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Questions Regarding Full Extraction of Cebil
    #17981596 - 03/19/13 09:11 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Just A few questions to clarify SWIM's extraction plans

So, SWIM plans on doing a full cebil extraction using the No Smell tek, but he needs some clarification on some procedures.
SWIM saw a post on Herbtalk Forums listed as Smoke Caapi x50 + dmt (just to reference the info), and he saw someone mention two extra alks that can be pulled from cebil, and he'd like to know if this valid/relevant info because it sparked his interest.

Also, in the No Smell tek, the 1/4 acetone/naptha wash is to freebase the bufotenine, yes? How would this compare to a xylene boil step? (SWIM would prefer to avoid this)
And can freebase bufotenine be dissolved in acetone to store and keep from oxygen exposure?

SWIM would be so very pleased if the information he saw about the extra (active) alkaloids that can be pulled is valid, if anyone has heard of this, could they clarify the process?

Thanks much, I hope to get some clarification.


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Re: Questions Regarding Full Extraction of Cebil [Re: Caboose]
    #17982124 - 03/19/13 11:00 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

I think the MAOI in Cebil is vaporized during the normal pre-extraction toasting tek.  To pull them skip this step and be prepared to deal with a lot more fat.

The wash is not for freebasing, but is for purification.  The binary mixture works as well as xylene AFAIK maybe someone else can chime in on this and your other question.


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2)Amanita (urine drank twice)
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4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators)
5)Salvia (need to try quid)


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Re: Questions Regarding Full Extraction of Cebil [Re: flickedbic]
    #17982895 - 03/20/13 04:20 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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flickedbic said:
I think the MAOI in Cebil is vaporized during the normal pre-extraction toasting tek.  To pull them skip this step and be prepared to deal with a lot more fat.

The wash is not for freebasing, but is for purification.  The binary mixture works as well as xylene AFAIK maybe someone else can chime in on this and your other question.




:whathesaid:    Correct on all counts.

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Re: Questions Regarding Full Extraction of Cebil [Re: Nature Boy]
    #17983159 - 03/20/13 07:14 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

What process is actually turning let's say, bufotenine fumerate salts, into a complete bufo freebase?

Also, the Herbtalk post mentions that the two extra alkaloids are hallucinogenic, and active that on their own. One similar to bufo, and one similar to DMT.
The posters username was Ron (which made me wonder if it could possibly be 69ron)


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Re: Questions Regarding Full Extraction of Cebil [Re: Caboose]
    #17984547 - 03/20/13 02:12 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Typically, bufotenine is freebased using sodium carbonate and water, making a paste like material. You will know its working if it starts to heat up. I used cold water but then the container i was freebasing the seeds in became quite warm, so i know a reaction was taking place.

I know that the seeds contain DMT and 5-Meo-DMT, maybe those are the alkaloids they are referencing. However, the seeds contain LOW QUANTITIES of these substaces, so it is not worth attempting to extract them on their own.


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Re: Questions Regarding Full Extraction of Cebil [Re: jjjcmzzt]
    #17988249 - 03/21/13 06:42 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Would it be a better idea to use calcium carbonate as opposed to sodium carbonate at this step? SWIM has seen multiple people says this.

Would the final purification need to be done several times, or is one enough to rid it of unwanted plant fats and oils?


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Re: Questions Regarding Full Extraction of Cebil [Re: Caboose]
    #17989825 - 03/21/13 02:16 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Sodium or calcium carbonate, doesnt make a difference really. People typically think that calcium bases (specifically Calcium Hydroxide) turns bufotenine into Calcium Bufotenate. However, this is uncomfirmed as far as i know and besides why try doing that when you can just get bufotenine?

I would recommend sodium carbonate because it is incredibly easy to make. Just put baking soda on a tray in the toaster/oven for a half hour or more to convert the sodium bicarbonate into sodium carbonate and wallah!

As for purification, do it as many times as you want until its as pure as YOU want it.


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Re: Questions Regarding Full Extraction of Cebil [Re: jjjcmzzt]
    #17990307 - 03/21/13 03:59 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Thank you for the information. SWIM didn't plan on making this "calcium bufotenate" due to its unconfirmed status.

When SWIM is done with his first extraction (his first extraction ever), and after he builds a kick-ass freebase vaporizer, he may post an experience report.

Thanks again!


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Re: Questions Regarding Full Extraction of Cebil [Re: Caboose]
    #17990539 - 03/21/13 04:44 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

I have a typewritten diary of experiments on bufotenine extraction of A. Colubrina endosperm which may be of some interest to you.

I only tested the DMT PLUS Bufotenine changa once.  It was singularly responsible for my self-imposed 8 month break from psychedelics - so I guess you could call the extraction a "success".

If you want, I can post the method and materials I employed.

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Re: Questions Regarding Full Extraction of Cebil [Re: Nature Boy]
    #17991184 - 03/21/13 06:42 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

That would be awesome! I really like to read as much as I can about it.

So what happened that caused you to impose such a suspension on yourself?


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Re: Questions Regarding Full Extraction of Cebil [Re: Caboose]
    #17991278 - 03/21/13 06:59 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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I only tested the DMT PLUS Bufotenine changa once.  It was singularly responsible for my self-imposed 8 month break from psychedelics - so I guess you could call the extraction a "success".




Wow.

Yes please share some of that experience.


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1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine
2)Amanita (urine drank twice)
3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose)
4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators)
5)Salvia (need to try quid)


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Re: Questions Regarding Full Extraction of Cebil [Re: flickedbic]
    #17991506 - 03/21/13 07:46 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Flickedbic, I was actually just reading an article of yours about sublingual syrian rue, and vaporized vilca. Very interesting report I must say.

Nature Boy, I can't fathom  the experience behind such a suspension on psychedelic use. Please do elaborate.


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Re: Questions Regarding Full Extraction of Cebil [Re: Caboose]
    #17993475 - 03/22/13 05:03 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Extraction Attempt #1

Break apart 10 grams Anadenanthera Colubrina seeds.
Bake in tinfoil envelope in toaster oven for 30 minutes @ 450 degrees.  NOTE:  Do this outside, as it smells strongly like burnt coffee!!
Pulverize seeds to a black powder in mortar.
Make solution of 50cc 5% acetic acid (vinegar) and 200cc distilled water
Add powder to pot, cover w/ 250cc acidified water.
Low boil 30 minutes, filter, and save water and powder.  Put powder back in pot.
Boil an 30 minutes with another 250cc of acidified water, filter, and combine all 500cc.
Discard powdered seed.
Use NESCO food dehydrator and glass baking pan to reduce volume until sludgy black.
Add 2 grams (possibly more) of sodium carbonate powder until a thick paste forms.
Bake again at 450 for 30 minutes.  This leaves a HARD dark brown to black solid.
Scrape into mortar & pestle and crush to a fine powder.
Place powder into a small jar with lid.
Wash 3 X with 50cc of 99% isopropyl alcohol and filter with vacuum filter.
Place all collected filtered black-colored alcohol into clean Pyrex baking pan.
Use food dehydrator to drive off alcohol and collect fine black powder with razor.
Yield = 156 mg of fine black powder (Bufotenine freebase)  that smells like burnt coffee. (1.56%)


Extraction Attempt #2

Separate husk from endosperm of seed of 12 grams of Anadenanthera Colubrina.
Bake endosperm ONLY in toaster for 30 min @ 450 degrees.
Pulverize blackened seeds.
Performed three boiling  water  washes with only a dash of vinegar.  Collect all water, which is a deep amber-red, NOT black!
Filter w/ vacuum filter.  Discard seed powder.
Use food dehydrator and Pyrex glass baking pan to reduce to reddish sludge.
SLOWLY add excess sodium carbonate.  Forms bubbling diarrhea-brown liquid.
Dry/toast in toaster oven on bake at 450 to a dark brownish black powder.
Place powder into a small jar with lid.
Wash 3 X with 50 - 75cc of 99% isopropyl alcohol and filter with vacuum filter.
Place all collected filtered black-colored alcohol into clean Pyrex baking pan.
Use food dehydrator to drive off alcohol and collect sticky black powder with razor.
Yield = 530 mg black, sticky powder, presumably bufotenine freebase.  (4.4%)


OK...here was my Changa recipe and notes.  Thought I'd lost it:


Changa #3 (Jul. 20, 2012)

Bufo from extract #1    .106g
Bufo from extract #2    .528g
n,n,-DMT                        .553g
Jungle spice                .260g
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                                  1.447g actives

Mullein                   .400g
P. Viridis                .500g
B. Caapi leaf        .540g
____________________________________
                              1.440g  leaf

Bioassay #1:  40mg is active, but not visual.  Try 50mg next.

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Edited by Nature Boy (03/22/13 07:57 AM)


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