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A symbolic presentation of the evidence that Science proved GOD
    #17929922 - 03/09/13 04:45 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

I wrote this thesis paper in college, this is part of it, in order to graduate with a degree in consciousness studies. BA

It presents clear proff of God, not the man in the sky judging you or a religious God, but you will see, read on.


On the pinkish sparkling ocean of love, three figures sit confronting each other. One figure is a dark orb with blood dripping from its center, the head of a large mouth bass smoking a cigar grows out of the top of the orb. The bass, Satan, sits upon a throne floating above the ocean, made with the disembodied heads of Hitler, Stalin, Freud, Charles Manson, Nietzsche and others. In western culture, we are used to strictly fundamentalist Christians using Satan in their arguments, but it is not in that sense that I am using this symbolic figure, who I have obvious altered the image of in order to promote a cosmic joke understanding. Yogananda, a yogi mystic, writes, “Satan originated as the natural consequence of God’s desireless desire to divide his Sea of Oneness into waves of finite creation…” 1 This division occurs only in the perception of a deluded perceiving mechanism in an individual form, for example a human being that experiences separation from the environment. Satan represents this fundamental force controlled by the one consciousness (God), and through this force all the dramas, sufferings, dualities and sensory pleasures of life exist by “cosmic deception and universal mental magic.” 2 Returning to the drama of the ocean, Satan is attempting to confuse the other figures. The figures are a long hair bearded hippie known as Jesus and Quan Yin, a female bodhisattva from Asia, both of whom are floating on John and Yoko’s bed they used in their Bed-In for Peace in 1969. The couple represents humans that that have knowledge of the one consciousness through getting in touch with “the infinite being” inside us all, who forever remains “transcendent, beyond vibratory dualities,” while facing Satan’s absurd attempt to confuse those with mystic knowledge.3

Satan giggles at the couple, as several weapons grow from its dark red center. It sees religious fundamentalism, delusions of grandeur, worldly greed, secular agnostic open mindedness, but finally settles on the most insidious method which looks like a burning pitchfork growing out of the center. The pitchfork represents advocating a total materialistic Channel 1 approach as undeniable fact. It calls upon some admittedly brilliant minds in philosophy and science, and it’s minions to carry out the deception. The bass speaks as the cigar smoke billows out of it’s eyes, “Around 13.7 billion years ago, our universe emerged with a big bang from an incredibly hot and dense state. This is not to say we know the origin of the universe, instead it describes the development of the universe over time beginning with this event. There is much evidence for this including the age of stars, abundance of light elements, and the large scale structures of the universe.4 For example, the measured velocities of distant galaxies measured over large scales of time are only explained by this theory.5 It also has predictive validity in the area of cosmic microwave background radiation, further validating it.6 There is no need to insert a favorite outdated myth of an intelligent designer in this process (regardless of its nature) when the evidence clearly points to there being no consciousness or intelligence at this stage in the Universe.” Jesus giggles with joy, obviously not fooled. Satan lets out a lions roar, calling upon one of its fiercest minions, Richard Dawkins, who promotes an atheistic science paradigm. He says to Jesus, “God should be spoken of in the same way as Father Christmas or the Tooth Fairy" Jesus asks, “Why?” To which, Dawkins says, “The hypothesis of God offers no worthwhile explanation for anything”7
Satan continues, “Just like we rational thinkers acknowledge a person having a good set of dice at the crap table, we acknowledge there are anthropic coincidences. Earthly life is very sensitive to the values of several fundamental physical constants. Making the tiniest change in any of these, and life as we know it would not exist.8 Yet this is just a clear random process, thus we do argue against using this data to support that there is some sort of intelligence involved in this process. It is clear that ‘at the very outset of the big bang the mass of the elementary particles, the strength of the four forces, and the values of the fundamental constants were very precise.’9 I admit that at the time of the Big Bang, it was so precise that the explosive force of the Bang and gravity had to match in a 1 out of 1060 chance, but you religious nuts will take that big number the wrong way and use it to fuel your irrational beliefs. This number comes from the data that if it was any higher it would consist of gas without stars or planets, and if it were too much lower then it would collapse back into a singular point.10 This does not surprise us scientists, it is only the intelligent design people that seem to take these things and use them to fuel their moronic preschool agenda.”
The orb spits red blood all over the couple, a deep dark voice comes from the orb, “It is clear, the data for this so called ‘fine tuning’ has mounted up; the nuclear forces, the electromagnetic coupling constant, and the entropy level all involve these unlikely coincidences. However in modern science, we have assumed it was a lifeless random process for years, and this data is not powerful enough to change our minds. We own fact, and the fact is we don’t need God to explain things, thus ‘God is dead’ as Nietzsche declared! For all we know, this universe is just one of many, thus there are so many random developing universes, making the characteristics of ours not an unlikely event but an inevitable event, you idealistic hippies!11 Anyway, to continue the story of these random processes, eventually life formed on earth, and evolution lead to the human being that asks these questions and creates Gods to explain them.”
Let’s forget the question of intelligent design and random processes for a bit that Satan is so focused on, and deal with the issue of consciousness. Consciousness is usually never even mentioned in this discussion, but it is fundamental to all of these issues. It must be thrown it into the mix because who we are is intimately linked to where we come from in the history of the universe.  First is the question of what do we mean by consciousness and what needs to be answered about it. This question is divided into two parts by David Chalmers the easy and hard problems. The easy problem is explaining how the various functions occur in human beings, which has been answered for the most part in neuroscience’s mapping out of the brain. Thus “explaining discrimination, integration, accessibility, internal monitoring, reportability and so on, all concern the performance of various functions” in a way that gives validity to the materialist perspective. The hard question is very profound, why is the performance of these functions associated with conscious experience whom is the observer?12 It is one of the oldest questions human kind has faced. Sure I see, I hear, I taste and all that, but who is the “I” that has these experiences, who am I?
The materialist minions of Satan are divided into two types in answering this question, going outward instead of inward to answer it. The dark pitchfork flies into the air, burning in hell fire, and spins as the bass speaks, “The type A answer is that there is no hard problem, and that in explaining the various function the question of consciousness have been resolved. One type A advocate a beloved minion of mine, Paul Churchland, compared the hard problem to philosophers of the 19th century concerned with light, who thought there needs to be more explaining then just structure and function. This hard problem around light was just a result of lack of knowledge about its properties. In the modern era, we understand light through physics as much as we understand consciousness through discovering the structure and functions of the brain. Churchland verbally punches his opponents basically saying that hard questions advocates are just stuck in the 19th century. On the other hand, the type B answer accepts the hard problem, but the framework of materialism will answer it completely with more research into the brain and other sciences.13 These minions of mine are hopeful that science will discover that ‘consciousness and certain physical processes are correlated, the best hypothesis is that the two are identical.’14 This will help prove what we already know, that we are nothing but a pile of goop we call our brain, and upon its death our meaningless life will be over.”
Jesus jumps up and grabs the pitch fork and tosses it to Quan Yin, who speaks gently like a mother to a newborn son, “In quantum mechanics little baby, a science that began within the usual materialist paradigm, the demise of material realism will occur beyond any shadow of a doubt, while also making sense of both consciousness and the intelligent design debate. Both A and B answers to Chalmers hard question fall apart, by showing that the “I” who undergoes experiences is not the brain, but rather the ghost of consciousness perceiving subjectively itself (all space-time) through the machine of the brain. Much to the dismay of your materialist minions that worship a lie, the C answer is the one consciousness. This idealist and non-dual approach, which connects all beyond time/space and all in time/space in the non-separation of oneness, is satisfying to certain cutting edge scientists. I will use your most powerful weapon of materialist science to help defeat you, my friend, backing up the C with hard evidence. This is like kindergarten though, for you must be before you see the C answer, despite what evidence I show you.” Jesus, now back on the bed, prays and summons one of his scientist friends, Amit Goswami. Goswami speaks, “Almost a century ago, a series of experimental discoveries was made in physics that called for a change in our world view.” It is through his analysis of these experiments and the science of quantum mechanics, that we must abandon the materialistic view. Jesus tells Satan, “Science must admit that it has actually found the answer to the hard question, in a way that promotes mystical truth as fact.15  I will explain how a purely channel 1 materialistic approach to this science is impossible. Keep in mind that it is not the experiment’s validity that is argued against by materialists, it is the interpretation of the experiments.” Satan tries to respond, but Jesus grabs the bass and holds its mouth shut. Jesus whispers in the bass’s ear, “I love you because lovin is how I roll, but it’s my turn now, shut the hell up.”
Jesus explains, “One of the first fatal blows to materialism comes with the double slit experiment. Scientist have arranged so that ‘a beam of electrons passes through a screen that has two narrow slits in it.’ Without an observer the beam splits into two sets of waves, the waves interfere creating a clear result on the screen that is called an ‘interference pattern.’16 This shows that electrons, the smallest bits of matter, behave like waves. This is true, even when electrons are shot one by one, ruling out an explanation that the particles some how bounce off each other.17 A question proposed about this is, ‘can a single electron split, pass through both slits, and interfere with itself?’ The answer is yes, undoubtedly it can, not only mathematically verified but also verified through this experiment and others. Such things really baffled scientists when they first ran across this data, it was too mysterious and strange for the world of physics. These waves can never be predicted totally accurately because they exist in probabilities. These probability waves have strange implications but it is not yet that dangerous to the materialist’s view point, just confusing.”18  Quan Yin says, “Well clarify it for us, Jesus.”

Jesus speaks, “With this confusion in mind the experiment is changed, now an observer is added, by focusing ‘a flashlight on a slit to see which hole the electron is really passing through.’ When this conscious observer is added, ‘the interference pattern has disappeared.’ The electrons no longer act like probability waves, but particles. Thus they collapse upon our observation, throwing consciousness into the mix. This doesn’t fit into the materialist viewpoint, and begins its demise.19 Heisenberg, a pioneer in quantum mechanics, explains that before the observation, the electrons exist in potentia. Yet everything in the world of materialism must exist in space and time.” The bass bites Jesus’s hand, and screams out, “There is nothing but matter, so these electrons must be somewhere when not observed. How dare you even think you can use science against the dark lord!”20 Jesus tosses the bass to Quan Yin who kisses it on the lips. The orb and the throne disappear. All that is left of Satan is the quivering bass. Quan Yin tosses Satan’s cigar into the air, and it turns into an image of Dr. Goswami surrounded by a halo of light. 
Goswami argues, “Since the electron’s wave collapses immediately upon our observation, potentia cannot be in the domain of space-time.” Jesus responds, “Yes that is true my friend. The experiment only makes sense if potentia exists outside of space-time, in a transcendent realm of possibilities.21 These possibilities are finally observed after passing through the slits in the interference pattern thus it appears to be existing in a material realm, but we are just observing the material evidence of this beyond time-space realm of possibilities that exists when there is no observer to collapse on the screen. This proves that conscious observers create the universe through observation, collapsing possibilities into time-space.” The Bass pleads, scared to death of the end of its very existence, “Yet this leaves a whole bunch of questions; did an intelligence set up the possibilities, what conscious observer can collapse, how does this process work, how is it beyond time if it is occurring in time and what about Nonlocality, what about Chalmers? Your argument may have wounded me but I am far from defeated.” Quan Yin says, “To conclude that there is only one consciousness and understand at least some of its nature, we must look into two more experiments.”
Jesus speaks, “From the last experiment, it is clear that consciousness collapses objects into space/time, exploring into this further we see that it is nonlocal, a consciousness clearly beyond space, that is one with all of space through its nonlocality that collapses itself. The revolutionary experiment known as Aspects’ experiment done by Alan Aspect, ‘used polarization-correlated photons that emerged in opposite directions from a source of calcium atoms,’ and ‘a detector was setup on the path of each beam of photons.’ What makes this experiment undeniable is a switch that ‘changed the polarization settings of one of the detectors every ten-billionth of a second.’ This time frame is shorter then the speed of light or other local signals between the detector locations, to thus rule out locality. Despite materialism not allowing this, the switch always changed the outcome in the measurement in the other location, proving this Nonlocal communication.”22
Quan Yin flashes a peace sign and holds the bass up in the air. The bass sees a beautiful supernova explode in the sky. A beautiful voice emerges from the explosion, “Due to this experiment, materialists begrudgingly admit the quantum collapse must be nonlocal while still clinging to materialism as if it were holy writ that could never be questioned or one would be burned at the scientific stake of losing credibility, respect and perhaps even funding. Einstein (even though he gave lip-service to God) and other physicists feel there is incompleteness in quantum mechanics because of this, and eventually there will be a materialist answer that resolves these problems. Despite the reluctance of most scientists to jump on the consciousness bandwagon of oneness, some have been willing to sound like mystics concluding that this Nonlocality is an ‘essential aspect of the collapse of the wave function,’ and thus consciousness is beyond space, all of space, shown by the collapse of the photon at a distance that forces it to take a certain polarization that works for both detector locations.”23 The bass shaking in fear mutters, “Yet what about the issue of time, consciousness is beyond space thus shared throughout all of space as a ground of Being but the question remains, where is it in time?”
Jesus giggles, explaining, “The question of time is dealt with well in quantum mechanics in the delayed choice experiment. This experiment was designed by John Wheeler, so that an apparatus in which, ‘a beam of light is split into two beams, each of equal intensity—one reflected and one transmitted—by using a half-silvered mirror.’ As the mirror splits the beam, each photon can possibility travel to two paths, which in the unobserved aspect acts as a wave which results in a cancellation due to an interference pattern discussed in the double-slit experiment. If a second mirror is taken away, in which the decision and observation is made, the wave is collapsed into a particle and thus hits on one or another path in which a counter ticks. Dealing with the question of time, the experimenter decides at the very last moment, whether or not to measure the wave or particle aspect, through the observation which is intimately connected to the removal or non-removal of the second mirror.24 However, the photons in time have already traveled past the point of splitting if you view time in a linear way. Yet the photon always conforms to the decision with knowledge of the experimenter’s choice, clear intelligence in the basic building blocks on the universe.” Jesus concludes, “The choice happened in the future and it effected the past, showing that essentially consciousness and the decisions of collapse being played out through conscious observers within time and space, essentially occurs in a beyond time realm that is also beyond space as proven in aspect’s experiment.25 This leads one inescapable conclusion of Channel 3 the “here and now” where past, present and future blend into an eternal moment where only one consciousness exists, God.”
Bass mumbles something about Chalmer’s hard question. Quan Yin speaks softly, “Now that there is a Channel 3, it makes perfect sense why there is a conscious experience of the various stimuli in this universe. God enters into a collapsed particles it observes, for example a human bio-unit with a neuronal system of central control, to carry out its creation through the observation, thus experience its design through various vantage points all seeing a shared reality. The question of why doesn’t remain, it wanted it this way. If this seems absurd to you because of the suffering linked with the experience of the universe, then you are close to the cosmic joke, because it is absolutely absurd from the perspective of form, but from the formless transcendent makes perfect sense.”  The bass admits defeat, “Well you answered Chalmer’s hard question with the concept of Channel 3, you solved the intelligent design debate, and you defeated materialism with this mysterious science of quantum mechanics. You win, are you going to kill me?” Jesus materializes a frying pan and winks at the bass.
Quan Yin sits in lotus posture and says, “There really is no Satan in the emptiness of Nirvana, for that which thinks it is separate is part of the oneness. This shows that there is no need to kill Satan, so swim in the ocean of love with the other bass, my friend. For, we must keep in mind what Yogananda writes, ‘everything is made of one cosmic consciousness of God, there is no evil in the all perfect God.’ Therefore the deceptive aspect plays a part in what makes life/death a worthwhile journey”26 Jesus responds, “Yes Quan Yin, my father speaks through you. Your mind games as John Lennon would put it, raise the spirit of peace and love. They are truly hilarious.” They both laugh so hard and so long that their forms turn into a yellow submarine and dive into the ocean of oneness and love, in the background you can hear the voice of John Lennon during the Bed In, shout out, “I’m you, baby!” All that is left is the ocean shining and sparkling eternally. Even though they wouldn’t go as far as Goswami in their conclusions, it is no wonder the founders of Quantum science began to explore mysticism and idealist philosophy to explain what they had uncovered. “Pauli examined psychoanalysis and archetypes and the Quabbalah; Bohr, the Tao and Chinese Philosophy, Schrödinger, Hindu philosophy; and Heisenberg, the Platonic theory of Ancient Greece.”27 Quantum Mechanics obviously didn’t answer all the questions, it just opened up the mystery of channel 3, which is established fact like gravity. Even though this is true, channel 3 is doubted by many, like schizophrenic disorder transmitted in the realm of ideas and thoughts, the psychotic disease of the bass has invaded mankind dividing the unity under the orders of God’s almighty will. The why this has been done can be truly understood by human beings in blissful laughs or a certain smile or tears or quiet reverence or prayers or deep meditation that contains compassionate deep awareness.


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Re: A symbolic presentation of the evidence that Science proved GOD [Re: Cosmicjoker]
    #17929950 - 03/09/13 04:49 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

I thought there would be pictures. :sad:

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Re: A symbolic presentation of the evidence that Science proved GOD [Re: Middleman]
    #17930019 - 03/09/13 05:04 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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Mr. Middle said:
I thought there would be pictures. :sad:



Lol.

Love ya, Cosmicjoker, but a fair number of readers in this forum are probably 50+ somethings whose vision is... hmm... sort of startin' to go south.  If ya know what I mean.

More white space in your posts would be very appreciated.

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Re: A symbolic presentation of the evidence that Science proved GOD [Re: Middleman]
    #17930300 - 03/09/13 05:55 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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Mr. Middle said:
I thought there would be pictures. :sad:



:thumbup:


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Re: A symbolic presentation of the evidence that Science proved GOD [Re: Icelander]
    #17930629 - 03/09/13 06:57 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Good effort, young man


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Re: A symbolic presentation of the evidence that Science proved GOD [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #17933312 - 03/10/13 12:19 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Hard stuff, that polarized photon experiment particularly piqued my interest.


It seems that non-locality is the mechanism by which global wavefunction collapse occurs. There needs to be no information transfer because it's a single all-encompassing decision by a single observer, not a number of observers collectively agreeing on a decision. A single word moves every particle to its destination, the same word spoken to each and every particle moves them in myriad ways.

Thus, non-locality and information transfer do not violate each other. Something is transferred "faster than the speed of light" or more accurately, instantaneously.


But where the materialist paradigm is wholly misguided is that it seems nothing is transferred in non-locality, transfer is the wrong word. Transfer requires an origin and a destination, things that cannot occur instantaneously. Rather what we see as non-locality is a global transformation of the entire 4-manifold. Just as the question "What created God" is meaningless and self-nonsensifying because God is not a 3D object floating along a 4th dimension of time and creation/destruction only applies to those objects which actually match that description.

It's all flapdoodle and handwaving by materialists, dressed up with big words and fancy formulae; remove the obfuscatory fluff and you're left with hot air, pure falsehood. A pretence of super-intelligence, that Joe Average is too ape-like to know these Higher Truths and would not understand them, yet these it is who are the fools and they do not even see their own folly.



Another way to look at non-locality is the buddhist concept of codependent arising. Two phenomena can share the same cause. But there is directionality to it which creates the varied effects. Like a river flowing into you from the east, another river of information from the west: these are currents of stress-energy-momentum as general relativity calls it. If the rivers flow in the same direction then you move. If the rivers flow in opposing directions, then you stay still. Then on top of this you have the choice to make ripples in your immediate space and these ripples themselves actually decide the entire flow of the river. So while each volume of space has a Will of its own, all space is moved by the same Will.


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"THE Human, you, is a miniscule but essential part of that pattern. In it lies complete fulfillment. It will never become something it is not, but it will never need to be anything else." - Wiccan_Seeker

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Re: A symbolic presentation of the evidence that Science proved GOD [Re: crkhd]
    #17954210 - 03/14/13 09:39 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks ya'all


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