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Re: Why Does Society Think I'm Some Kind of Freak for Abstaining From Alcohol? [Re: Bawks]
    #17973873 - 03/18/13 12:19 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Bawks said:
I'm basically an outcast since I'm a college student who doesn't drink. There aren't too many people that can say that.

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FlusH said:
this is the first time I have ever heard of people being given a hard time about not drinking.

I do not really like alcohol.  I do not drink socially, and maybe once a year will drink 1/4 of a beer, and half glass of wine.

I have never, ever, ever been asked why I do not drink, or had a girl reject me, or been seen as socially awkward.

:shrug:




Are you in college? I would assume people wouldn't really care if you drink or not once you're actually of the legal drinking age.



Ironic but I think this is actually the truest thing on here.

They care about it so much because it's "cool".

once having a beer is as casual as a glass of water I think they'll leave you alone about it


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Re: Why Does Society Think I'm Some Kind of Freak for Abstaining From Alcohol? [Re: downlowfunk]
    #17974036 - 03/18/13 12:55 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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YEah I know a dude who eats a Gram of shrooms just to fit in at the bars, but when the chicks find out hes not drinking alcohol thye totaly turn off from him.

Fucking weird.




Why would you hang out at a bar if you aren't drinking????


I have no problems with teatotaler but thats just weird man.  Drunks are the worst when your sober anyway.

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Re: Why Does Society Think I'm Some Kind of Freak for Abstaining From Alcohol? [Re: smack]
    #17974104 - 03/18/13 01:13 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I don't like alcohol anymore man I used to love getting drunk as if it was a special occasion but since trying Psychedelics mainly Mushrooms I have no urge to get wasted with my boys anymore. 1. you feel like shit the next day 2.It destroys the liver and im a health nut so that's now a no no.
3. It honestly costs too much for good liquor I rather go get a few hits of some good acid.

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Re: Why Does Society Think I'm Some Kind of Freak for Abstaining From Alcohol? [Re: NWlight]
    #17974185 - 03/18/13 01:29 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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NWlight said:
OP maybe if you drank alcohol sometimes you wouldn't have "socially awkward" under your username :grin:


jk, people who are truly bothered by your abstinence are tools.

that being said you are missing out on lots of drunken orgies with hot college girls doing coke off their titties and takin shots out of their belly button :datass:



be square, w/e :snub:



lol i just wanted to point out the comical value in this statement "drink and youll instantly have sex orgies with college girls!"
are you a bud light commercial?
logged on today and thought of this


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Re: Why Does Society Think I'm Some Kind of Freak for Abstaining From Alcohol? [Re: Grumpyorc]
    #17974210 - 03/18/13 01:35 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

:lol:

maybe my life is a bud light commercial

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Re: Why Does Society Think I'm Some Kind of Freak for Abstaining From Alcohol? [Re: NWlight]
    #17978224 - 03/19/13 07:16 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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would you believe me if I said I was in a threesome with two strippers on friday? both of them freshmen.

betcha would :bigblunt:


courtesy of alcohol, coke, and methylone.



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Re: Why Does Society Think I'm Some Kind of Freak for Abstaining From Alcohol? [Re: NWlight]
    #17979488 - 03/19/13 01:35 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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elax420 said:
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downlowfunk said:
YEah I know a dude who eats a Gram of shrooms just to fit in at the bars, but when the chicks find out hes not drinking alcohol thye totaly turn off from him.

Fucking weird.




Why would you hang out at a bar if you aren't drinking????


I have no problems with teatotaler but thats just weird man.  Drunks are the worst when your sober anyway.







Really drunk people are so annoying when you're not drinking. Especially when they get to that stage of so sloppy drunk where they're telling the same stories, and/or making the same comments over, and over, and over again, every 5-10 minutes.  :grrr: :lol:

But I do sort of understand the other part. Sometimes you don't want to be excluded from the crowd or the fun just because you choose to abstain from the social lubricant that everyone else is indulging in.

I've gone to bars / clubs / pool halls quite a number of times where I was not drinking. And yes, it is much less fun that way. But at least you're out, socializing and junk. It's considerably more fun when you've got another vice to indulge.... like good weed or MDMA or something. Hell, I've even been to bars heavily opiated once or twice.





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NWlight said:
:lol:

maybe my life is a bud light commercial

:blewmeanie:






You wouldn't also happen to be the guy who brought sexy back, would you?  :lol:


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Re: Why Does Society Think I'm Some Kind of Freak for Abstaining From Alcohol? [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #17979883 - 03/19/13 03:08 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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CidneyIndole said:
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elax420 said:
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downlowfunk said:
YEah I know a dude who eats a Gram of shrooms just to fit in at the bars, but when the chicks find out hes not drinking alcohol thye totaly turn off from him.

Fucking weird.




Why would you hang out at a bar if you aren't drinking????


I have no problems with teatotaler but thats just weird man.  Drunks are the worst when your sober anyway.







Really drunk people are so annoying when you're not drinking. Especially when they get to that stage of so sloppy drunk where they're telling the same stories, and/or making the same comments over, and over, and over again, every 5-10 minutes.  :grrr: :lol:

But I do sort of understand the other part. Sometimes you don't want to be excluded from the crowd or the fun just because you choose to abstain from the social lubricant that everyone else is indulging in.

I've gone to bars / clubs / pool halls quite a number of times where I was not drinking. And yes, it is much less fun that way. But at least you're out, socializing and junk. It's considerably more fun when you've got another vice to indulge.... like good weed or MDMA or something. Hell, I've even been to bars heavily opiated once or twice.






Ya i can get that going to a bar with your friends and abstaining or drinking lightly, but its insane to make a bar your regular hangout when your a non drinker.


I do notice that vibe drunks give off as well and gotta admit i'm guilty of it. I kinda give sober people shit the more drunk i get but i mean it all in jest. Part of the thing thats fun about drinking is like what you said its a social lubricant, as long as you can be bullshit and be sociable sober go for it.  Just dont be a prude.

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Re: Why Does Society Think I'm Some Kind of Freak for Abstaining From Alcohol? [Re: elax420]
    #17980261 - 03/19/13 04:39 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

The only people that I know who do not drink are either recovered alcoholics, closeted homosexuals, or guys with ankle bracelets that detect alcohol.  Drinking is fun, and responsible adults can enjoy it responsibly.

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Re: Why Does Society Think I'm Some Kind of Freak for Abstaining From Alcohol? [Re: SmOakland]
    #17987388 - 03/20/13 10:47 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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...alcohol is arguably more harmful than many illegal drugs, heroin included.


 
:blush: I'm not pressuring anyone to drink, but really?

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Re: Why Does Society Think I'm Some Kind of Freak for Abstaining From Alcohol? [Re: durian_2008]
    #17987405 - 03/20/13 10:52 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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...alcohol is arguably more harmful than many illegal drugs, heroin included.


 
:blush: I'm not pressuring anyone to drink, but really?



i agree. heroin and speed are a hard sell but its pretty much way more harmful than any other illegal drug


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Re: Why Does Society Think I'm Some Kind of Freak for Abstaining From Alcohol? [Re: Grumpyorc]
    #17987434 - 03/20/13 11:00 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

I believe someone can accidentally OD on harder drugs, but alcohol (as it is sold in stores) takes some kind of conscious effort.

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Re: Why Does Society Think I'm Some Kind of Freak for Abstaining From Alcohol? [Re: durian_2008]
    #17988299 - 03/21/13 06:56 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Ethanol is a hard drug.

And you can accidentally OD on it when doing contest like shooter contest (40% ethanol is quite tricky to handle for some people :shrug: some have a longer learning curve with it) or drinking too much too fast.

Some people also buttplug it and OD this way.

And don't forget that the more you drink, the more you think you can take and it is one of the rare drug that when you consume it, you want to consume even more once the effect get settled. At least well, for me. But some friends are like this too. They don't even wanna drink, but once you offer them a beer they don't mind anymore and they take the whole 6 packs haha. Anyway. So overdose can come easy with your boosted ego.

You can accidentaly OD on lots of different drugs in fact. The dose make the poison, and the poison the dose. That's the rule, and nothing else.

BTW, Grumpy, diacetylmorhine is pretty safe. There is no harm done to the body with this molecule alone. The adulterant that come along with it (thanks to prohibition and bad chemists all around) may cause some, though. Needles sharing can cause transmission of different disease too. All due to prohibition, once again. People being stigmatized, etc etc.

It metabolize to morphine once in the body, so in fact you should simply compare it to morphine in term of damage. And well. Morphine doesn't do much biologically. It can do lots psychologically when people gets in withdrawal though. But other than that, it is pretty safe if you dose well.

I don't want to pop any bubble right here with your prejudice against some drugs but:

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When taken orally, heroin undergoes extensive first-pass metabolism via deacetylation, making it a prodrug for the systemic delivery of morphine.[4] When the drug is injected, however, it avoids this first-pass effect, very rapidly crossing the blood–brain barrier because of the presence of the acetyl groups, which render it much more fat soluble than morphine itself.[54] Once in the brain, it then is deacetylated variously into the inactive 3-monoacetylmorphine and the active 6-monoacetylmorphine (6-MAM), and then to morphine, which bind to μ-opioid receptors, resulting in the drug's euphoric, analgesic (pain relief), and anxiolytic (anti-anxiety) effects; heroin itself exhibits relatively low affinity for the μ receptor.[55] Unlike hydromorphone and oxymorphone, however, administered intravenously, heroin creates a larger histamine release, similar to morphine, resulting in the feeling of a greater subjective "body high" to some, but also instances of pruritus (itching) when they first start using




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diacetylmorphine#Adverse_effects

Easy as this.

So yes, ethanol would be, in fact, WAY MORE damaging than morphine to all organs you got in your little envelop called the body.

:shrug:

On another note, amphetamine can be a more serious problem is abused.

But for all drug, moderate use is never a problem. The body adapt and react very well to lots of differents chemical once in a while. Abuse though, it's always a different story.

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Re: Why Does Society Think I'm Some Kind of Freak for Abstaining From Alcohol? [Re: Simplepowa]
    #17988428 - 03/21/13 07:59 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

I agree that alcohol is one of the most dangerous, if not the most dangerous of the commonly used drugs. Alcohol has the negative effects of most hard drugs and then some of its own.


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Re: Why Does Society Think I'm Some Kind of Freak for Abstaining From Alcohol? [Re: Darwin23]
    #17988990 - 03/21/13 10:55 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

It may sound weird trusting the opinion of people on this site rather than my own google research, but I must propose a question. Does alcohol help your neurological development in small doses? Keep in mind that I am interested in having better energy levels, good memory, being able to recall my dream world much like I can with my waking world (yes I know it's a terrible idea to drink before sleep). I am equally open to abstaining as I am to persisting, but I don't wanna cause permanent organ damage.


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Re: Why Does Society Think I'm Some Kind of Freak for Abstaining From Alcohol? [Re: SMPSNtheserious]
    #17989180 - 03/21/13 11:44 AM (11 years, 1 month ago)

If you don't like opinion, I can offer you facts.

:confused:

:lol:

When talking about subject like those, opinion are worthless. You ask specific question that need scientific fact to be able to be answered. With that in mind, and with people that back their sources, you can trust anybody on this website.

Ethanol to remember dreams would be a very bad idea as you cant go into REM with ethanol still in your blood. You need to be in the REM state to be able to dream, so not be able to go in that state is a big no-no for you.

In fact, if you want good level of energy, please, do not drink alcohol. You cannot reach the deep sleep phase with ethanol in your blood, it has to be metabolized first before you can reach it. So drinking before sleeping make it seems as if you sleep better as you can fall asleep a lot faster, being a little depressed in your central nervous system. But don't be fooled. You'll only grow tired and tired. Plus, tolerance will start to show, you'll drink more and it will take a bit more time to metabolize ethanol hence lowering the good repairing sleep you get in a night.

I'm going mostly by memory here but here's Wiki:

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Main article: Alcohol use and sleep
Moderate alcohol consumption and sleep disruptions

Moderate alcohol consumption 30–60 minutes before sleep, although decreasing sleep onset latency, disrupts sleep architecture.[6] Rebound effects occur once the alcohol has been largely metabolized, causing late night disruptions in sleep maintenance. Under conditions of moderate alcohol consumption where blood alcohol levels average 0.06–0.08 percent and decrease 0.01–0.02 percent per hour, an alcohol clearance rate of 4–5 hours would coincide with disruptions in sleep maintenance in the second half of an 8 hour sleep episode.[6] In terms of sleep architecture, moderate doses of alcohol facilitate "rebounds" in rapid eye movement (REM) and stage 1 sleep; following suppression in REM and stage 1 sleep in the first half of an 8 hour sleep episode, REM and stage 1 sleep increase well beyond baseline in the second half. Moderate doses of alcohol also very quickly increase slow wave sleep (SWS) in the first half of an 8 hour sleep episode.[6] Enhancements in REM sleep and SWS following moderate alcohol consumption are mediated by reductions in glutamatergic activity by adenosine in the central nervous system.[6] In addition, tolerance to changes in sleep maintenance and sleep architecture develops within 3 days of alcohol consumption before bedtime.[6]
Alcohol consumption and sleep improvements

Low doses of alcohol (one 360 ml (13 imp fl oz; 12 US fl oz) beer) appear to increase total sleep time and reduce awakening during the night. The sleep-promoting benefits of alcohol dissipate at moderate and higher doses of alcohol.[7] Previous experience with alcohol also influences the extent to which alcohol positively or negatively affects sleep. Under free-choice conditions, in which subjects chose between drinking alcohol or water, inexperienced drinkers were sedated while experienced drinkers were stimulated following alcohol consumption.[8] In insomniacs, moderate doses of alcohol improve sleep maintenance.[9]
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Alcohol consumption and fatigue

Conditions of sleep deprivation correlate positively with increased alcohol consumption.[6] In Northern climates, increased alcohol consumption during the winter is attributed to escalations in fatigue.[10]
Alcohol abstinence and sleep disruptions

Hormonal imbalance and sleep disruption following withdrawal from chronic alcohol consumption are strong predictors of relapse.[5] During abstinence, recovering alcoholics have attenuated melatonin secretion at onset of a sleep episode, resulting in prolonged sleep onset latencies.[11] Escalations in cortisol and core body temperatures during the sleep period contribute to poor sleep maintenance.[11][12]





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short-term_effects_of_alcohol

I suggest you to read the full article though: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_use_and_sleep

As for memory, well... this is not good. Yes ethanol and it's metabolite can be used for brain fuel (energy), but ethanol itself impairs memory, be it functioning memory, short term and long term.

Again, I suggest you read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_alcohol_on_memory#Effects_on_nervous_system

Have fun!

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Edit: ethanol does not help "neurological development in small doses" too. It inhibits neurogenesis... Plus, it causes neuroinflammation that lead to cell apoptotisis. Meaning the cell die. It is one of the very few drugs that can actually KILL brain cells. I do not see this happening with illegal drug at all in fact.

Had to add it after re-reading, just seen you had written that.


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Re: Why Does Society Think I'm Some Kind of Freak for Abstaining From Alcohol? [Re: Simplepowa]
    #17989427 - 03/21/13 12:39 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

What i dont get about this site is its all about dispelling Propaganda about drug use right? Like people will rage if you say a bad word about bud but it seems most people gobble up this alcohol shit like candy :shrug:

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Re: Why Does Society Think I'm Some Kind of Freak for Abstaining From Alcohol? [Re: elax420]
    #17989495 - 03/21/13 12:55 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

physically alcohol is completely horrible for your health compared to bud, in any way consumed

mentally might be different


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Re: Why Does Society Think I'm Some Kind of Freak for Abstaining From Alcohol? [Re: elax420]
    #17989500 - 03/21/13 12:55 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe because ethanol is indeed harmful where cannabis tend to be very little?

And maybe there is an over effect of 60+ years of propaganda about the harm of cannabis, people are tired of it. Now with evidence and the truth more spread out on cannabis, people are more careful on what information they will decide to ingest and integrate in their everyday normal life. I mean, if you feed me bullshit for so long and then I discover this isn't real, I too wouldn't believe a word you say afterwards, or I'll be way more cautious. This is what is happening currently.

:shrug:

And can I ask, where is this "alcohol shit"? There is no shit right here, all of this as been proven and established since so long. But it is your right to close your eyes on the harm done by alcohol or any drug you want, nobody is forcing you to believe, you know.

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Re: Why Does Society Think I'm Some Kind of Freak for Abstaining From Alcohol? [Re: Simplepowa]
    #17989868 - 03/21/13 02:27 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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hidenseek1 said:
physically alcohol is completely horrible for your health compared to bud, in any way consumed

mentally might be different




Duh but propaganda is propaganda none the less

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Simplepowa said:
Maybe because ethanol is indeed harmful where cannabis tend to be very little?

And maybe there is an over effect of 60+ years of propaganda about the harm of cannabis, people are tired of it. Now with evidence and the truth more spread out on cannabis, people are more careful on what information they will decide to ingest and integrate in their everyday normal life. I mean, if you feed me bullshit for so long and then I discover this isn't real, I too wouldn't believe a word you say afterwards, or I'll be way more cautious. This is what is happening currently.

:shrug:

And can I ask, where is this "alcohol shit"? There is no shit right here, all of this as been proven and established since so long. But it is your right to close your eyes on the harm done by alcohol or any drug you want, nobody is forcing you to believe, you know.

:thumbup:




There is way more than 60 years of propaganda related to alcohol.



Im not closing my eyes to alcohols harms either i know very well that alcohol is not healthy. Its just really trendy in stoner circles to talk about the evils of alcohol after smoking a blunt to the face.

Really your concerned about health and you just smoked 3 grams of plant material :archiebunker:

Im not even talking shit on weed because i love weed. i just think it is incredibly ironic to use the same methods prohibitionists use against weed to use against alcohol.

4 beers and bowl a day isnt going to give you lung cancer or liver cancer.

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