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Terry M
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Fistulina hepatica group grow
#17942657 - 03/12/13 06:29 AM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hi!
This new thread is for sharing information on Fistulina hepatica grows from our Aloha group buy. Here's the log for my current grow. It's slow, but steady. The mycelium looks quite sturdy.
12/8/12 - Inoculated a plate of MEA with culture. 1/26/13 (7 weeks) - Culture fully grown out on plate. Put wedge in a rye grain jar. 3/3/13 (10 weeks) - Grain jar grown out to about 20%. Jar shaken.
So the grain jar had been growing for 10 weeks (2 1/2 months) until colonized enough to be shaken a little more than a week ago. I'm seeing even grain inoculation.
Next step: When grain jar is at 100% colonization, G2G transfer to 8 rye grain jars. I want to have plenty to work with!
I'm trying 100% millet as a grain. There's no obvious difference in the growth rate so far.
Regards, Terry
Edited by Terry M (03/12/13 07:08 AM)
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Oeric McKenna
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: Terry M]
#17943199 - 03/12/13 10:16 AM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Millet is great grain. Super challenging to work with tho!
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Quote:
Oeric McKenna said: Millet is great grain. Super challenging to work with tho!
Really? I only use white millet. 16$ for a 50lb bag.
Works great for me!
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: Brain Fart]
#17945783 - 03/12/13 07:24 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sounds good terry. You are right that is a slow species.It's nothing like the speed of oyster, lol. Does this mushroom have any specific medical properties to it. I would love to see some fruit from this.
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: mycofever]
#17945909 - 03/12/13 07:46 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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I tried millet because with more contact points from the smaller grains, I thought that inoculation might go faster. But this doesn't appear to be the case, so I'm sticking with rye.
I think it's believed to have some medicinal properties, but I don't know any details. I'm trying to grow it as an edible. Plus the fact that when it's cut, it bleeds red!
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: Terry M]
#17946013 - 03/12/13 08:04 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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It is definitely slow. Plated it 10 days ago and it looks like the cultures I transferred Sunday. Looking forward to playing with it though.
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: Jeff]
#17947493 - 03/13/13 03:53 AM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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I want to continually advocate the soft white winter wheat for the joy of others haha. & yeah mycofever I like millet too but getting the moisture content perfect without stickage can be a serious ballbreaker. At least to me. The thing about soft white winter wheat is the supple nature of the outer grain portion. It's just great for many reasons.
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Brain Fart said:
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Oeric McKenna said: Millet is great grain. Super challenging to work with tho!
Really? I only use white millet. 16$ for a 50lb bag.
Works great for me!
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Oeric McKenna said: I want to continually advocate the soft white winter wheat for the joy of others haha. & yeah mycofever I like millet too but getting the moisture content perfect without stickage can be a serious ballbreaker. At least to me. The thing about soft white winter wheat is the supple nature of the outer grain portion. It's just great for many reasons.
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Terry M said: I tried millet because with more contact points from the smaller grains, I thought that inoculation might go faster. But this doesn't appear to be the case, so I'm sticking with rye.
I think it's believed to have some medicinal properties, but I don't know any details. I'm trying to grow it as an edible. Plus the fact that when it's cut, it bleeds red! 
Been making millet this way without error since I began cultivating with WBS (and did not want to pay 25$ for a 20lb bag at walmart.)
My local feed mill owned by a family friend has much better prices for red and white millet. I choose the white since it's easier to spot contamination. I use tyvek AND polyfill for my grain jar lids but I have never ever had a problem with moisture or contamination using Fooman's no soak wbs prep. IMO while rye is superior in terms of Nitrogen content as spawn, I do not like the sticky oatmeal like consistency it gets after being colonized. (Could have just been the reishi spawn that made it so leathery/soft/sticky/oatmeallike)
It is easiest for me to boil water, add grain, walk away after taking it off the heat, and after 30mins I drain the water, rinse my spawn and give it 30-60 mins to dry/drain in the colander. Then it goes into jars. Perfect everytime
Edited by Brain Fart (03/13/13 09:04 AM)
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: Brain Fart]
#17948275 - 03/13/13 10:28 AM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yep. The shitty part about wbs is all the different sized grains. For me personally, i'd never boil millet like the tek in your link Its all good tho. Whatever works best for someone is what they should stick to.
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Oeric McKenna said: Yep. The shitty part about wbs is all the different sized grains. For me personally, i'd never boil millet like the tek in your link Its all good tho. Whatever works best for someone is what they should stick to.
Lol ya all that stuff about endospores has never really happened...No soak just heat the water to boiling, cut off the heat and pour in the grain. rinse drain after 30 min, let drain/dry another 30 min then load into jars. Works every time regardless of MS, Agar wedges, LC, watever.
I have even had jars inoculated with non viable spores that sat for 2-3 weeks and I reinoculated with another strain and or genus even and the mycelium spreads happily over the grain without issues of contamination. I use tyvek filters and polyfil but as mentioned I have never lost a jar to contamination by these "endospores"
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: Jeff]
#18135238 - 04/19/13 12:35 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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An update on my F. hepatica:
Today I did G2G transfers of my fully colonized jar in order to have several jars to play with. This had grown for 15 weeks, including shaking at around 20% colonization. The mycelium mass was quite solid. However, the colonization didn't turn the entire jar white, but covered the rye grains with solid white masses. It took a reasonable amount of bicycle tire pounding to separate them all. Damn, should have taken a picture! Some grains were pressed up against the jar wall, but no sign at all of bacteria. The smell was very neutral, and not mushroomy.
I transferred this jar to 5 rye grain jars and 1 sawdust jar.
Anybody else making progress?
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: Terry M]
#18135246 - 04/19/13 12:37 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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The thing is painfully slow. I should be ready to put it to grain next weekend.
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: Jeff]
#18135259 - 04/19/13 12:41 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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I hope I live to see you get some mushrooms off of this species. I want to see a pic of this red bleeding that you wrote about.
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: mycofever]
#18205039 - 05/02/13 08:56 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well, my rye G2's are going great guns! Should be only about 1 month for G2G full colonization. It seems that this species is really slow on agar, and in taking off from agar to grain. But it likes growing on rye once it is established. Perhaps there's some oddball agar formulation that it prefers.
With my 6 jars, I can experiment with subs and fruiting conditions one bag at a time, and hold the rest of the jars in the fridge to hopefully build upon what I learn.
Oh, and I'll hold out one grain jar to make a generation of G3's from. Definitely the way to go for cultivating this slow species. Who knows: using G2G, the total growing time may be no worse than shiitakes. Assuming we figure out how to fruit it.
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Edited by Terry M (05/02/13 09:07 PM)
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: Terry M]
#18207088 - 05/03/13 08:43 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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This was one of several gourmet species growing in my yard last fall that I collected, but fail to identify until they rotted. At least now I know where it grows! Good luck and I'm impressed with your dryads saddle grow, terry m.
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: drake89]
#18209893 - 05/03/13 07:04 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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It`s good that you planned it out that way. Now you can find out what works. Spesking of shiitake I have two skiitake blocks going. They are around 40 days in and still only a few small brown spots. I also have 4 grain masters going that i plan to double .they are so slow.my oystets on the other hand are like a wild fire.
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: mycofever]
#18252264 - 05/12/13 09:24 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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G2 grain jars have been ready for a few days now:
 The jar on the far left is sawdust, the rest are rye grain. Note the incomplete looking, patchy distribution of pure white grains.
 This is the way F. hepatica apparently looks when fully colonized. It is a solid mass, and breaking apart the grains require the usual effort of bicycle tire whacking. It took only 3 weeks for the G2G grain to full colonization, vs. 9 weeks to for agar to grain. G2G is the way to go with this species.
I'm going to refrigerate these until needed. First, I'll use two jars to inoculate two bag of enriched sawdust. From the sawdust jar test, I know that it may be hard to judge full colonization. However the solidness of the bag, plus the complete mycelium coverage of the top surface should give me a good idea. I'll expose these to very different fruiting conditions, and see what happens!
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: Terry M]
#18252675 - 05/12/13 11:20 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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That has some really nice looking mycelium. It is bright white, I like it.
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: mycofever]
#18513250 - 07/04/13 07:32 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Let me get this straight... There are people on THIS VERY THREAD that poses the genetics for Fistulina hepatica... The Beefsteak mushroom? The very one you that taste like beefsteak!?!? HAS MY SEARCH FOR ACQUIRING SOME FISTULINA HEPATICA PROGRESSED!?!?
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Re: Fistulina hepatica group grow [Re: Marshall]
#18513340 - 07/04/13 08:00 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Marshall said: Let me get this straight... There are people on THIS VERY THREAD that poses the genetics for Fistulina hepatica... The Beefsteak mushroom? The very one you that taste like beefsteak!?!? HAS MY SEARCH FOR ACQUIRING SOME FISTULINA HEPATICA PROGRESSED!?!?
I don't think it actually tastes like beefsteak but I could be wrong. Srry to burst your bubble. According to my wild shroom book it is tart, and I bet the beefsteak part comes from oozing red juices.
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