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    #17997017 - 03/22/13 11:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I've been wanting to grow this for a while and stumbled across one in the gourmet section of a local store.  Cloned it on both LMEA and BRF agar.

It took readily to both and in fact pinned like crazy on the BRF. 

I grew it on millet.  Just for fun.  I had some extra laying around.  Then I GTG'd the millet to rye.  Then to sawdust enriched with bran.

I did not case these because the grows I have seen have fatter stems on uncased subs.  So far, my stems don't look terribly fat.  Still, I am pleased overall.  1 bag out of two is fruiting; the other is moving more slowly and hasn't pinned. 

They are in a Martha with some Kings and seem to like that environment - humid and probably higher C02 than oysters would tolerate. 

Anyway, here is some a. aegerita porn from the start!















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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: Queen of Kings]
    #17997106 - 03/23/13 12:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Awesome fruits. That is one of the better grows I have seen.


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: Jeff]
    #17997581 - 03/23/13 02:38 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

super jelly. when are you planning on harvesting ?


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: fortheloveofnature]
    #17997645 - 03/23/13 03:02 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Those are real nice!! Great job! :congrats:


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: psylosymonreturns]
    #17998369 - 03/23/13 10:32 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks, all.  Jeff, yours were a large part of my inspiration and I remember you saying sometime or another they were your favorite edible. 

I would eat them today as I'm sure they're prime; however, they still need to open up a bit to print.  So, maybe tomorrow.  They did get a little bigger overnight.


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: Queen of Kings]
    #18001026 - 03/23/13 10:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

nice looking grow! :-)


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: LD50]
    #18001511 - 03/24/13 01:03 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Did you eat them?


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: Jeff]
    #18001792 - 03/24/13 02:36 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yummm, looks rad!
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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: Joust]
    #18002206 - 03/24/13 06:55 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Those are really beautiful and that agar pic is just insane!! Thanks for sharing!


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: Jeff]
    #18002679 - 03/24/13 11:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Did you eat them?




I checked them yesterday and the veil still had not quite let go.  This morning they have grown a surprising amount overnight and the veils on many have lifted free, giving them that "hamburger bun" look.  So my spore print hopes will be realized!!  I plan to eat them for breakfast in a couple of omelettes.  I will add another shot of them after I have infused myself with more coffee!  :smile:


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: Queen of Kings]
    #18002844 - 03/24/13 11:58 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Here is how they look this morning!  I guess I was a little ahead of myself yesterday with excitement!!  The veils have that hamburger bun look and have separated.  Omelette time is NOW!  :smile:







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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: Queen of Kings]
    #18003038 - 03/24/13 12:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Cool clusters you got there Queen! The quality of the cultures you get from your local store are very impressive.


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: pseudotsuga]
    #18003099 - 03/24/13 01:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks!  There was a little styrofoam box with a. aegerita, pleurotis nebrodensis, and nameko in a little "gourmet" pack.  Not a whole lotta mushrooms for about 6.99 or so but a good investment for those who clone!  :smile:


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: pseudotsuga]
    #18003105 - 03/24/13 01:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Very nice!

I considered a few species to grow indoors but I saw that this one develops pins at low temps ( 50-60° F (10-16° C) ). Is this right? What is the temperature in your FC?


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: Queen of Kings]
    #18003224 - 03/24/13 01:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It pinned in the bag at room temperature.  Then I put it in my Martha, which is in an unheated room that's usually around 60-65 degrees.  It seemed to like that!  I kept a little humidity tent (read: clear grocery bag) over it for a few days to make sure the pins didn't abort, then took it off. 

I have an ultrasonic humidifier on a shelf in the Martha, then a fan which turns on for one minute every eight minutes and blows air through.

I do believe they like cooler temps and are quite tolerant of higher CO2 levels, making them a good partner for Kings.


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: Queen of Kings]
    #18003240 - 03/24/13 01:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I have another bag starting to pin in the Martha now.  Probably the best pin-set I have had to date.  Pretty sure the majority will abort but I should have a decent harvest by next week.



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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: Jeff]
    #18003348 - 03/24/13 02:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Looking fantastic!
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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: Jeff]
    #18003430 - 03/24/13 02:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I have another bag starting to pin in the Martha now.  Probably the best pin-set I have had to date.  Pretty sure the majority will abort but I should have a decent harvest by next week.



Edit: added pic.




That looks like a fantastic pinset Jeff!!  I'd be scared of it aborting!  But yours is cased so you probably won't have that issue.  I was really stressed over mine (due to recent mass aborting of tiger sawgill!! :frown: ) so I put a bag with holes over it.  Kind of like I do Kings.  But I sure didn't get that nice all-over pinset, just a couple really fat clusters.  Good luck; can't wait to see how it does!

As an aside, I just finished eating them.  They may be my new favorite!!  So delicious.  Even stems delicious.  Even when well cooked (sauteed in butter/garlic) they retain such a pleasing crunch.  I do believe I like them better than Kings! (Never thought I'd say that!!)


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: Queen of Kings]
    #18003461 - 03/24/13 02:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I am glad you liked them!

Clusters is about all I got prior to casing and the majority of those would either be growing on the side of the bag where the myc had climbed up or close to the edge.  The last few grows I have been casing and get much more even pin-sets.  20 or so will take off and most of the other pins abort.  :shrug:


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: Jeff]
    #18004982 - 03/24/13 07:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Hey queen, are the store bought mushrooms from a company called "mycopia" by any chance?


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: Versicolor]
    #18005735 - 03/24/13 10:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Hey queen, are the store bought mushrooms from a company called "mycopia" by any chance?




Pretty sure they are.  The reason I know:  they are the ones who have trademarked the name "Nebrodini Bianco" for plain old pleurotis nebrodensis.  Kinda like the "Trumpet Royale" name for p. eryngii.  I guess make it sound all exotic and people will like it!  Well, I'm not complaining as I didn't have any of their varieties in my arsenal and now I do.  The p. nebrodensis was extremely good and I have a bag of it close to fruiting right now.


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: Queen of Kings]
    #18006604 - 03/25/13 02:36 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

( Thank you for the info! )


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: Queen of Kings]
    #18009246 - 03/25/13 05:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Very nice grow...How'd the stems get so long? Mine were short minnies.
Luckily they still tasted yummy in those scrambled eggs.


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: friendoffungi]
    #18010485 - 03/25/13 09:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Very nice grow...How'd the stems get so long? Mine were short minnies.
Luckily they still tasted yummy in those scrambled eggs.




Thanks Friend.  I expect it is strictly genetics.  I had hoped for shorter, FAT stems, but didn't get those.  The fat ones I've seen were uncased so that's why I skipped the casing.  However, to no avail!  :frown: 

I agree the stems are delicious on these, whether short, fat, or skinny. 

Probably buying a known culture or isolating for size would solve the problem; this is a clone from a rather smallish grocery store mushroom (and those were SUPER small, probably to keep them fresher).


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: Queen of Kings]
    #18010570 - 03/25/13 09:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I have two cultures that I am playing with.  The Sporeworks guy tends to be short fat stemmed and the one I got from AV via atricoz looks more like your grow M.  So basically I am agreeing with you.  :smile:


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: Jeff]
    #18020760 - 03/27/13 10:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

A little update....  This bag is the culture from atricoz.



It is the same one that I posted earlier.  You can see that some of the smaller pins from the original picture have already aborted and the culture has selected what it wants to fruit.  If my past experience is right about half of the remaining ones will also abort.  Still not a terrible flush.  :smile:

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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: Jeff]
    #18020920 - 03/27/13 10:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That's very nice, Jeff, and a lot better pinset than mine, even though my clusters were fine. 

I have a second bag, identical to this, same age and spawn, which has not yet produced a single pin.  No joke. 

You case and I haven't.  Which might account for some of that nice pinset. 

Just tell me you can look at this grow and not drool over those stems.  It really speeds ups my heart rate.  I want those stems.  This mushroom is so good I really can't believe it. 

Thanks for sharing, and I mean that!!  :smile:


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: Queen of Kings]
    #18020957 - 03/27/13 10:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

PC did a great job on that grow.  Seen it in his sig a while back.  The thing I really like was the ease of the chamber he grew it in.  I have yet to see a flush that compares.


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: Jeff]
    #18020994 - 03/27/13 11:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

We have found our cased blocks to be amazingly resistant to contam. Some are on their 4th flush. We are over a pound on most blocks now and still no signs of contam despite them sitting beside green shiitake blocks.  This is also from atricoz. My biggest problem is cleaning them up. Time consuming. Do y'all really like them. They seem bland to me now. Maybe I am eating too much?  Curious about what y'all think flavor wise. The restaurants are buying them but I think mostly because they have never heard of them.


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: Queen of Kings]
    #18020998 - 03/27/13 11:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Looks like PC used a SGFC hence the fat stems are probably from cooler temps and lots of FAE.

Yours elongated from higher co2

Likely genetic and environmentally triggered (the stem controversy)


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: Amanita virosa]
    #18021036 - 03/27/13 11:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

They are mild but I enjoy the texture.  Maybe I have just grown too many oysters/shiitakes and like the change of pace.  They have a real pleasant taste to me. :shrug:
For me cleaning hasn't been that big of an issue.  Most of the casing is at the base of the stem.  I just cut it off.
I just do small scale stuff though AV.  I would imagine that on a larger scale the cleaning might be an issue.


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: Brain Fart]
    #18021075 - 03/27/13 11:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Looks like PC used a SGFC hence the fat stems are probably from cooler temps and lots of FAE.

Yours elongated from higher co2

Likely genetic and environmentally triggered (the stem controversy)




I agree partially.  I have played with a couple of different strains that have yielded totally different results under the same conditions.  The Sporeworks strain looks more like what PC posted and the one from atricoz is more elongated.


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: Jeff]
    #18022527 - 03/28/13 07:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Wouldn't a SGFC have far less FAE than power vented grow room?  Maybe increased Co2 plays a role in stem shape like it does with oysters?


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: t3chnobily]
    #18022604 - 03/28/13 08:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Mine were grown in a Martha alongide Kings.  There's an ultrasonic running and there are cut-outs in the plastic on all sides and tops, with a fan on a timer that turns on for one minute out of every eight minutes, blowing fresh air directly into the greenhouse.

I know I have a lot of fresh air in there because my Kings have been getting really big caps. 

It just may be genetics. 

I love the taste.  Kind of like a milder Shitake.  Excellent texture that keeps some 'crunch' even when cooked and lightly browned.


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: Queen of Kings]
    #18022608 - 03/28/13 08:21 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

try turing your fan off and letting the CO2 get really high. Bet both the kings and the poplars get fat assed!


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: t3chnobily]
    #18028404 - 03/29/13 03:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

They actually seem to get longer thinner stems in high CO2, similar to enoki.

Two different strains here at close to the same age.  The should fruit out at the same time. 

This one is a sporeworks culture.  The stems are already fat.



and a different bag of the same culture from atricoz that I posted above. 



These guys are side by side in the same fruiting chamber.  It should make for a nice comparison.


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: Jeff]
    #18028516 - 03/29/13 04:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

nice jeff. solid evidence i think for genetics to be the culprit like you said.


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: Jeff]
    #18030181 - 03/29/13 10:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Looking good, Jeff.  I'm on hold till I see your results.  :smile:  I'm betting on the Sporeworks culture too.  Can't wait to see them in a few days!!


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: Queen of Kings]
    #18030229 - 03/29/13 10:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Loving the grow man, awesome job!
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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: Joust]
    #18043299 - 04/01/13 07:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Update:

Sporeworks...



Atricoz......



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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: Jeff]
    #18043447 - 04/01/13 08:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The power of genetics!  Whats the average yield per block on the first flush?


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    #18043477 - 04/01/13 08:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I haven't been keeping track.  :facepalm:  I am not that great on record keeping.  Plus I only grow for fun so it really hasn't been an issue.


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: Jeff]
    #18043548 - 04/01/13 09:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Great work by both Jeff and atricoz on this one! 

Jeff, any plans to try atricoz's strain again without casing? 

Also, what's the substrate mix for this batch?


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: NSF]
    #18043567 - 04/01/13 09:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I have done it without casing and it pins in clusters around the perimeter of the bag.  That is really why I went to casing in the first place. 
These bags are just pasteurized oak pellets with 20 grams of gypsum.  I haven't played around with supplementing them yet.


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: Jeff]
    #18043577 - 04/01/13 09:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I wonder what would happen if you/we put casing in a ring around the outside of the block, against the bag, leaving the middle exposed?


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: NSF]
    #18043587 - 04/01/13 09:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Looks like you have an experiment on your hands.  :smile:


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: Jeff]
    #18043802 - 04/01/13 10:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The Sporeworks strain definitely wins -- or at least for me I'd rather have the fatter stems and skip the tallness.  Thanks for growing out this excellent comparison!

I have another flush coming off a different block right now and it looks a little fatter.  Naturally it is right at the edge of the bag -- had to tear some of the bag away to free it.


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    #18043848 - 04/01/13 10:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I like them both.  :smile:  It was good to see them side by side though.


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: Jeff]
    #18056557 - 04/04/13 10:08 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thank for sharing,

Just to share a bit of data: I get around 0,4 lb of fresh pioppinos (sporeworks strain) per dry 1000gr of hardwood sawdust (pasteurised, with 2% gypsum)
Not cased, first flush, smallest/unsellable mushroom not included in the yield above. 900ml of rye spawn per 1000 gr of dry sawdust.

I found that agrocybe aegerita tend to get weak fast if you let your colonized spawn get old. Contamination rate was high for me with old spawn on pasteurized wood pellets (which was not the case with the exact same scenario with shiitake and oyster).

They also seems to hate being in bags compared to jars. I plan on growing them exclusively in 1 liter plastic container.


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: BlackPeace]
    #18058799 - 04/04/13 07:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

0.4lb per kg...?

That is a funny meeting of imperial and metric.  So you get 200gms per kg of dry substrate?  That's actually really quite good going.  Well, compared with my haul off a block.  Especially seeing as you don't supplement. 

Any idea of the age of your sawdust?  As in, is it sawdust from old dried timber or new green wood? 

Thanks for the tip on acting fast with Pioppino spawn.  I don't act fast and maybe it's impacting my yields. 

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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: NSF]
    #18059404 - 04/04/13 08:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

To update this thread...

My second block was super fine, though having only one large cluster.  I harvested that and greatly enjoyed it!!







My first block from earlier in this thread didn't want to pin on the top for a second flush.  However, when I saw side pins I stripped the block.  Considering how prone they are to aborting, I set them directly above the Coolmist so they have lots of humidity and FAE.  This is how they look tonight and I am feeling optimistic!!





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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: Queen of Kings]
    #18059527 - 04/04/13 09:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

HOLY SHIT!  That's not a block it's a porcupine!

And they look a little past the abort phase in the second pic.  No casing, no bag, just pumping out fruit!  I haven't seen A.a blocks like that before.  Sensational.


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: NSF]
    #18059591 - 04/04/13 09:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I am really interested in this one M.  The survival rate of what you have now will be really good info.  Keep us posted.


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: NSF]
    #18061511 - 04/05/13 10:21 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It gives me around 182 gr of mushrooms worth selling per kilo of dry sawdust pellets. I get them straigh from the company, they recycle hardwood from other companies who cut furnitures and stuff like that. I thing the wood is OK aged.

I will upgrade the gypsum ratio, and play with pasteurised coir, coffee grinds and chicken manure to "supplement" the wood. I want at least a pound (454gr) of nice mushrooms per kilo of wood.

I don't case for now, I wan't to try to reach better yield without it. I don't want to have soil on my product... Especially because I will not be the only one who harvest them.


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: BlackPeace]
    #18066764 - 04/06/13 01:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

A little further update on that second flush from the stripped-off bag...

I'm getting ready to leave them in the care of my Coolmist to go out of town overnight.  Hopefully they will keep till I get back.  It seems like most all the pins are developing; haven't seen anything aborting (yet).  Very exciting!







OK, got back from my overnighter, and here is the progress...second flush.  Looking good!





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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: BlackPeace]
    #18547323 - 07/12/13 06:30 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'd like to add a few stuff with my pioppino experiment (sporeworks strain).

In my projects they contam very easily on pasteurized pellet... Compared to oyters and shiitake. Even with very high spawn ratio (900ml... even 1200ml... of rye per dry kilo of dry pasteurized wood pellet). I tossed around 80 blocks and I stopped... I will come back to it soon.

It well may be my fault, but I'm usually very good with sterilized substrates, playing with agar, etc. And most of my pasteurized projects works well.

I still find it very weird to have a 15% of perfectly good subtrate and the other contams...

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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: BlackPeace]
    #18547977 - 07/12/13 11:06 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I'd like to add a few stuff with my pioppino experiment (sporeworks strain).

In my projects they contam very easily on pasteurized pellet... Compared to oyters and shiitake. Even with very high spawn ratio (900ml... even 1200ml... of rye per dry kilo of dry pasteurized wood pellet). I tossed around 80 blocks and I stopped... I will come back to it soon.

It well may be my fault, but I'm usually very good with sterilized substrates, playing with agar, etc. And most of my pasteurized projects works well.

I still find it very weird to have a 15% of perfectly good subtrate and the other contams...

Anyway, anybody experience the same problem?




well I've got about 25lbs of grain spawn that's been sitting around while I get up and running, so I will keep that in mind and maybe only use half of it at first.  cause that was my initial plan, without sterilizer.  Why, does it run slow?  What contams were you encountering?


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: BlackPeace]
    #18548032 - 07/12/13 11:27 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I'd like to add a few stuff with my pioppino experiment (sporeworks strain).

In my projects they contam very easily on pasteurized pellet... Compared to oyters and shiitake. Even with very high spawn ratio (900ml... even 1200ml... of rye per dry kilo of dry pasteurized wood pellet). I tossed around 80 blocks and I stopped... I will come back to it soon.

It well may be my fault, but I'm usually very good with sterilized substrates, playing with agar, etc. And most of my pasteurized projects works well.

I still find it very weird to have a 15% of perfectly good subtrate and the other contams...

Anyway, anybody experience the same problem?




:shrug:  None of my blocks contaminated. I haven't ran 80 but probably close to 30 and all on pasteurized fuel pellets.  350 grams of spawn per five pound block.


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: Jeff]
    #18548087 - 07/12/13 11:58 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I'd like to add a few stuff with my pioppino experiment (sporeworks strain).

In my projects they contam very easily on pasteurized pellet... Compared to oyters and shiitake. Even with very high spawn ratio (900ml... even 1200ml... of rye per dry kilo of dry pasteurized wood pellet). I tossed around 80 blocks and I stopped... I will come back to it soon.

It well may be my fault, but I'm usually very good with sterilized substrates, playing with agar, etc. And most of my pasteurized projects works well.

I still find it very weird to have a 15% of perfectly good subtrate and the other contams...

Anyway, anybody experience the same problem?




:shrug:  None of my blocks contaminated. I haven't ran 80 but probably close to 30 and all on pasteurized fuel pellets.  350 grams of spawn per five pound block.




Wow thats a ton of spawn!  Maybe try sterilizing the blocks and adding %20bran.  Yes its more work and you probably coudlnt make as many; but they wont contaminate and will give you higher yields with much lower spawn rate.  I use 100g spawn per 6lbs block.  The most i would use would be 125g.  All the time you save making less spawn can go to making supplemented bags.  And even if you only have a 21qt cooker you can fit 4 5-6lb bags in them. Get two of them and you can do 8 at a time, run it 4 times a day giving you 32 sterilized supplemented bags a day.  Do this a couple of days, if necessary then you get 60 or 90 bags/week.  This is what i was doing 2 years ago; its how i got my small farm started.  Just some ideas, do what works best for you. :wink:


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: BlackPeace]
    #18548136 - 07/12/13 12:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I'd like to add a few stuff with my pioppino experiment (sporeworks strain).

In my projects they contam very easily on pasteurized pellet... Compared to oyters and shiitake. Even with very high spawn ratio (900ml... even 1200ml... of rye per dry kilo of dry pasteurized wood pellet). I tossed around 80 blocks and I stopped... I will come back to it soon.

It well may be my fault, but I'm usually very good with sterilized substrates, playing with agar, etc. And most of my pasteurized projects works well.

I still find it very weird to have a 15% of perfectly good subtrate and the other contams...

Anyway, anybody experience the same problem?



I have experienced just the opposite with enriched and sterilized blocks.  they just seemed to fruit over and over all winter and never contaminated.  they were also cased although the casing was not heat treated in any way. the first flushes were the smallest but once they got going they were cranking out some nice mush.  these are both second flushes.  the first picture was 14 oz or so.  I have found them very sensitive to climate but if you give them a chance they will eventually perform.



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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: Amanita virosa]
    #18548164 - 07/12/13 12:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Any thoughts from you experienced aegerita growers on whether this species could do well cased in a monotub?


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    #18548826 - 07/12/13 03:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Any thoughts from you experienced aegerita growers on whether this species could do well cased in a monotub?




I was thinking of trying that next time. Seems a bit messy though, soaking the whole thing plus cleaning the tubs (for a small commercial setup I mean).
I made "monotubs" grow but I kept the bags on the block. So basicly 6 substrate per tub. I think it's the way to go [for small project] with these as they grow OK with low air exchange and they attract fruit flies. Bug prevention.

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    #18549168 - 07/12/13 04:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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AGREE WITH BP.  Try it like this

just be careful that the FP doesn't touch the substrate.  Once colonized cut the front out of the bags and case.  It works great for kings and poplars and prolly anything else that gets cased BUT it takes up more room, esp if your shelf design is for bags standing up.


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: Amanita virosa]
    #18549241 - 07/12/13 05:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Oh, so I imagine you get more pins this way since you have more substrate surface for the same amount of substrate. I like that if it's the case.

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    #18550484 - 07/12/13 10:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Hmmm... good ideas there :smile:


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    #18550535 - 07/12/13 10:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Lovely grows guys, it's shocking how much these look like Psilocybes in their pin stage.
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    #18550761 - 07/12/13 11:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Won't pin for shit above 70 degrees. Pins and fruits best in the 55-60 range. I actually posted that one picture on the growing mushrooms forum next door to freak people out. The we're like " awesome grow dude can I get a print of those?"


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    #18550790 - 07/12/13 11:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Pins and fruits best in the 55-60 range.




So basically, in the dead of winter I can grow these :lol:

Do you think, with a ridiculous amount of patience, you can genetically train some AA's to grow in hot temps?
I think it would require fruiting some in warmer temps, then slowly increase the temps each generation, but not cloning or isolating, you would have to keep going from spore to fruit for 'learning' to take place.. just a random thought.

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    #18551838 - 07/13/13 07:53 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Pins and fruits best in the 55-60 range.




So basically, in the dead of winter I can grow these :lol:

Do you think, with a ridiculous amount of patience, you can genetically train some AA's to grow in hot temps?
I think it would require fruiting some in warmer temps, then slowly increase the temps each generation, but not cloning or isolating, you would have to keep going from spore to fruit for 'learning' to take place.. just a random thought.





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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: Amanita virosa]
    #18555691 - 07/14/13 03:51 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Hey

I am new to this so bear with me.

I just bought my first bag with Agrocybe spawns. Never done this before.

I put it in my bathroom. Temperature is 22 C.

I dont have a humidifier, so I need to spray them.

Any chance they fruit?

Thanks


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    #18556707 - 07/14/13 12:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

That's about 72 degrees f.  How did you process the bag?  Removed? Or cut off top?  That is pushing threshold temp to pin. Ideally you could hold it at a lower temp to induce pinning then move it.


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    #18560236 - 07/15/13 03:50 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

They stayed for 3 days in a bag with the top cut off.

Since yesterday I removed the bag and put the content in a monotub (with no cover).

Temperature is 21c now but I dont know how to lower it down!!!

I spray them several times a day with filtered water (not tap water).


Am I doing something wrong?





If I dont make them pin in a given time can it happen that mold take over because of humidity?

Thanks


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    #18560694 - 07/15/13 07:45 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

What's the brown thing? Is that regular soil?

In my experiance the mycelium turn brown a bit, but not THAT brown.


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    #18560802 - 07/15/13 08:40 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I guess is grain/wood substrate. This is how I bought it.


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    #18560874 - 07/15/13 09:05 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

give it a shot at this point.  keep it moist, not too wet.  AA does pretty well in relatively high CO2.  you might wanna consider some kind of lid to get the myc to grow vegetatively for a while and recolonize the substrate.


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    #18561003 - 07/15/13 10:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks I'll do that.

Do you think I should split it in two? As there is a lot of substrate....


I'll update you in a week of two....


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    #18562996 - 07/15/13 06:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Thanks I'll do that.

Do you think I should split it in two? As there is a lot of substrate....


I'll update you in a week of two....



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    #18566264 - 07/16/13 01:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Got it.

Just a quick quide from the company I bought the spawn from. Is it entirely true?

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Cultivation parameters:

Spawn run:
Temperature: 70-80° F (21-27° C)
Relative Humidity: 95-100%
Duration: 20-28 days
CO2: >20,000 ppm
Light requirements: n/a

Primordia formation:
Initiation temperature: 50-60° F (10 – 16°C)
Relative Humidity: 95 – 100%
Duration: 7-14 days
CO2: < 2,000 ppm
Light requirements: 500– 1,000 lux

Fruitbody development:
Temperature: 55-65°F (13-18°C)
Relative Humidity: 95 – 100 %
Duration: 4 – 6 days
CO2: <2,000 ppm
Light requirements: 500– 1000 lux
Cropping Cycle: Every 10-14 days for two flushes


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: cristtt5]
    #18566430 - 07/16/13 01:58 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Got it.

Just a quick quide from the company I bought the spawn from. Is it entirely true?

See below:

Cultivation parameters:

Spawn run:
Temperature: 70-80° F (21-27° C)
Relative Humidity: 95-100%
Duration: 20-28 days
CO2: >20,000 ppm
Light requirements: n/a

Primordia formation:
Initiation temperature: 50-60° F (10 – 16°C)
Relative Humidity: 95 – 100%
Duration: 7-14 days
CO2: < 2,000 ppm
Light requirements: 500– 1,000 lux

Fruitbody development:
Temperature: 55-65°F (13-18°C)
Relative Humidity: 95 – 100 %
Duration: 4 – 6 days
CO2: <2,000 ppm
Light requirements: 500– 1000 lux
Cropping Cycle: Every 10-14 days for two flushes



Either you bought it from fp or whoever you bought it from "borrowed" Paul's info. Ime, those are pretty accurate for aa.  For others the parameters he lists in his book are pretty conservative ESP on the oysters and shiitakes.


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: cristtt5]
    #18568467 - 07/16/13 10:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I fruited the FP strain on straw.  temps were mostly in the 70's but probably dipped into the 60's at times.  did it at a friend's house and he didn't have the coolmist on to exchange air enough, but despite small caps they fruited pretty nicely. strain might be worth a try.


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: nycomyco]
    #18934245 - 10/05/13 03:14 AM (8 years, 18 days ago)

Why so small caps?





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    #18949241 - 10/08/13 01:49 PM (8 years, 15 days ago)




these look about the same size no?

complicated....  some strains are smaller and i feel like they tend to be smaller when cased.  but you are not getting much of a flush there either.  try increasing humidity if possible.  that might help with your overall pinset and flush


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: Amanita virosa]
    #18967368 - 10/12/13 09:03 AM (8 years, 11 days ago)

No, they are much smaller then yours...They had enough humidity.


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    #18973983 - 10/13/13 11:08 PM (8 years, 9 days ago)

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No, they are much smaller then yours...They had enough humidity.



Aa is funny that way. A tub like that will flush many times so just keep watching out for a big flush.


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    #18980192 - 10/15/13 08:39 AM (8 years, 8 days ago)

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No, they are much smaller then yours...They had enough humidity.



Aa is funny that way. A tub like that will flush many times so just keep watching out for a big flush.




Aa are very finicky, but it can give good 2nd and 3rd flushes so hopefully it will grow better the second time around.

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    #18981912 - 10/15/13 05:50 PM (8 years, 8 days ago)

Wow :smile:


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    #18982707 - 10/15/13 09:02 PM (8 years, 7 days ago)

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No, they are much smaller then yours...They had enough humidity.



Aa is funny that way. A tub like that will flush many times so just keep watching out for a big flush.




Aa are very finicky, but it can give good 2nd and 3rd flushes so hopefully it will grow better the second time around.

Recent pioppino harvest on its way to restaurant. The mixed box is what we give as samples to new restaurants.






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    #18994355 - 10/18/13 09:16 AM (8 years, 5 days ago)

Serious eye candy, Aleon.  Love looking at your stuff.


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    #18994501 - 10/18/13 10:25 AM (8 years, 5 days ago)

Very nice Aleon!  Nice decurrent gills on those Kings as well :smile:  Do you grow these all in one growroom?  If so I'd be interested to see a pic of how you have them sorted.


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    #18994742 - 10/18/13 11:55 AM (8 years, 5 days ago)

Yes all are growing in one room.  It is not the easiest, but it does work. IN general keep the low light/high moisture/high CO2 near the ground and the high light/medium moisture/low CO2 on the top shelves.  My shiitakes are a little wet though, because i have to keep higher RH% for pinning of the kings.


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: Aleon]
    #18994789 - 10/18/13 12:10 PM (8 years, 5 days ago)

that is awesome to know as I'm attempting to do similar and you have more or less the same variety i currently have going.  As for your air intake and exhaust, how do you have them placed.  I'm guessing since you keep the high co2 strains on the bottom you have your fresh air intake coming in the top?  I currently have the air intake and exhaust at or relative to ground level with the air coming in at an angle.  I hesitated to cut holes in my greenhouse yet to I had a set plan.  At the moment i have 2 hydrofarm fans each with a speed limiter and i'm workign on dialing them in as well.  I'm pretty sure the air ocming in will have to come in from the top though so the moisture falls to the bottom.  Sorry for this flood of info.  I have been meaning to dig up my greenhouse post.  Also do your shelves meshed or solid shelves?  I'vehad a problem with my shiitakes coming out the bottom wire rack i have in my greenhouse.  Mainly cause my lights are at about waist heigth since the fram for my greenhouse isn't the most durable so I dont wantt he weight of the lights causing it to collapse.  These are all issues i'm currently working on though.  I will definitley be referencing this thread over the next few weeks though as I just spawned to 6 poplar bags.  Not a whole lot but a start :smile:  Congrats again on your grow!


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    #18994804 - 10/18/13 12:15 PM (8 years, 5 days ago)

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Yes all are growing in one room.  It is not the easiest, but it does work. IN general keep the low light/high moisture/high CO2 near the ground and the high light/medium moisture/low CO2 on the top shelves.  My shiitakes are a little wet though, because i have to keep higher RH% for pinning of the kings.



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that is awesome to know as I'm attempting to do similar and you have more or less the same variety i currently have going.  As for your air intake and exhaust, how do you have them placed.  I'm guessing since you keep the high co2 strains on the bottom you have your fresh air intake coming in the top?  I currently have the air intake and exhaust at or relative to ground level with the air coming in at an angle.  I hesitated to cut holes in my greenhouse yet to I had a set plan.  At the moment i have 2 hydrofarm fans each with a speed limiter and i'm workign on dialing them in as well.  I'm pretty sure the air ocming in will have to come in from the top though so the moisture falls to the bottom.  Sorry for this flood of info.  I have been meaning to dig up my greenhouse post.  Also do your shelves meshed or solid shelves?  I'vehad a problem with my shiitakes coming out the bottom wire rack i have in my greenhouse.  Mainly cause my lights are at about waist heigth since the fram for my greenhouse isn't the most durable so I dont wantt he weight of the lights causing it to collapse.  These are all issues i'm currently working on though.  I will definitley be referencing this thread over the next few weeks though as I just spawned to 6 poplar bags.  Not a whole lot but a start :smile:  Congrats again on your grow!




There was quite the discussion a few months back on where to place your air intakes and exits. RR was always the one to say humid air is going to rise and to put the air in on the bottom. I personally have had better success doing the opposite. I have no idea why and honestly speaking from a technical perspective humid air will have a tendancy to rise. But in real world by two rooms that are opposite (top one bottom the other on the intake) The one with it on the top does much better with not getting dry spots.

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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita grow. [Re: nanncee]
    #18994931 - 10/18/13 12:46 PM (8 years, 5 days ago)

Are you referring to the chimnety like exhaust thread?  And I'm sorry as well Aleon.  Sometimes its easier to just keep the days random chat on the same thread but it all relates back to the fact that I too am doing poplars in a greenhouse with similar expectations.  When I look at your grows I definitely see where I want to be by the start of next summer though :smile:  Your like a role model to me right now!


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    #19003100 - 10/20/13 11:07 AM (8 years, 3 days ago)

Some great photos and grows in this thread.


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    #19428703 - 01/16/14 05:28 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

I would love to know how much per LB Aleon and drake89?... Inspiring!


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    #19432006 - 01/17/14 08:12 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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I would love to know how much per LB Aleon and drake89?... Inspiring!




$10-12/lb for bulk and $3/100g at farmers market.


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