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joboy
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During incubation NO light
#18004466 - 03/24/13 03:51 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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This is part of Pf tek V2 it give me the idea that there should be light during incubation instead of total darkness IM LOST any thought or comment would be greatly appreciated
After inoculation of the jars, tighten the lid bands and retape the needle holes. Place the jars in a safe place out of direct sunlight. Indirect light is all that is required
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Re: During incubation NO light [Re: joboy]
#18004474 - 03/24/13 03:53 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don't think it should matter dude, totaly darkness is better for almost fully colonized ones since it may trigger pinning. but even that doesn't matter. mine colonize in well lit areas, just due to other variables
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joboy
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Thanks Bro, but im taking about right after knocking up a jar should it be in total darkness and if so taking a peek once a day for a few minute in the light have any effect?
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Re: During incubation NO light [Re: joboy]
#18004508 - 03/24/13 04:03 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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joboy said: Thanks Bro, but im taking about right after knocking up a jar should it be in total darkness and if so taking a peek once a day for a few minute in the light have any effect?
I just don't think it matters at all at any point, except fruiting.
someone will correct me if im wrong
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illumi.naughty87
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@ OP - Some people say that ambient lighting is good for colonizing (just after incubation). Some say it doesn't matter really. I have a few dozen BRF cakes going right now. 1 dozen in total darkness the other 2 dozen in ambient light. They all seem to do close to the same. I wouldn't put them in direct sunlight tho.
I say, doesn't really matter.
Edited by illumi.naughty87 (03/24/13 04:19 PM)
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indirect light is beneficial to mycelium in all stages of growth. complete blackness is old school
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Re: During incubation NO light [Re: Ostridge]
#18004566 - 03/24/13 04:14 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Jars/bags/tubs/trays should colonize @ room temperature getting ambient/indirect light.
Main pinning triggers are full colonization, FAE and Evaporation off of the substrate.
Light is a secondary pinning trigger. For tropical species temperature is not a pinning factor.
P. Cubensis are a tropical species. You could colonize at 70F and fruit at 80F with great results.
Light has been proven beneficial during all stages of mycellium growth. Mushrooms like mammals have a circadian rhythm.
You want ambient/indirect light(on a 12/12 schedule preferably) for colonization and consolidation.
You want direct/intense 6500K light on a 12/12 schedule for fruiting.
Optimal temps are mid 70s throughout the whole grow, but anywhere from 70F-80F is acceptable.
Incubation is outdated/uneeded unless temps in the range stated above cannot be kept.
The inside of the jar is always a few degrees warmer than the outside because the mycellium produces heat..mycellium tends to stall at temps above 86F , and contams thrive.
Fruiting at cooler temps tends to produce denser, meatier fruits, while fruiting at higher temps will often produce hollow, less dense stems.
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Re: During incubation NO light [Re: PussyFart]
#18004576 - 03/24/13 04:15 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: During incubation NO light [Re: PussyFart]
#18004585 - 03/24/13 04:17 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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thanks dude!
nice info
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illumi.naughty87 said: I wouldn't put them in direct sunlight tho.
I say, doesn't really matter.
It helps the mycelium get on a circadian rhythm which is very beneficial. Mushrooms grow best when you imitate the habitat they have evolved to love.
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Re: During incubation NO light [Re: PussyFart]
#18004615 - 03/24/13 04:21 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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NAH, you beat me to it. I really should start reading through the posts that get made while I'm posting, before I post.
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Re: During incubation NO light [Re: Meno]
#18004625 - 03/24/13 04:23 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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THIS HOBBY IS NOT FOR THE IMPATIENT! PLEASE BE PATIENT, DON'T BE A PATIENT!
A Tale of 10 Isolates, GT Cluster Clone Monotubs, RR's Let's Grow Mushrooms DVD,
SGFC(Shotgun Fruiting Chamber), Monotub Tek, Damion5050's Coir Tek, TL's Tek List, Frank's Tek List,
EvilMushroom666's Pasteurization Tek, How It Should & Shouldn't Look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE
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Re: During incubation NO light [Re: Meno]
#18004645 - 03/24/13 04:26 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Logic says direct sunlight is natural and is what they evolved to live with so it is good for them. However a google search using keywords "direct sunlight mycelium" shows that everyone says direct sunlight is bad for your jars/trays.
Trichoderma likes direct sunlight.
EDIT: upon more research, i see that Roger Rabbit suggests that 15 minutes a day of direct sunlight to develop a good pinset. Can you post a link to anything that advises people to use any amount of direct sunlight for incubation/colonization?
Edited by illumi.naughty87 (03/24/13 04:36 PM)
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Everyone as in the links that are around 10 years old when people were still following Stamet's "no light during colonization" advice from TMC.
Not trying to sound disrespectful, just responding.
I colonize with direct and sometimes ambient lighting, with no difference between the two.
EDIT: Just read your edit, I can't seem to find anything off the top of my search (I know I bookmarked a page or two among my 1200+ bookmarks I'll try and find it/them). As of now, all I have to present is my own experimentation .
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Edited by Meno (03/24/13 04:43 PM)
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Re: During incubation NO light [Re: Meno]
#18004760 - 03/24/13 04:44 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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No problems. I am not gonna get in the ole no light vs ambient light thing. I have had success in darkness, though, I prefer ambient light, so we can agree on that. All i'm getting at is the direct sunlight thing... Which, you quoted that part and said "Mushrooms grow best when you imitate the habitat they have evolved to love.". So I am led to believe that are suggesting direct sunlight???
EDIT: Sorry no point in another post. Just wanted to say, I love this forum for what just happened on this thread.
Edited by illumi.naughty87 (03/24/13 04:52 PM)
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RogerRabbit said: A little light leakage during the dark period is OK. It's not like growing pot where small amounts cause hermies.
Mushrooms operate on a circadian rhythm just like humans. It's best to give them light when the temperature is also increasing. A day/night schedule of light and temperature increase/decrease works best. Your light schedule doesn't 'have' to be 12/12, but the experience gained from many thousands of grows shows that to be best.
Use a 'natural daylight' fluorescent lamp for best results, if your daylight from a window isn't bright enough. Contrary to bad advice given elsewhere, enough light to see with isn't nearly enough light for good performance. A little direct sunlight each day is great too. There's a lot of old myths about mushrooms 'growing in the dark', 'any old light will do', 'colonize in darkness', etc., that just won't die despite being totally incorrect for those of us who want best performance from all our hard work. RR
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Funny that just about any dispute on the shroomery can be solved with a quote from RR. 
Good work first time expert! (that dog is scary)
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Re: During incubation NO light [Re: Ostridge]
#18004907 - 03/24/13 05:14 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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YOU GUY'S ARE MUSHROOM GOD'S Thanks so much for the input now I can get back to reading and stop beating my head off the walls !!!!!!!!!
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Quote:
illumi.naughty87 said: Funny that just about any dispute on the shroomery can be solved with a quote from RR. 
That's just because everybody rides his dick so hard they're getting a mouthful of his pubes.
IMO, RR makes most things way too difficult, while taking credit for things he didn't come up with.
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Re: During incubation NO light [Re: 36fuckin5]
#18005250 - 03/24/13 06:22 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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36fuckin5 said: IMO, RR makes most things way too difficult, while taking credit for things he didn't come up with.
Got any proof to back up that statement?
I doubt he has plagiarized much.
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THIS HOBBY IS NOT FOR THE IMPATIENT! PLEASE BE PATIENT, DON'T BE A PATIENT!
A Tale of 10 Isolates, GT Cluster Clone Monotubs, RR's Let's Grow Mushrooms DVD,
SGFC(Shotgun Fruiting Chamber), Monotub Tek, Damion5050's Coir Tek, TL's Tek List, Frank's Tek List,
EvilMushroom666's Pasteurization Tek, How It Should & Shouldn't Look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE
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