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Fistulina hepatica group grow
#17942657 - 03/12/13 06:29 AM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hi!
This new thread is for sharing information on Fistulina hepatica grows from our Aloha group buy. Here's the log for my current grow. It's slow, but steady. The mycelium looks quite sturdy.
12/8/12 - Inoculated a plate of MEA with culture. 1/26/13 (7 weeks) - Culture fully grown out on plate. Put wedge in a rye grain jar. 3/3/13 (10 weeks) - Grain jar grown out to about 20%. Jar shaken.
So the grain jar had been growing for 10 weeks (2 1/2 months) until colonized enough to be shaken a little more than a week ago. I'm seeing even grain inoculation.
Next step: When grain jar is at 100% colonization, G2G transfer to 8 rye grain jars. I want to have plenty to work with!
I'm trying 100% millet as a grain. There's no obvious difference in the growth rate so far.
Regards, Terry
Edited by Terry M (03/12/13 07:08 AM)
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: Terry M]
#17943199 - 03/12/13 10:16 AM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Millet is great grain. Super challenging to work with tho!
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Oeric McKenna said: Millet is great grain. Super challenging to work with tho!
Really? I only use white millet. 16$ for a 50lb bag.
Works great for me!
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: Brain Fart]
#17945783 - 03/12/13 07:24 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sounds good terry. You are right that is a slow species.It's nothing like the speed of oyster, lol. Does this mushroom have any specific medical properties to it. I would love to see some fruit from this.
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: mycofever]
#17945909 - 03/12/13 07:46 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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I tried millet because with more contact points from the smaller grains, I thought that inoculation might go faster. But this doesn't appear to be the case, so I'm sticking with rye.
I think it's believed to have some medicinal properties, but I don't know any details. I'm trying to grow it as an edible. Plus the fact that when it's cut, it bleeds red!
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: Terry M]
#17946013 - 03/12/13 08:04 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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It is definitely slow. Plated it 10 days ago and it looks like the cultures I transferred Sunday. Looking forward to playing with it though.
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: Jeff]
#17947493 - 03/13/13 03:53 AM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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I want to continually advocate the soft white winter wheat for the joy of others haha. & yeah mycofever I like millet too but getting the moisture content perfect without stickage can be a serious ballbreaker. At least to me. The thing about soft white winter wheat is the supple nature of the outer grain portion. It's just great for many reasons.
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Oeric McKenna said: Millet is great grain. Super challenging to work with tho!
Really? I only use white millet. 16$ for a 50lb bag.
Works great for me!
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Oeric McKenna said: I want to continually advocate the soft white winter wheat for the joy of others haha. & yeah mycofever I like millet too but getting the moisture content perfect without stickage can be a serious ballbreaker. At least to me. The thing about soft white winter wheat is the supple nature of the outer grain portion. It's just great for many reasons.
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Terry M said: I tried millet because with more contact points from the smaller grains, I thought that inoculation might go faster. But this doesn't appear to be the case, so I'm sticking with rye.
I think it's believed to have some medicinal properties, but I don't know any details. I'm trying to grow it as an edible. Plus the fact that when it's cut, it bleeds red! 
Been making millet this way without error since I began cultivating with WBS (and did not want to pay 25$ for a 20lb bag at walmart.)
My local feed mill owned by a family friend has much better prices for red and white millet. I choose the white since it's easier to spot contamination. I use tyvek AND polyfill for my grain jar lids but I have never ever had a problem with moisture or contamination using Fooman's no soak wbs prep. IMO while rye is superior in terms of Nitrogen content as spawn, I do not like the sticky oatmeal like consistency it gets after being colonized. (Could have just been the reishi spawn that made it so leathery/soft/sticky/oatmeallike)
It is easiest for me to boil water, add grain, walk away after taking it off the heat, and after 30mins I drain the water, rinse my spawn and give it 30-60 mins to dry/drain in the colander. Then it goes into jars. Perfect everytime
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: Brain Fart]
#17948275 - 03/13/13 10:28 AM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yep. The shitty part about wbs is all the different sized grains. For me personally, i'd never boil millet like the tek in your link Its all good tho. Whatever works best for someone is what they should stick to.
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Oeric McKenna said: Yep. The shitty part about wbs is all the different sized grains. For me personally, i'd never boil millet like the tek in your link Its all good tho. Whatever works best for someone is what they should stick to.
Lol ya all that stuff about endospores has never really happened...No soak just heat the water to boiling, cut off the heat and pour in the grain. rinse drain after 30 min, let drain/dry another 30 min then load into jars. Works every time regardless of MS, Agar wedges, LC, watever.
I have even had jars inoculated with non viable spores that sat for 2-3 weeks and I reinoculated with another strain and or genus even and the mycelium spreads happily over the grain without issues of contamination. I use tyvek filters and polyfil but as mentioned I have never lost a jar to contamination by these "endospores"
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: Jeff]
#18135238 - 04/19/13 12:35 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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An update on my F. hepatica:
Today I did G2G transfers of my fully colonized jar in order to have several jars to play with. This had grown for 15 weeks, including shaking at around 20% colonization. The mycelium mass was quite solid. However, the colonization didn't turn the entire jar white, but covered the rye grains with solid white masses. It took a reasonable amount of bicycle tire pounding to separate them all. Damn, should have taken a picture! Some grains were pressed up against the jar wall, but no sign at all of bacteria. The smell was very neutral, and not mushroomy.
I transferred this jar to 5 rye grain jars and 1 sawdust jar.
Anybody else making progress?
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: Terry M]
#18135246 - 04/19/13 12:37 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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The thing is painfully slow. I should be ready to put it to grain next weekend.
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: Jeff]
#18135259 - 04/19/13 12:41 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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I hope I live to see you get some mushrooms off of this species. I want to see a pic of this red bleeding that you wrote about.
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: mycofever]
#18205039 - 05/02/13 08:56 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well, my rye G2's are going great guns! Should be only about 1 month for G2G full colonization. It seems that this species is really slow on agar, and in taking off from agar to grain. But it likes growing on rye once it is established. Perhaps there's some oddball agar formulation that it prefers.
With my 6 jars, I can experiment with subs and fruiting conditions one bag at a time, and hold the rest of the jars in the fridge to hopefully build upon what I learn.
Oh, and I'll hold out one grain jar to make a generation of G3's from. Definitely the way to go for cultivating this slow species. Who knows: using G2G, the total growing time may be no worse than shiitakes. Assuming we figure out how to fruit it.
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Edited by Terry M (05/02/13 09:07 PM)
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: Terry M]
#18207088 - 05/03/13 08:43 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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This was one of several gourmet species growing in my yard last fall that I collected, but fail to identify until they rotted. At least now I know where it grows! Good luck and I'm impressed with your dryads saddle grow, terry m.
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: drake89]
#18209893 - 05/03/13 07:04 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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It`s good that you planned it out that way. Now you can find out what works. Spesking of shiitake I have two skiitake blocks going. They are around 40 days in and still only a few small brown spots. I also have 4 grain masters going that i plan to double .they are so slow.my oystets on the other hand are like a wild fire.
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: mycofever]
#18252264 - 05/12/13 09:24 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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G2 grain jars have been ready for a few days now:
 The jar on the far left is sawdust, the rest are rye grain. Note the incomplete looking, patchy distribution of pure white grains.
 This is the way F. hepatica apparently looks when fully colonized. It is a solid mass, and breaking apart the grains require the usual effort of bicycle tire whacking. It took only 3 weeks for the G2G grain to full colonization, vs. 9 weeks to for agar to grain. G2G is the way to go with this species.
I'm going to refrigerate these until needed. First, I'll use two jars to inoculate two bag of enriched sawdust. From the sawdust jar test, I know that it may be hard to judge full colonization. However the solidness of the bag, plus the complete mycelium coverage of the top surface should give me a good idea. I'll expose these to very different fruiting conditions, and see what happens!
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: Terry M]
#18252675 - 05/12/13 11:20 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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That has some really nice looking mycelium. It is bright white, I like it.
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: mycofever]
#18513250 - 07/04/13 07:32 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Let me get this straight... There are people on THIS VERY THREAD that poses the genetics for Fistulina hepatica... The Beefsteak mushroom? The very one you that taste like beefsteak!?!? HAS MY SEARCH FOR ACQUIRING SOME FISTULINA HEPATICA PROGRESSED!?!?
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: Marshall]
#18513340 - 07/04/13 08:00 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Marshall said: Let me get this straight... There are people on THIS VERY THREAD that poses the genetics for Fistulina hepatica... The Beefsteak mushroom? The very one you that taste like beefsteak!?!? HAS MY SEARCH FOR ACQUIRING SOME FISTULINA HEPATICA PROGRESSED!?!?
I don't think it actually tastes like beefsteak but I could be wrong. Srry to burst your bubble. According to my wild shroom book it is tart, and I bet the beefsteak part comes from oozing red juices.
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: drake89]
#18513383 - 07/04/13 08:14 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Edit: Double post.
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: Versicolor]
#18513387 - 07/04/13 08:15 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Versicolor said: Haha, yeah.. I believe it's called the beefsteak mushroom from it's resemblance, rather than it's taste. Also, it is an extreeeeemly slow growing mushroom, which would also mean you would have to have to be experienced with sterile technique to avoid contamination.
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: Versicolor]
#21578240 - 04/21/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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So how did you guys go getting this species to fruit? I just harvested my first one, and tried some raw...it was very nice, a bit sour, with an almost agar like texture. Nothing unpleasant or acrid about it, mine grew on Eucalyptus. About to clone it now.
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: worowa]
#21581308 - 04/22/15 06:05 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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So I ate some raw and some cooked. Bloody delicious, grown on Eucalyptus, no bad taste at all, just a bit sour when raw. Cloning it was hard, so slippery, but I made a dozen plates. I am hoping to spalt some wood with this culture. Here's a link to some photos, I'll also try and upload some here, but most files are probably too big. https://www.facebook.com/Forest.Fungi/posts/1026282260733287


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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: worowa]
#24012495 - 01/15/17 03:55 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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Here I am, resurrecting a dinosaur Anyway, has anybody been successful so far? A guy brought me one in August that I cloned and grew out and now, 5 months later, I finally have a couple of grain masters ready. I also have a couple of spare dishes if someone wants to play with it, for shipping. Next I am going to make some plugs for the guy that found it and some supplemented HWFP bags and, who knows maybe get some fruits in 6 more months....

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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: nomendubium]
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: nomendubium]
#24012750 - 01/15/17 05:53 PM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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nomendubium said: Here I am, resurrecting a dinosaur Anyway, has anybody been successful so far? A guy brought me one in August that I cloned and grew out and now, 5 months later, I finally have a couple of grain masters ready. I also have a couple of spare dishes if someone wants to play with it, for shipping. Next I am going to make some plugs for the guy that found it and some supplemented HWFP bags and, who knows maybe get some fruits in 6 more months....
 
the one i've seen was red/pink on the bottom.
you might have a different mushroom there, was it really tough? it might just be older than the ones i've seen.
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: drake89]
#24013943 - 01/16/17 07:53 AM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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I'm sure
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: nomendubium]
#24016048 - 01/16/17 10:00 PM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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I second the ID, I don't have any in person experience with this mushroom but that looks consistent with what I see others find, it just looks a little old and dry. Also posting because I want to see how it works out.
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: Mrcloudy]
#24017388 - 01/17/17 01:31 PM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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got ya covered Mr. Cloudy
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: nomendubium]
#24017452 - 01/17/17 01:50 PM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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supposed to be epically slow for a saprophyte. gonna be in for the long haul.
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: drake89]
#24017576 - 01/17/17 02:31 PM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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I'm telling ya! These masters are dated 10/12 (3 months and a few days)
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#24118115 - 02/25/17 07:19 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Woop! First beefsteak primordia on grain!
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: Mrcloudy]
#24670583 - 09/29/17 03:42 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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old and dry.


and a little eaten.
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: nomendubium]
#25227054 - 05/25/18 05:11 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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How did you get on ? Certainly one i need to try, as they are lovely wild picked. I heard they will fruit similar to oysters, from the side, but that you add the slits after primordia have started forming ?
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: nomendubium]
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nomendubium said: Woop! First beefsteak primordia on grain!
Damn! That looks promising, would love to see updates!
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: Adas]
#26260033 - 10/18/19 03:20 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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What happened to the fruit bodies! I can't find any photos of cultivated Fistulina hepatica
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: Dogkayak]
#27172852 - 01/27/21 12:22 PM (3 years, 1 day ago) |
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Hello, I came here to learn about the cultivation of this mushroom. 15 months after the last post in this thread and the internet has still no pictures of F. hepatica growing out of a mycobag or anything indicating fungiculture - what is the mystery behind all this. There are patents regarding the process but no pictures, very intriguing
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: soko-moko] 1
#28391264 - 07/10/23 11:40 AM (6 months, 16 days ago) |
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Sorry to revive such an old thread here but I’m going to be working with this culture and attempt to get fruit bodies, I will probably make my own thread for it later if successful but I figured I’d piggyback off of this one until then
Also here’s a patent that was mentioned earlier I figured I’d link it for anyone interested and I will be following it with slight variations
Also I wonder if the slow growth is attributed to the ph of the medium so I will be playing with that variable as well
https://patents.google.com/patent/US5590489A/en
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: 7Suns] 1
#28455019 - 09/01/23 03:04 PM (4 months, 25 days ago) |
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Well there is paper that cultivated successfully
Study on the Biological Characters of Fistulina hepatica
and Garden state mushrooms cultivated this mushroom about 2years ago
here is the insta link
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: Speeker]
#28455701 - 09/02/23 07:19 AM (4 months, 24 days ago) |
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wow snapshot at 20 years ago? thats cool I wonder why they took down the page
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: 7Suns]
#28458874 - 09/04/23 08:48 PM (4 months, 21 days ago) |
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7Suns said: Sorry to revive such an old thread here but I’m going to be working with this culture and attempt to get fruit bodies, I will probably make my own thread for it later if successful but I figured I’d piggyback off of this one until then
Also here’s a patent that was mentioned earlier I figured I’d link it for anyone interested and I will be following it with slight variations
Also I wonder if the slow growth is attributed to the ph of the medium so I will be playing with that variable as well
https://patents.google.com/patent/US5590489A/en
Hey mate thought I'd chime in on this. I recently started listening to the mushroom hour pod cast on Spotify and there was an episode about a guy who cracked the code on these mushrooms he even went through multiple cultigens of this mushroom and found the one he felt was best for commercial application.
Ep.119: Garden State Mushrooms - Pioneering cultivation of Beefsteak mushrooms (feat. Jacob Alvarez)
Would love to grow this myself so if you have any luck let me know. Cheers
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Thanks for the info I’ll definitely check this out, in recent updates I have acquired some local wild hepatica prints and plan to do a serial dilution and select multiple isolates considering my cultures from a vendor were a bust
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: 7Suns]
#28543420 - 11/14/23 10:45 PM (2 months, 12 days ago) |
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did you succeed?
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lastine
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: 7Suns]
#28613965 - 01/08/24 10:38 AM (20 days, 6 hours ago) |
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