someone will correct me if im wrong :wink:

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Re: During incubation NO light [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #18004549 - 03/24/13 04:11 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

@ OP - Some people say that ambient lighting is good for colonizing (just after incubation). Some say it doesn't matter really.
I have a few dozen BRF cakes going right now. 1 dozen in total darkness the other 2 dozen in ambient light. They all seem to do close to the same.
I wouldn't put them in direct sunlight tho.

I say, doesn't really matter.

Edited by illumi.naughty87 (03/24/13 04:19 PM)

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Re: During incubation NO light [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #18004560 - 03/24/13 04:12 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

indirect light is beneficial to mycelium in all stages of growth. complete blackness is old school

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Re: During incubation NO light [Re: Ostridge]
    #18004566 - 03/24/13 04:14 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Jars/bags/tubs/trays should colonize @ room temperature getting ambient/indirect light.

Main pinning triggers are full colonization, FAE and Evaporation off of the substrate.

Light is a secondary pinning trigger. For tropical species temperature is not a pinning factor.

P. Cubensis are a tropical species. You could colonize at 70F and fruit at 80F with great results.

Light has been proven beneficial during all stages of mycellium growth. Mushrooms like mammals have a circadian rhythm.

You want ambient/indirect light(on a 12/12 schedule preferably) for colonization and consolidation.

You want direct/intense 6500K light on a 12/12 schedule for fruiting.

Optimal temps are mid 70s throughout the whole grow, but anywhere from 70F-80F is acceptable.

Incubation is outdated/uneeded unless temps in the range stated above cannot be kept.

The inside of the jar is always a few degrees warmer than the outside because the mycellium produces heat..mycellium tends to stall at temps above 86F , and contams thrive.

Fruiting at cooler temps tends to produce denser, meatier fruits, while fruiting at higher temps will often produce hollow, less dense stems.

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Re: During incubation NO light [Re: PussyFart]
    #18004576 - 03/24/13 04:15 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: During incubation NO light [Re: PussyFart]
    #18004585 - 03/24/13 04:17 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

thanks dude!

nice info :mushroom2:

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Re: During incubation NO light [Re: illumi.naughty87]
    #18004591 - 03/24/13 04:17 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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I wouldn't put them in direct sunlight tho.

I say, doesn't really matter.




It helps the mycelium get on a circadian rhythm which is very beneficial.
Mushrooms grow best when you imitate the habitat they have evolved to love.


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Re: During incubation NO light [Re: PussyFart]
    #18004615 - 03/24/13 04:21 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

NAH, you beat me to it. I really should start reading through the posts that get made while I'm posting, before I post. :tongue:


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Re: During incubation NO light [Re: Meno]
    #18004625 - 03/24/13 04:23 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: During incubation NO light [Re: Meno]
    #18004645 - 03/24/13 04:26 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Logic says direct sunlight is natural and is what they evolved to live with so it is good for them. However a google search using keywords "direct sunlight mycelium" shows that everyone says direct sunlight is bad for your jars/trays.

Trichoderma likes direct sunlight.

EDIT: upon more research, i see that Roger Rabbit suggests that 15 minutes a day of direct sunlight to develop a good pinset.
Can you post a link to anything that advises people to use any amount of direct sunlight for incubation/colonization?

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Re: During incubation NO light [Re: illumi.naughty87]
    #18004717 - 03/24/13 04:37 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Everyone as in the links that are around 10 years old when people were still following Stamet's "no light during colonization" advice from TMC.

Not trying to sound disrespectful, just responding.

I colonize with direct and sometimes ambient lighting, with no difference between the two.

EDIT:
Just read your edit, :grin: I can't seem to find anything off the top of my search (I know I bookmarked a page or two among my 1200+ bookmarks :rolleyes: I'll try and find it/them).
As of now, all I have to present is my own experimentation :shrug:.


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Re: During incubation NO light [Re: Meno]
    #18004760 - 03/24/13 04:44 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

No problems. I am not gonna get in the ole no light vs ambient light thing. I have had success in darkness, though, I prefer ambient light, so we can agree on that.
All i'm getting at is the direct sunlight thing... Which, you quoted that part and said "Mushrooms grow best when you imitate the habitat they have evolved to love.". So I am led to believe that are suggesting direct sunlight???

EDIT: Sorry no point in another post. Just wanted to say, I love this forum for what just happened on this thread.

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Re: During incubation NO light [Re: illumi.naughty87]
    #18004838 - 03/24/13 05:01 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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A little light leakage during the dark period is OK.  It's not like growing pot where small amounts cause hermies.

Mushrooms operate on a circadian rhythm just like humans.  It's best to give them light when the temperature is also increasing.  A day/night schedule of light and temperature increase/decrease works best.  Your light schedule doesn't 'have' to be 12/12, but the experience gained from many thousands of grows shows that to be best.

Use a 'natural daylight' fluorescent lamp for best results, if your daylight from a window isn't bright enough.  Contrary to bad advice given elsewhere, enough light to see with isn't nearly enough light for good performance.  A little direct sunlight each day is great too.  There's a lot of old myths about mushrooms 'growing in the dark', 'any old light will do', 'colonize in darkness', etc., that just won't die despite being totally incorrect for those of us who want best performance from all our hard work.
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Re: During incubation NO light [Re: first time expert]
    #18004888 - 03/24/13 05:09 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Funny that just about any dispute on the shroomery can be solved with a quote from RR. :grin:

Good work first time expert! (that dog is scary)

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Re: During incubation NO light [Re: Ostridge]
    #18004907 - 03/24/13 05:14 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

YOU GUY'S ARE MUSHROOM GOD'S Thanks so much for the input now I can get back to reading and stop beating my head off the walls !!!!!!!!!

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Re: During incubation NO light [Re: illumi.naughty87]
    #18005086 - 03/24/13 05:47 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Funny that just about any dispute on the shroomery can be solved with a quote from RR. :grin:




That's just because everybody rides his dick so hard they're getting a mouthful of his pubes.

IMO, RR makes most things way too difficult, while taking credit for things he didn't come up with.


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Re: During incubation NO light [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #18005250 - 03/24/13 06:22 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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IMO, RR makes most things way too difficult, while taking credit for things he didn't come up with.



Got any proof to back up that statement?

I doubt he has plagiarized much.

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Re: During incubation NO light [Re: PussyFart]
    #18005283 - 03/24/13 06:30 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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IMO, RR makes most things way too difficult, while taking credit for things he didn't come up with.



Got any proof to back up that statement?

I doubt he has plagiarized much.




Got any proof to say otherwise? Everything in his videos, and all the TEKs he suggests have been done by other people before. I don't have links, but I remember seeing it from that long ago. The laundry basket TEK might actually be his. That's about it.

I'll give him credit on his knowledge of the inner workings of the higher fungi, but that's really just a matter of doing a lot of reading.


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Re: During incubation NO light [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #18005314 - 03/24/13 06:39 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I am talking about proof where he claims he came up with those methods, where he really didn't.

TL made a G2G in a SAB tek, does that mean he came up with the idea?

No. It means he is showing you his technique, and nothing more.

Unless RR came out and said, I created PF Tek, he didn't steal anything, just expressed the way he does it in video form.

Now I have no idea if what u say is true or not, but that is an awfully bold statement to make, to a man who has dedicated his life to the subject matter.

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Re: During incubation NO light [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #18005341 - 03/24/13 06:44 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Quote:

illumi.naughty87 said:
Funny that just about any dispute on the shroomery can be solved with a quote from RR. :grin:




That's just because everybody rides his dick so hard they're getting a mouthful of his pubes.

IMO, RR makes most things way too difficult, while taking credit for things he didn't come up with.




#1 bet u dont have your own mushroom farm.

#2 bet u dont have your own series of mushroom growing dvd's.

#3 bet u havent been growing mushrooms for a living.

#4 bet u dont know what the fuk your talking about!!

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Re: During incubation NO light [Re: illumi.naughty87]
    #18005360 - 03/24/13 06:47 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Logic says direct sunlight is natural and is what they evolved to live with so it is good for them.




Logic doesn't say they evolved to live with direct sunlight under a cow patty.

Quote:

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Trichoderma likes direct sunlight.




No, it doesn't.  In years past some people thought it actually killed trichoderma, but it doesn't.  However, you always find trich covered logs in the shade of the forest, not direct sunlight.

Quote:

illumi.naughty87 said:i see that Roger Rabbit suggests that 15 minutes a day of direct sunlight to develop a good pinset.
Can you post a link to anything that advises people to use any amount of direct sunlight for incubation/colonization?




Never use direct sunlight during colonization.  The mycelium will pull back from it and invitro pins will form before full colonization, usually stopping colonization at that point.

Light requirements of mushrooms.
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Re: During incubation NO light [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #18005383 - 03/24/13 06:52 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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illumi.naughty87 said:
Funny that just about any dispute on the shroomery can be solved with a quote from RR. :grin:




That's just because everybody rides his dick so hard they're getting a mouthful of his pubes.

IMO, RR makes most things way too difficult, while taking credit for things he didn't come up with.




I'd like a link to something I've taken credit for that I didn't come up with.  In fact, you'll be hard pressed to find where I've taken credit for anything.  :shrug:

As for your other comment, keep that in OTD please.  It's off topic in cultivation.
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Re: During incubation NO light [Re: first time expert]
    #18005430 - 03/24/13 07:03 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Damn!
This thread is going all over the place. Seriously WHO GIVES A F*CK!!!

Isn't this forum based on other people research, failures, personal opinions and victories?

Who cares what ONE persons opinion is of RR? I like the guy myself, even if he just proved a few things I said to be false (not surprisingly, all but the one I quoted from him). He is VERY knowledgeable.

RR spreads good info, whether it is his own or not. Anybody on this forum who discusses plagiarism is crazy cakes, this is a collective, it IS a forum.

ERRbody.........BOOBS! :jiggletits:

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Re: During incubation NO light [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #18005465 - 03/24/13 07:09 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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#1 bet u dont have your own mushroom farm.




Currently, no. At one point, yes, me and a friend did have a mushroom farm in Ohio. It dissolved because of personal issues.

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#2 bet u dont have your own series of mushroom growing dvd's.




No, I don't. But that doesn't mean much. I also don't try to make a profit from information that I didn't even come up with.

If I did have my own series of DVDs, I'd keep the consumer in mind a little more and keep them cheap.

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#3 bet u havent been growing mushrooms for a living.




Oh, only for about the past 4 years....

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#4 bet u dont know what the fuk your talking about!!




Bet I do.

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TALK SHIT ABOUT YOUR SELF DUDE




Nah, I'm good. That seems kinda stupid.

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I'd like a link to something I've taken credit for that I didn't come up with.  In fact, you'll be hard pressed to find where I've taken credit for anything.  :shrug:




I've seen it a million times where you're bitching about people stealing your work from the videos. I'm sure you don't need a link to remember any of those times.

Honestly, man, you do give good advice. It will always work. But sometimes you just make things too technical, when we're dealing with a bunch of people who can't even get the PF TEK right. A lot of my annoyance comes from the fact that everyone else quotes you as gospel, which is why you've never gotten a PM from me bitching, you've just seen me tell other members to get off your nuts.


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Re: During incubation NO light [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #18005481 - 03/24/13 07:14 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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I've seen it a million times where you're bitching about people stealing your work from the videos. I'm sure you don't need a link to remember any of those times.




Never.  Lying will get you nowhere. Anyone can quote and use the video as they see fit.  If you think someone growing a fat straw log or agar isolation after seeing it on the video and posting it is stealing my work you're mistaken.  I'm honored when they do that.
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Re: During incubation NO light [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #18005520 - 03/24/13 07:24 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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illumi.naughty87 said:i see that Roger Rabbit suggests that 15 minutes a day of direct sunlight to develop a good pinset.
Can you post a link to anything that advises people to use any amount of direct sunlight for incubation/colonization?




Never use direct sunlight during colonization.  The mycelium will pull back from it and invitro pins will form before full colonization, usually stopping colonization at that point.

Light requirements of mushrooms.
RR




Wow RR, I was completely wrong and will admit it openly.
Thanks for clearing that up.
I've never had a problem with invirtro pins by exposing them to direct lighting as stated before. But you do have more experience under your belt. So I'll take your word for it.


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Re: During incubation NO light [Re: Meno]
    #18005549 - 03/24/13 07:31 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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direct lighting




Don't confuse direct lighting with direct sunlight.  If there's a light on the ceiling during colonization, that's a good thing.  If the curtains are closed but there's some leakage that's good too.  Just don't have the window or curtains open to direct sunlight until fruiting time.
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Re: During incubation NO light [Re: joboy]
    #18005567 - 03/24/13 07:34 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I have recently tested this. I Did the test with 5 jars. 1st jar: direct light with heat pad. 2nd jar: direct light no heat pad. 3rd jar: indirect light with heat pad. 4th jar: indirect light no heat pad. 5th jar: (control jar) total darkness room temp.  Jars 1 & 3 showed significant signs of myc growth 4 days after inoculation. 2 days later jars 2&4  showed signs of growth. Another 2 days later jar 5 showed growth. Once jars 1&3 reached the size of a nickle growth stopped. Jars 2&4 reached quarter size then stopped. Jar 5 grew steady to 100%. Temps on jars 1-4 were between 78 & 81 degrees Fahrenheit (never higher or lower). Heat on jars 1&3 was indirect with a buffer (1/4" insulating foam) between jars & heat pad. Jar 5 temps were 74 - 76 degrees Fahrenheit. Light source was 2800k. Cakes were BRF/vermiculite. Heat pad was part of a germination dome kit. All jars were 4oz. Since this was my first go at growing I used smaller jars & 1/2 cc noc. The other 7 jars were run as jar 5 was. Harvested 3 cakes a few days ago & got 1g each dried. The other 4 cakes will harvest soon. I now have 12 8oz jars at roughly 50% in total darkness (6 Blue Meanie & 6 GT).  Don't know if any of this data will be useful but there it is. I will be doing another round of testing with 8oz jars. I will be adjusting the variables, eg.. the buffer, 6500k light, self ground BRF, etc. after my current 8oz'ers go into the tub. Oddly, I have more fun running the tests than I do with the actual growing.. lol.

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Re: During incubation NO light [Re: kipper667]
    #18006200 - 03/24/13 10:18 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Welcome to the Shroomery! I love to see people gathering data like this - keep up the good work.

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Re: During incubation NO light [Re: joboy]
    #18006269 - 03/24/13 10:37 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I have been using a rope light on a 12/12 cycle when jars are 1/3 colonized. They also get some sunlight when checked each day. This seems to work rather well, but I have had great success prior to this with total darkness.  I feel the rhythm of the 12/12 seems to be more natural IMO and makes sense.

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