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Claviceps variations
    #1795230 - 08/09/03 02:14 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Do any of you kind folk have info on different alkaloid contents of Claviceps purpurea populations? Even a preferred strain? I'm not looking to loose my fingers and toes here, I just wanted to know if any were more notable than others. thanks


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Re: Claviceps variations [Re: nubus]
    #1796774 - 08/10/03 12:10 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

The are about 36 fungi within the genus claviceps. They act as parasites on more than 600 plants of the families Poaceae, Juncaceae and Cyperaceae, including certain grasses and cereals like wheat, corn, barley, rice, oats, and rye. It looks like most types of claviceps purpurae are associated with certain regions and can probably not be generalized world-wide.


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Re: Claviceps variations [Re: nubus]
    #1796941 - 08/10/03 01:24 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

They are very toxic man, think gangreen and intense dellusions.


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Re: Claviceps variations [Re: gdman]
    #1797186 - 08/10/03 03:11 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Yea thats what I've been going on... but I still can't find a damn thing on the different chemical compositions of its regional populations. Anyone?


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Re: Claviceps variations [Re: nubus]
    #1797283 - 08/10/03 04:13 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

What are you going to do if you find out that the most potent varieties have been found on the other side of the world? Fly there are grab some ergot?

I don't think you should be concerned with finding the best genetic straing. You should concern yourself with learning about how to be feed these plants. The best substrates for ergot alkaloid (EA) production in C. Purpurae are slowly metabolizable saccharides such as sucrose, maltose, and polyos like mannitol and sorbitol (sorbitol is the inert ingredient in cough syrups, BTW). Apparently the autumn season in the worst for EA production. High quality strains do exist in public collections, but most of the best strains are possessed by pharmaceutical companies. Strains display high variability and degenerate.

I don't think you'd have very good luck trying to purchase a pure strain off of a pharmaceutical company.


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Re: Claviceps variations [Re: Phencyclidine]
    #1797469 - 08/10/03 07:13 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I don't happen to find myself interested in traveling to find some ultra potent strain or even lab culture of Claviceps (although it is interesting). The info on the existence of high quality strains and degradation issues is right up my alley. thank you


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Re: Claviceps variations [Re: nubus]
    #1799749 - 08/10/03 11:51 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I may be wrong about ergot only growing on living organisms. My book on ergot seems to imply that a living strain can be grown on a synthetic medium. I can let you know later.


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Re: Claviceps variations [Re: Phencyclidine]
    #1800572 - 08/11/03 04:26 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I've heard of a method of lab culture, but a rye host seems to be the easier approach, at least from what I've read. The lab culture method seemed to be for direct alkaloid extraction (not really my cup of tea but definitely of use to others). I think this could also be simplified with some of the newer filters and tools. Are there many other species of sclerotial fungi that could be mistaken for C. purpurea on rye grain?



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Re: Claviceps variations [Re: nubus]
    #1801161 - 08/11/03 11:43 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

ET is the way to go :wink:.


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Re: Claviceps variations [Re: nubus]
    #1821721 - 08/17/03 03:03 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I have no idea about other fungi that could be mistaken for C. Purpuraea.  I'll have to get back to you about the artificial cultivation techniques and read the relevant chapter in my books (the title of one book is simply "Ergot: Genus Claviceps" BTW, :wink:).  Sorry if I turn out being incorrect.


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