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stinkbuttdog
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Cigarette filter as vermiculite replacement?
#17994188 - 03/22/13 09:55 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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TranscendingLife posted this thread on inoculating cigarette filters. If you read this you'll notice where it says the mycelium did not colonize the filter material (all the way at the bottom of the first post,) but colonized around it.
My question to you (hopefully above 4 years exp. and above 2K posts) is would properly clean filters be an acceptable verm replacement? What are your thoughts before I do this?
(EDIT: It appears as if the butts supplied moisture to the spawn he used. I cannot discern any other supply of moisture aside from the butts and grain. It looks as if the butts do in fact act as vermiculite.)
Edited by stinkbuttdog (03/22/13 10:02 AM)
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Re: Cigarette filter as vermiculite replacement? [Re: stinkbuttdog]
#17994223 - 03/22/13 10:04 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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ive wondered the same thing. from what i can find, the filters are made of cellulose acetate, a synthetic fiber. it merely has to allow ge but not be considered food by contams. it must be inert and non-nutritious. i think it's worth a try, if no one else chimes in with better info.
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Re: Cigarette filter as vermiculite replacement? [Re: Fungal growth]
#17994247 - 03/22/13 10:12 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Fungal growth said: ive wondered the same thing. from what i can find, the filters are made of cellulose acetate, a synthetic fiber. it merely has to allow ge but not be considered food by contams. it must be inert and non-nutritious. i think it's worth a try, if no one else chimes in with better info.
Thanks for that timely response. I'm forced to wait for a master to colonize atm, but I'm highly interested in trying a PF style cake utilizing the butts as a moisture reservoir. I don't have an horticultural verm for a side by side, hence my question.
Anyway, thanks again. It's just a matter of time now... (hopefully.)
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Re: Cigarette filter as vermiculite replacement? [Re: Fungal growth]
#17994268 - 03/22/13 10:17 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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My question to you (hopefully above 4 years exp. and above 2K posts) is would properly clean filters be an acceptable verm replacement? What are your thoughts before I do this?
I bought a large bag of vermiculite 3 years ago for $20(volume 4 cubic feet 113L), I still have it. I've used it for multiple grows and still have some left. My opinion is that it would not be an acceptable replacement. No need to reinvent the wheel imo. Verm is cheap, effective and ready to use. If it's a novelty grow you're after than cool, but I don't think it's a practical replacement.
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Re: Cigarette filter as vermiculite replacement? [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
#17994290 - 03/22/13 10:24 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Mush 4 Brains said:
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My question to you (hopefully above 4 years exp. and above 2K posts) is would properly clean filters be an acceptable verm replacement? What are your thoughts before I do this?
I bought a large bag of vermiculite 3 years ago for $20(volume 4 cubic feet 113L), I still have it. I've used it for multiple grows and still have some left. My opinion is that it would not be an acceptable replacement. No need to reinvent the wheel imo. Verm is cheap, effective and ready to use. If it's a novelty grow you're after than cool, but I don't think it's a practical replacement.
It's necessity + time which drives my inquiry. I need a sufficient verm-like moisture reservoir before my jar(s) colonize. Thus, I cannot wait for mail-order verm (i'm far and away from a store selling verm in the winter) and now I'm voraciously curious as to weather this will allow for a full-out replacement.
Hopefully all goes well until I can play with this.
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Re: Cigarette filter as vermiculite replacement? [Re: stinkbuttdog]
#17994339 - 03/22/13 10:39 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Verm is hard to come by in some areas of the world. I had a very hard time finding it in AZ. I like to see people experimenting, we need all the alternatives we can get, imo.
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Re: Cigarette filter as vermiculite replacement? [Re: Fungal growth]
#17995114 - 03/22/13 02:04 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Fungal growth said: Verm is hard to come by in some areas of the world. I had a very hard time finding it in AZ. I like to see people experimenting, we need all the alternatives we can get, imo.
Well written. I never could have delivered it to the same effect.
That being said, it's nearly "harvest time." The reaping awaits the NIGHT STALKER! (Only used butts will do. )
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Re: Cigarette filter as vermiculite replacement? [Re: stinkbuttdog]
#17995131 - 03/22/13 02:08 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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It probably will work. But there is a reason why teks call for verm. It is not inert, it's got several trace minerals mushrooms use. I understand the need to use something else, and you may get by with it. Only one way to find out I guess
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Re: Cigarette filter as vermiculite replacement? [Re: stinkbuttdog]
#17995147 - 03/22/13 02:10 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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In addition to my hydration concerns, I'm also concerned with possible uptake of the following chemicals.
I do plan on submitting samples to labs to test weather there was any uptake if I cannot answer my own questions.
Enough blabber, here's the list (via http://whyquit.com/whyquit/a_tobacco_additives.html )
Chemical
Acetaldehyde Acetamide Acrylamide Acrylonitrile 2-Amino-3,4-dimethyl-3H-imidazo[4,5-f]quinoline (MeIQ) 3-Amino-1,4-dimethyl-5H-pyrido [4,3-b]indole (Trp-P-1) 2-Amino-l-methyl-6-phenyl-1H-imidazo [4,5-b]pyridine (PhlP) 3-Amino-l-methyl-5H-pyrido [4,3-b]indole (Trp-P-2) 2-Amino-3-methyl-9H-pyrido[2,3-b]indole (MeAaC) 2-Amino-6-methyldipyrido [1,2-a:3',2'-d] imidazole (Glu-P-1) 2-Amino-9H-pyrido[2,3-b]indole (AaC) 4-Aminobiphenyl 2-Aminodipyrido[1,2-a:3',2'-d]imidazole (Glu-P-2) 0-Anisidine Arsenic Benz[a]anthracene Benzene Benzo[a]pyrene Benzofluoranthene Benzo[j]fluoranthene Benzo[k]fluoranthene Benzofuran Beryllium 1,3-Butadiene Cadmium Catechol (1,2-benzenediol) p-Chloroaniline Chloroform Cobalt p,p'-DDT Dibenz[a,h]acridine Dibenz[a,j]acridine Dibenz(a,h)anthracene 7H-Dibenzo[c,g]carbazole Dibenzo(a,e)pyrene Dibenzo(a,i)pyrene Dibenzo(a,h)pyrene Dibenzo(a,i)pyrene Dibenzo(a,l)pyrene 3,4-Dihydroxycinnamic acid (caffeic acid) Ethylbenzene Ethylene oxide Formaldehyde Furan Glycidol Heptachlor Hydrazine Indeno[1,2,3-cd]pyrene IQ 92-Amino-3-methyl-3H-imidazo[4,5-f]quinoline) Isoprene Lead 5-Methyl-chrysene 2-Naphthylamine Nitrobenzene Nitrogen mustard Nitromethane 2-Nitropropane N-Nitrosodi-n-butylamine (NDBA) N-Nitrosodi-n-propylamine (NDPA) N-Nitrosodiethanolamine (NDELA) N-Nitrosodiethylamine (DEN) N-Nitrosodimethylamine (DMN) N-Nitrosoethylmethylamine (NEMA, MEN) 4-(N-Nitrosomethylamino)-1-(3-pyridinyl)-1-butanone (NNK) N'-Nitrosonornicotine (NNN) N-Nitrosopiperidine (NPIP, NPP) N-Nitrosopyrrolidine (NPYR, NPY) Polonium-210 Propylene oxide Radon 222 Safrole Styrene Tetrachloroethylene o-Toluidine (2-methylaniline) Trichloroethylene Urethane - carbamic acid Urethane - ethyl ester Vinyl acetate Vinyl chloride 4-Vinylcyclohexene 2,6-Xylidine (2,6-dimethylaniline)
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Re: Cigarette filter as vermiculite replacement? [Re: stinkbuttdog]
#17995169 - 03/22/13 02:15 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Cigarette filter as vermiculite replacement? [Re: PussyFart]
#17995204 - 03/22/13 02:26 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'll give it a go! my entire household smokes. Might as well recycle a few butts for 1 grow. Ill cut king size filters into fourths and add them in in the same fashion as vermiculite.
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Re: Cigarette filter as vermiculite replacement? [Re: Capn Blue Beard]
#17995350 - 03/22/13 03:01 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Capn Blue Beard said: I'll give it a go! my entire household smokes. Might as well recycle a few butts for 1 grow. Ill cut king size filters into fourths and add them in in the same fashion as vermiculite.
Novelty conditions, not a tek revolution 
That's the spirit matey!!
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Re: Cigarette filter as vermiculite replacement? [Re: PussyFart]
#17995360 - 03/22/13 03:03 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks for that link Notahack, I was looking for it earlier but it escaped me.
Did you find that there was any bio-accumulation of any of the aforementioned chemicals? Any that you're particularly worried about?
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Re: Cigarette filter as vermiculite replacement? [Re: stinkbuttdog]
#17995396 - 03/22/13 03:10 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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those chems are in the filters? i thought all the nasty was in the tobacco. durrpyderp yer using used filters?
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Re: Cigarette filter as vermiculite replacement? [Re: stinkbuttdog]
#17995404 - 03/22/13 03:11 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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What about unused filters, I can buy a bag of 200 filters for like 2 buks. They are pretty absorbent so you could soak them with some type of micro nutes, or maybe gypsum. It sounds like it would be alot more healthy vs. used nasty tobacco ciggy butts
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Re: Cigarette filter as vermiculite replacement? [Re: PussyFart]
#17995476 - 03/22/13 03:30 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: An Experiment: Psilocybe Cubensis on Cigarette Butts & Coir Experiment
Haha I thought of this same TL thread!! well done good sir!
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Re: Cigarette filter as vermiculite replacement? [Re: Fungal growth]
#17995922 - 03/22/13 05:22 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Fungal growth said:
those chems are in the filters? i thought all the nasty was in the tobacco. durrpyderp yer using used filters?
Derp, read man, read! 
So was the dude who had the inspiring idea.
Edited by stinkbuttdog (03/22/13 05:23 PM)
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Re: Cigarette filter as vermiculite replacement? [Re: stinkbuttdog]
#17995942 - 03/22/13 05:26 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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trancendinglife, click the link above
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FYI: I stole all my pix off google! F+ PORN! Here is a shit-ton of porn by yours truly!
I have FINALLY written up a couple teks as to how SHP has done things in the past. DISCLAIMER: This is not for the newbie to mycology, and not going to work for everyone! This is simply what works for one person when other teks and methods have failed miserably!
~~~~~How SHP does their unconventional WBS Prep!! (NO DRY METHOD)~~~~
~~~~~SHP's highly disputed method of doing ALL their work outside of a flow hood or a Still air box!~~~~~
~~~~~Troubles harvesting the side and bottom pins in your mono? Learn how!! Dunking included ;-)~~~~~
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Re: Cigarette filter as vermiculite replacement? [Re: stinkbuttdog]
#17995944 - 03/22/13 05:26 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ear plugs will work better for inoculation ports then cigarette butts..... Cigarette butts for a growth medium is indeed purely novelty with no real practical application for worth while results.
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Re: Cigarette filter as vermiculite replacement? [Re: HybridprX]
#17995952 - 03/22/13 05:28 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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HybridprX said: Ear plugs will work better for inoculation ports then cigarette butts..... Cigarette butts for a growth medium is indeed purely novelty with no real practical application for worth while results.
You should check out this thread http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15375078#15375078
He gets a good 7 ounces dry off first flush...
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FYI: I stole all my pix off google! F+ PORN! Here is a shit-ton of porn by yours truly!
I have FINALLY written up a couple teks as to how SHP has done things in the past. DISCLAIMER: This is not for the newbie to mycology, and not going to work for everyone! This is simply what works for one person when other teks and methods have failed miserably!
~~~~~How SHP does their unconventional WBS Prep!! (NO DRY METHOD)~~~~
~~~~~SHP's highly disputed method of doing ALL their work outside of a flow hood or a Still air box!~~~~~
~~~~~Troubles harvesting the side and bottom pins in your mono? Learn how!! Dunking included ;-)~~~~~
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