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Re: Detroit Hits The Skids - The Progressive Disaster Has Begun [Re: OMGitsBigCheeze]
#17957118 - 03/14/13 08:14 PM (11 years, 17 days ago) |
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there are some really great old buildings to go exploring there.it was a very nice city 60-80 years ago.
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Re: Detroit Hits The Skids - The Progressive Disaster Has Begun [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin]
#17957120 - 03/14/13 08:15 PM (11 years, 17 days ago) |
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Dr. P. Silocybin said: soo no one here gives a damn about democracy?
I wonder how you all would be reacting if it was obama declaring "emergencies" in republican states and appointing new leaders.
most republican states aren't total shitholes in need of rescuing like most democrat states/cities
your point is moot
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Re: Detroit Hits The Skids - The Progressive Disaster Has Begun [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin]
#17957150 - 03/14/13 08:21 PM (11 years, 17 days ago) |
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Dr. P. Silocybin said: soo no one here gives a damn about democracy?
I wonder how you all would be reacting if it was obama declaring "emergencies" in republican states and appointing new leaders.
What does democracy have to do with this? Insolvent irresponsible cities, states, or countries suffer the consequences, nothing new here.
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Re: Detroit Hits The Skids - The Progressive Disaster Has Begun [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin] 1
#17957153 - 03/14/13 08:22 PM (11 years, 17 days ago) |
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I thought conservatives were all about allowing localities the flexibility to self govern. I guess that's only when those localities elect leaders they agree with.
The voters of Michigan overturned the law that allowed these emergency takeovers in the 2012 election. The Michigcan legislature responded by passing a very similar law that included a clause exempting it from voter referendum.
This is voter disenfranchisement. I don't care how bad things are in Detroit. The citizens of that city have the to right to elect their leaders.
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Re: Detroit Hits The Skids - The Progressive Disaster Has Begun [Re: qman]
#17957156 - 03/14/13 08:23 PM (11 years, 17 days ago) |
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qman said:
What does democracy have to do with this?
cuzz liek uhh, the gurvinment is bad maaaaan. duh.
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Re: Detroit Hits The Skids - The Progressive Disaster Has Begun [Re: qman]
#17957176 - 03/14/13 08:27 PM (11 years, 17 days ago) |
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qman said:
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Dr. P. Silocybin said: soo no one here gives a damn about democracy?
I wonder how you all would be reacting if it was obama declaring "emergencies" in republican states and appointing new leaders.
What does democracy have to do with this? Insolvent irresponsible cities, states, or countries suffer the consequences, nothing new here.
The democratically elected leaders of Detroit have been replaced by people chosen by Rick Snyder.
so if your state had budgetary problems you wouldn't object to obama appointing a new government that you have no say in?
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Re: Detroit Hits The Skids - The Progressive Disaster Has Begun [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin]
#17957198 - 03/14/13 08:31 PM (11 years, 17 days ago) |
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"Emergency" governments are not to be trusted. To say the least.
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Re: Detroit Hits The Skids - The Progressive Disaster Has Begun [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#17957251 - 03/14/13 08:39 PM (11 years, 17 days ago) |
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conservatives: pro "small government" anti "democracy"
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Re: Detroit Hits The Skids - The Progressive Disaster Has Begun [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin]
#17957276 - 03/14/13 08:45 PM (11 years, 17 days ago) |
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Dr. P. Silocybin said: conservatives: pro "small government" anti "democracy"
people that believe in the liberal/conservative paradigm: hopelessly naive, ignorant, and controllable
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Re: Detroit Hits The Skids - The Progressive Disaster Has Begun [Re: JesusIsLord]
#17957293 - 03/14/13 08:48 PM (11 years, 17 days ago) |
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I was making a generalization about the rhetoric/actions of the republican party...
I think it's a valid observation
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Re: Detroit Hits The Skids - The Progressive Disaster Has Begun [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin]
#17957307 - 03/14/13 08:50 PM (11 years, 17 days ago) |
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Dr. P. Silocybin said: I was making a generalization about the rhetoric/actions of the republican party...
I think it's a valid observation
In fairness, I do believe "emergency economic rescue" governments were the Republicans' idea.
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Re: Detroit Hits The Skids - The Progressive Disaster Has Begun [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#17957319 - 03/14/13 08:52 PM (11 years, 17 days ago) |
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republican/democrat is a fucking illusion. read between the lines
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Re: Detroit Hits The Skids - The Progressive Disaster Has Begun [Re: JesusIsLord]
#17957381 - 03/14/13 09:02 PM (11 years, 17 days ago) |
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If you don't see any difference between the actions of republicans, and the actions of democrats, then I don't know what to tell you. Sure they are all politicians which means they're all corrupted by the same influence$, but they are not all the same. Elections matter.
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Re: Detroit Hits The Skids - The Progressive Disaster Has Begun [Re: JesusIsLord]
#17957384 - 03/14/13 09:03 PM (11 years, 17 days ago) |
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JesusIsLord said: republican/democrat is a fucking illusion. read between the lines
I agree with this, I'm just keeping tallies over here. One of the very few and very slight differences between Repubs and Dems is that it was Repubs who came up with this idea.
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Re: Detroit Hits The Skids - The Progressive Disaster Has Begun [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin]
#17957395 - 03/14/13 09:06 PM (11 years, 17 days ago) |
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Dr. P. Silocybin said: I thought conservatives were all about allowing localities the flexibility to self govern. I guess that's only when those localities elect leaders they agree with.
The voters of Michigan overturned the law that allowed these emergency takeovers in the 2012 election. The Michigcan legislature responded by passing a very similar law that included a clause exempting it from voter referendum.
This is voter disenfranchisement. I don't care how bad things are in Detroit. The citizens of that city have the to right to elect their leaders.
This is where is does get a little complicated, it really comes down to the creditors or the holders of Detroit's debt, and the potential buyers of Detroit's new debt.
If Detroit does not access to the credit market, total mayhem will unfold in a matter of days, no schools, no fire or police department, ect.
They are trying to save Detroit a lot of short term pain, and work with them to avoid a lot of panic.
If you want to leave it to the voters, Detroit will be toast and the money flow will be gone.
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Re: Detroit Hits The Skids - The Progressive Disaster Has Begun [Re: qman]
#17957424 - 03/14/13 09:12 PM (11 years, 17 days ago) |
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qman said:
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Dr. P. Silocybin said: I thought conservatives were all about allowing localities the flexibility to self govern. I guess that's only when those localities elect leaders they agree with.
The voters of Michigan overturned the law that allowed these emergency takeovers in the 2012 election. The Michigcan legislature responded by passing a very similar law that included a clause exempting it from voter referendum.
This is voter disenfranchisement. I don't care how bad things are in Detroit. The citizens of that city have the to right to elect their leaders.
This is where is does get a little complicated, it really comes down to the creditors or the holders of Detroit's debt, and the potential buyers of Detroit's new debt.
If Detroit does not access to the credit market, total mayhem will unfold in a matter of days, no schools, no fire or police department, ect.
They are trying to save Detroit a lot of short term pain, and work with them to avoid a lot of panic.
If you want to leave it to the voters, Detroit will be toast and the money flow will be gone.
That same arguement has been made before...
People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.
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Re: Detroit Hits The Skids - The Progressive Disaster Has Begun [Re: qman] 1
#17957429 - 03/14/13 09:13 PM (11 years, 17 days ago) |
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qman said: This is where is does get a little complicated
The more specious the argument, the more complicated.
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Re: Detroit Hits The Skids - The Progressive Disaster Has Begun [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin] 1
#17957445 - 03/14/13 09:16 PM (11 years, 17 days ago) |
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Dr. P. Silocybin said: conservatives: pro "small government" anti "democracy"
Actually, I'll go one further--
conservatives: pro-emergency.
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Re: Detroit Hits The Skids - The Progressive Disaster Has Begun [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin]
#17957463 - 03/14/13 09:21 PM (11 years, 17 days ago) |
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Dr. P. Silocybin said: If you don't see any difference between the actions of republicans, and the actions of democrats, then I don't know what to tell you. Sure they are all politicians which means they're all corrupted by the same influence$, but they are not all the same. Elections matter.
lol, you actually believe in the two party system.
that's rich .
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Re: Detroit Hits The Skids - The Progressive Disaster Has Begun [Re: mpd]
#17957465 - 03/14/13 09:21 PM (11 years, 17 days ago) |
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Does this mean I can't count on going to Detroit and getting Free Stuff?
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