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Re: Mushroom Hunting Term Of The Day [Re: Joust]
    #17945838 - 03/12/13 09:32 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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The US does so many things backwards to the rest of the world, we really should use metrics as well. I hate fractions.




Imperial is bad enough but what's worse is a mix between the two - That'll make you fucking love fractions! Fractions aren't as easy as having everything base 10 but at least they're rational.

In England these days we use miles when talking about distances between towns and for speed limits etc, but then we tend to use meters more than yards or feet for shorter applications... except of course when measuring a persons height - that's nearly always in feet and inches. For a persons weight we'll opt for an obscure imperial measurement called stone, but we don't use it for anything else any more. We mostly buy things in grams and kilos now. But I still cook with ounces. And of course everyone knows that an eighth is 3.5g.

Milk still comes in integer pints but legally they have to be labelled in ml these days, so it might seem a little odd to a European that we chose 1136ml as a standard bottle size for it. And of course that's just approximately. I'm sure there are loads of other oddities in our measuring habits, but that's what springs to mind. Metric hasn't really simplified much around here.


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Re: Mushroom Hunting Term Of The Day [Re: User_7] * 1
    #17946958 - 03/13/13 01:42 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

              Hygrophanous


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Re: Mushroom Hunting Term Of The Day [Re: User_7]
    #17947210 - 03/13/13 03:27 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Awesome thread :thumbup:

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Metric hasn't really simplified much around here.



It will, give it some time.


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Re: Mushroom Hunting Term Of The Day [Re: inski]
    #17947221 - 03/13/13 03:30 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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              Hygrophanous




Psilocybe "aureoalbescens"?
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Re: Mushroom Hunting Term Of The Day [Re: Joust]
    #17947250 - 03/13/13 03:41 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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              Hygrophanous




Psilocybe "aureoalbescens"?
:nyan:


Yes.


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Re: Mushroom Hunting Term Of The Day [Re: inski]
    #17947263 - 03/13/13 03:45 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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inski said:
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inski said:
              Hygrophanous




Psilocybe "aureoalbescens"?
:nyan:


Yes.



Beautiful :super:
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Re: Mushroom Hunting Term Of The Day [Re: Joust]
    #17947284 - 03/13/13 03:51 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

FIBRILLOSE

The stipe of Panaeolus cinctulus, for example, is (white-) fibrillose:


             
             


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Re: Mushroom Hunting Term Of The Day [Re: Sporulator]
    #17947293 - 03/13/13 03:55 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Damn i was just about to post one.
Covered with hair-like appendages, made up of fine fibres or strings.
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Re: Mushroom Hunting Term Of The Day [Re: Sporulator]
    #17947435 - 03/13/13 05:17 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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FIBRILLOSE

The stipe of Panaeolus cinctulus, for example, is (white-) fibrillose:


             
             




awesome i love actually being able to understand and learn some more terminology, before it was like a different language or gibberish:billymaythumbup:


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Re: Mushroom Hunting Term Of The Day [Re: gullhole]
    #17947599 - 03/13/13 07:12 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I would describe those Panaeolus cinctulus stipes as pruinose rather than fibrillose.

Pruinose: covered with fine powdery granules/ frosted appearance/ velvety

I think this photo demonstrates fibrillose well:


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Re: Mushroom Hunting Term Of The Day [Re: TimmiT]
    #17947612 - 03/13/13 07:22 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Is that Lacrymaria? That pic is gorgeous!


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Re: Mushroom Hunting Term Of The Day [Re: Byrain]
    #17947653 - 03/13/13 07:43 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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hygrophanous is the change, so this would also include the cap inverting when mature on some mushrooms? (subaeruginosa for instance)




I'm not entirely sure what you mean, do you have any pictures?  Hygrophanous refers specifically to the colors changing.








See how the older ones cap is now inverted around the edges.


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Re: Mushroom Hunting Term Of The Day [Re: whattherast]
    #17947733 - 03/13/13 08:18 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

the date and definition posted clearly (like the format) help a lot...


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Re: Mushroom Hunting Term Of The Day [Re: whattherast]
    #17947734 - 03/13/13 08:19 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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I would describe those Panaeolus cinctulus stipes as pruinose rather than fibrillose.

Pruinose: covered with fine powdery granules/ frosted appearance/ velvety

I think this photo demonstrates fibrillose well:








I would call that cottony.

Seems to be a matter of opinion:

http://mushroomobserver.org/name/show_name_description/1266

I have grown Panaeolus cinctulus many times and the stems of my specimens were always longitudinally white-fibrillose.
But that characteristic is easily destroyed when you touch the stem and the appearance is maybe strain-dependent.

Take a look at Psilocybe cyanofibrillosa, those stems look very similar to Panaeolus cinctulus:

http://mushroomobserver.org/15304?q=182gz


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Re: Mushroom Hunting Term Of The Day [Re: Sporulator]
    #17947750 - 03/13/13 08:30 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I think there are two characteristics to consider in both of the examples provided. Panaeolus cinctulus has a stipe that is made up of fibrillose hyphae and is coated in pruinescence whereas Lacrymaria velutina is coated in tufted fibrils. I'm not sure what the "subdermal" structure of L. velutinas stem looks like, but given how easily it snaps I suspect it is cellular as opposed to fibrillose.


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Re: Mushroom Hunting Term Of The Day [Re: Gravija]
    #17947833 - 03/13/13 09:14 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Here is an example of the fibrillose stem of P. cinctulus-



As you can see the flesh of the stem is composed of tissues that look like strings or strands.


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Re: Mushroom Hunting Term Of The Day [Re: whattherast]
    #17947876 - 03/13/13 09:37 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I was going to ask how that differed from pruinose, thanks!

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See how the older ones cap is now inverted around the edges.



Yeah, that's a good point but hygrophanous doesn't describe the change in a cap's morphology with water content. I can see how the way Stopwhispering worded it could have confused matters.

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Hygrophanous is a term used to describe the change in appearance, mostly colour, of a mushroom based on the amount of water it is carrying at any given time.



I think by "the change in appearance, mostly colour" he meant on the surface of a mushroom, for example if not colour then reflectivity etc. My understanding of 'Hygrophanous' is that it only relates to visible changes to the surface appearance.

Not that I want to jump in with more terms to discuss too early, but for your own reference that 'inverted' shape the mushroom takes on can be described as depressed with an undulating cap margin. These terms are not tied to when water is the cause however.


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Re: Mushroom Hunting Term Of The Day [Re: Gravija]
    #17947964 - 03/13/13 10:27 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Here is an example of the fibrillose stem of P. cinctulus-



As you can see the flesh of the stem is composed of tissues that look like strings or strands.




I think the best example is Psilocybe cyanofibrillosa, and these stems look very similar to those from the Panaeolus cinctulus pics.

http://mushroomobserver.org/15304?q=182gz



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Re: Mushroom Hunting Term Of The Day [Re: Gravija]
    #17948080 - 03/13/13 11:13 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Panaeolus cinctulus has a stipe that is made up of fibrillose hyphae




Panaeolus cinctulus has a pruinose stem from caulocystidia.

This cap is fibrillose.



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Re: Mushroom Hunting Term Of The Day [Re: Sporulator]
    #17948144 - 03/13/13 11:38 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Is that Lacrymaria? That pic is gorgeous!


It's Psathyrella pervelata. I just pulled it from google images.

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I think there are two characteristics to consider in both of the examples provided. Panaeolus cinctulus has a stipe that is made up of fibrillose hyphae and is coated in pruinescence whereas Lacrymaria velutina is coated in tufted fibrils. I'm not sure what the "subdermal" structure of L. velutinas stem looks like, but given how easily it snaps I suspect it is cellular as opposed to fibrillose.


The terms are used to describe the appearance of the surface rather than the cellular structure.

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I think the best example is Psilocybe cyanofibrillosa, and these stems look very similar to those from the Panaeolus cinctulus pics.




I agree that the lower stipes are a good example of fibrillose, but I don't think they look like Pan cintulus stipes. These could be called appressed-fibrillose to be more specific.


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