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Judge visited my house
    #17981402 - 03/19/13 08:38 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I live with my parents and am growing using a greenhouse. 

My mom had some friends over-one of which was a judge.

There's a 50% chance she toured the house and visited my room.

Is this enough reason to clean everything out?  I have a mushroom poster with different types of edible mushrooms which I hope makes me look less suspect. 

They couldn't serve a warrant over this, could they?  The mushrooms are only pinning right now.  The biggest ones are ~1 inch long.

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Re: Judge visited my house [Re: Anonymous #1] * 6
    #17981461 - 03/19/13 08:47 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

You should throw everything out because growing in your parent's house is incredibly selfish, inconsiderate, and stupid. They can be charged or lose their house because of what you're doing in it.

Don't grow in your parent's house. Throw everything out.

Edited by nooneman (03/19/13 08:47 PM)

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Re: Judge visited my house [Re: nooneman] * 2
    #17981581 - 03/19/13 09:08 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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nooneman said:
You should throw everything out because growing in your parent's house is incredibly selfish, inconsiderate, and stupid. They can be charged or lose their house because of what you're doing in it.

Don't grow in your parent's house. Throw everything out.




No kidding. Quit being selfish and reckless.

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Re: Judge visited my house [Re: Draden] * 1
    #17981905 - 03/19/13 10:07 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

My mom is indifferent.  Can I get some constructive advice now?

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Re: Judge visited my house [Re: nooneman]
    #17982316 - 03/19/13 11:42 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Doesn't matter:
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nooneman said:
You should throw everything out because growing in your parent's house is incredibly selfish, inconsiderate, and stupid. They can be charged or lose their house because of what you're doing in it.

Don't grow in your parent's house. Throw everything out.



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Re: Judge visited my house [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #17982680 - 03/20/13 02:12 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Anonymous said:
My mom is indifferent.




If your mom is ok with it, I guess that's acceptable.  Make sure you have an agreement with her that if you get busted, she doesn't know that you are growing psychoactive mushrooms.  If she knows you are growing and it gets busted, she will be charged also and can lose the house. 

Sounds like it would be a good idea to move the grow for a bit.  If they raid it would be soon, if nothing happens in a month you can probably move it back.

My guess is that you'll be fine, most judges won't turn in their friends even if they notice something illegal.


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Re: Judge visited my house [Re: Alan Rockefeller] * 1
    #17987416 - 03/20/13 10:55 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Dont listen to nooneman man, he's no one, man.

The judge will know the harsh realities of system. If she is any kind of friend she would atleast confront your mother first before reporting you to the police.

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Re: Judge visited my house [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #17990142 - 03/21/13 03:25 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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Anonymous said:
I live with my parents and am growing using a greenhouse. 

My mom had some friends over-one of which was a judge.

There's a 50% chance she toured the house and visited my room.

Is this enough reason to clean everything out?  I have a mushroom poster with different types of edible mushrooms which I hope makes me look less suspect. 

They couldn't serve a warrant over this, could they?  The mushrooms are only pinning right now.  The biggest ones are ~1 inch long.





If this was me, I would not worry about it.
Here are the reasons in my opinion.

1. The Judge is not a detective, nor is he a cop.  He does his job and then goes home and enjoys his life. Much the same way, as when a traffic cop gets off work, he doesn't drive home while giving out more traffic tickets.

2. In the real world merely possessing something does not make you guilty, they have to indicate that you were "aware" you were breaking the law.

YOu could simply say you are studying mycology. You simply thought this was a non toxic strain of mushrooms and you were just experimenting and had no plans of eating a mushroom. You were just learning about biology and how things grow.

Most people get busted, RAT themselves out by telling the police that they knew what they were doing was illegal.
That is the game that the police play.

4. Never ever ever trust the words of a lawyer. They are the lowest form of creature in the universe.

Part of the reason medical science is considering using Lawyers as lab animals instead of rats, is because there are somethings that even a rat wont do.


Have fun growing mushrooms....learn ...explore....and don't worry about those fucking fear mongering bastards.

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Re: Judge visited my house [Re: Vitalux] * 3
    #17990216 - 03/21/13 03:40 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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2. In the real world merely possessing something does not make you guilty, they have to indicate that you were "aware" you were breaking the law.





Please don't instruct people on these things if you have no idea what yoru talking about.

You do not have to know your breaking the law, you just have to intentionally possess or attempt to possess a controlled substance.  Even if you actually think its not illegal to grow the mushrooms because they are natural or some nonsense, you are still guilty even if the prosecutor stipulates to this under most US law.



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YOu could simply say you are studying mycology. You simply thought this was a non toxic strain of mushrooms and you were just experimenting and had no plans of eating a mushroom. You were just learning about biology and how things grow.




Yes, and then they'll introduce evidence of your computer usage, order from the spore supplier, and past drug usage and demonstrate that you did in fact know what psychadelic mushrooms were and were in fact growing them for that reason.


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Have fun growing mushrooms....learn ...explore....and don't worry about those fucking fear mongering bastards.





You really do offer horrible advice in this forum on a regular basis.  Doing years as a mandatory minimum is not 'fear mongering', its reality.  Shame on you for downplaying the risks people are taking with their lives and their future.

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Re: Judge visited my house [Re: Vitalux] * 2
    #17998449 - 03/23/13 09:08 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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2. In the real world merely possessing something does not make you guilty, they have to indicate that you were "aware" you were breaking the law.





Absolutely incorrect.  Ignorance of the law is not a valid excuse for breaking it.  You'd be laughed at in court if that was your defense.

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4. Never ever ever trust the words of a lawyer. They are the lowest form of creature in the universe.





I don't know how things are in Canada, but if you get busted in the US, you better find a lawyer you can trust.  Your lawyer will become your best friend throughout your court process (not to be confused with a public defender).  Getting a public defender will probably suck since most of them are so overloaded with cases, but that's not to say they won't try.


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Re: Judge visited my house [Re: illuminati] * 3
    #18001788 - 03/24/13 12:35 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

I knew a judge. Very morally ambiguous, good company.

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Re: Judge visited my house [Re: johnm214]
    #18002472 - 03/24/13 07:52 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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Please don't instruct people on these things if you have no idea what yoru talking about.







If you noticed, I said

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"Here are the reasons in my opinion."







I did not realize that one had to be an expert to have an opinion here.
If only I was as smart and wise as you.
:nodofunderstanding:

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Re: Judge visited my house [Re: Vitalux]
    #18002499 - 03/24/13 08:08 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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I did not realize that one had to be an expert to have an opinion here.
If only I was as smart and wise as you.
:nodofunderstanding:



Yea, dick measuring around here daily.  Also, I am well versed in US criminal proceedings and there are, indeed, statutes covering "knowingly committing a crime".  Our fine Moderator John is not as hyper aware as it may appear.
For instance, you buy a car.  The car has a kilo of cocaine hiden in a secret compartment, you are not legally bound in these situations. 
That being said, committing felonies in some one else's home is, in general, a BAD idea.

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Re: Judge visited my house [Re: Vitalux]
    #18004084 - 03/24/13 02:32 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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I did not realize that one had to be an expert to have an opinion here.
If only I was as smart and wise as you.
:nodofunderstanding:



Yea, dick measuring around here daily.  Also, I am well versed in US criminal proceedings and there are, indeed, statutes covering "knowingly committing a crime".  Our fine Moderator John is not as hyper aware as it may appear.
For instance, you buy a car.  The car has a kilo of cocaine hiden in a secret compartment, you are not legally bound in these situations. 





How is that a counterexample?

As i said, the issue is intent to possess/manufacture rather than knowledge of the law.  In the car example you are not intending to possess/manufacture so there is no offense (whether you get charged is another matter).



Here's the US statute, similar statutes exist in other jurisdictions: 

"(a) Unlawful acts
Except as authorized by this subchapter, it shall be unlawful for
any person knowingly or intentionally -
(1) to manufacture, distribute, or dispense, or possess with
intent to manufacture, distribute, or dispense, a controlled
substance; or"
21 USC 841


All that is required is that the manufacture be knowing or intentional, there is no requirement that you know the manufacture is illegal.

Here's what sloantbone said:  "2. In the real world merely possessing something does not make you guilty, they have to indicate that you were "aware" you were breaking the law."

This is simply wrong.  The US code covers the "real world" and has no such requirement.

Sloantbone has been giving dangerously bad legal advice in this forum for a while now and has been warned several times about it.  Calling out his misrepresentations is a public service to those who might not realize they're being misled.  If some kid gets sent up for two years because sloantbone assured him the state has to prove the defendant knew of the law, its not going to be a trivial mistake.




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Please don't instruct people on these things if you have no idea what yoru talking about.







If you noticed, I said

Quote:



"Here are the reasons in my opinion."







I did not realize that one had to be an expert to have an opinion here.
If only I was as smart and wise as you.
:nodofunderstanding:





Your opinion is shit and your advice is terrible.


What you said was clearly wrong and wasn't limited whatsoever- no inkling of this being just a guess was offered.  You said:  "2. In the real world merely possessing something does not make you guilty, they have to indicate that you were "aware" you were breaking the law."


This is wrong as demonstrated above.  You should stop posting when you have no idea what your talking about- especially in this forum where ignorance can get a poster jailed for many years.

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Re: Judge visited my house [Re: johnm214]
    #18004360 - 03/24/13 03:29 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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Sloantbone has been giving dangerously bad legal advice in this forum for a while now and has been warned several times about it.  Calling out his misrepresentations is a public service to those who might not realize they're being misled.  If some kid gets sent up for two years because sloantbone assured him the state has to prove the defendant knew of the law, its not going to be a trivial mistake.




Yea he does that a lot.  His mistake generally get corrected pretty quickly so I am not too worried about it.


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This is wrong as demonstrated above.  You should stop posting when you have no idea what your talking about- especially in this forum where ignorance can get a poster jailed for many years.




I'm inclined to let him post - Everyone learns more when inaccurate things get corrected.

Good point with regards to intent.  Drug laws in the US generally specify intent, they don't say that you need to know that the law exists to be guilty.

It takes a good lawyer and good judges to get off that way though - a lot of people just get run through the system.

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Re: Judge visited my house [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #18004889 - 03/24/13 05:09 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

I once was driving my pickup truck along the highway and I was pulled over by a highway patrol cop.

He opened my truck glovebox and found a quarter pound of marijuana.

He charged me for possession of marijuana.


I pleaded not guilty in court, because I said, I had no knowledge that marijuana was in the glove box, and further that I had no involvement or knowledge about it whatsoever.


The basis was that they had no way to prove that I was aware of it or tied to it knowingly.



Case was dismissed.


I am from Canada.

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Re: Judge visited my house [Re: Vitalux]
    #18005866 - 03/24/13 08:45 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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Yea he does that a lot.  His mistake generally get corrected pretty quickly so I am not too worried about it.





I wasn't arguing for him to be banned or posting as a moderator.  i was just giving my views a regular participant in this forum: his advice is dangerous, baseless, and he should stop offering it where he doesn't know what he's talking about.

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Re: Judge visited my house [Re: johnm214]
    #18007741 - 03/25/13 09:14 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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Alan Rockefeller said:


Yea he does that a lot.  His mistake generally get corrected pretty quickly so I am not too worried about it.





I wasn't arguing for him to be banned or posting as a moderator.  i was just giving my views a regular participant in this forum: his advice is dangerous, baseless, and he should stop offering it where he doesn't know what he's talking about.





Than if that is the case John, are you not being a troll and trying to derail the OP post. :confused:

How smoothly would a forum run if every time a member gave his opinion on something some clown would start running off at the mouth kicking sand all over the guys character?
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Re: Judge visited my house [Re: Vitalux]
    #18007787 - 03/25/13 09:38 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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I once was driving my pickup truck along the highway and I was pulled over by a highway patrol cop.

He opened my truck glovebox and found a quarter pound of marijuana.

He charged me for possession of marijuana.


I pleaded not guilty in court, because I said, I had no knowledge that marijuana was in the glove box, and further that I had no involvement or knowledge about it whatsoever.


The basis was that they had no way to prove that I was aware of it or tied to it knowingly.



Case was dismissed.


I am from Canada.




I'm willing to bet it was not dismissed solely on the grounds that you "had no knowledge of it" A quarter pound of weed doesn't just appear in someones glovebox.

I would bet there were other issues that led to the dismissal. For example: what reasonable and probable grounds did he have for searching the vehicle in the first place. Stopping someone for speeding is not grounds for a full vehicle search. Perhaps errors or inaccuracies in paperwork or other technicalities were brought to light during your case.

If you could get off if you didnt knowingly commit a crime people would both intentionally keep themselves in a state of ignorance of the law and if they do know the law they would pretend they didnt.

Heres an example scenario: If you are shopping and you forget to ring something through and walk out with it, it is shoplifting. If it was a genuine accident (maybe the item was in the bottom of the buggy and you forgot to put it on the belt at the supermarket) and you walked out with it after paying for the rest of the items, you would have the defense that you didn't knowingly commit the crime. This claim would be further backed up by the fact that you willingly paid for every other item. Regardless, in this scenario the store would just ask you to pay for it and correct the issue rather than charge you.

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Re: Judge visited my house [Re: Vitalux] * 2
    #18007942 - 03/25/13 10:36 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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How smoothly would a forum run if every time a member gave his opinion on something some clown would start running off at the mouth kicking sand all over the guys character?




Likely the same as it is now.

John's right. Your advice sucks and those who follow it may find themselves in serious trouble.


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