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New Data (surveillance) center in Utah and encryption.
#17940516 - 03/11/13 07:37 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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So there is a big "data" center being built in bluffdale utah and I believe this is considered the biggest and fastest computer on the face of the earth. There are many data centers located through the US and they are all going to be tied into this one. They believe it will be fast enough to break/solve all encryptions that are currently being used. This computer is FAST. From what I get out of it, they have been saving all the encryptions sent electronically for over a decade and now they almost have a computer built that is fast enough to break them, uncovering decades worth of multination secret.
If this computer really can break all these methods of encrypting messages then that is like end game right ? the lid finally pops off ?
This computer is going to slice and dice every email ever sent, texts and words said over the phone.
If any of this sounds interesting check out this article from Wired. These six pages worth was very interesting to me and anything that anyone has to say, I would like to hear.
How would this effect SR and it's anonymity ?
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/
Edited by CounterCulturest (03/11/13 07:45 PM)
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LateForTheFuture
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Re: New Data (surveillance) center in Utah and encryption. [Re: CounterCulturest]
#17940598 - 03/11/13 07:48 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Very, very intense stuff. Thanks for posting.
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than
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Re: New Data (surveillance) center in Utah and encryption. [Re: CounterCulturest]
#17942381 - 03/12/13 03:42 AM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Even if they can break encrypted communications faster, it'll still be an intensive process. It could still take years to break a single encrypted email for example (unless we're talking quantum computing I guess), and I'd think they won't be prioritizing anything that is small-time. Certain kinds of crypto, like One Time Pads remain immune from cracking.
TOR and SR still make things safer, as they don't control the darknet. They'd have to control most of the nodes to have a shot at breaking both the anonymity and crypto.
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Re: New Data (surveillance) center in Utah and encryption. [Re: than]
#17942387 - 03/12/13 03:45 AM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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than
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Re: New Data (surveillance) center in Utah and encryption. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#17942596 - 03/12/13 06:07 AM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Those stories don't lend weight to TOR being a honeypot. Rather the stories are indicative of diplomats et al. using it in a way it wasn't designed for and trusting exit nodes (they should've been encrypting their emails for example).
No doubt there a bunch of nodes that are controlled, but there are also a bunch that aren't so it's not a good way of collecting data.
It's open source, you can review the code and compile it yourself, works as advertised.
When the likes of the NSA want to monitor traffic and open data (including the stuff send plain text from an exit node) they seem to think big and intercept the major fibre links, and monitor satellite communications. Look into ECHELON - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON
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Re: New Data (surveillance) center in Utah and encryption. [Re: CounterCulturest]
#17945538 - 03/12/13 06:36 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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CounterCulturest said: So there is a big "data" center being built in bluffdale utah and I believe this is considered the biggest and fastest computer on the face of the earth. There are many data centers located through the US and they are all going to be tied into this one. They believe it will be fast enough to break/solve all encryptions that are currently being used. This computer is FAST. From what I get out of it, they have been saving all the encryptions sent electronically for over a decade and now they almost have a computer built that is fast enough to break them, uncovering decades worth of multination secret.
If this computer really can break all these methods of encrypting messages then that is like end game right ? the lid finally pops off ?
This computer is going to slice and dice every email ever sent, texts and words said over the phone.
If any of this sounds interesting check out this article from Wired. These six pages worth was very interesting to me and anything that anyone has to say, I would like to hear.
How would this effect SR and it's anonymity ?
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/
This should belong in the conspiracy forum
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Re: New Data (surveillance) center in Utah and encryption. [Re: CounterCulturest]
#17953110 - 03/14/13 03:11 AM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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CounterCulturest said: If this computer really can break all these methods of encrypting messages then that is like end game right ? the lid finally pops off ?
Yes.
Except that due to practical limitations, nothing will actually change.
It will be kind of line phone taps are now, but even more rare. You have to be fucking up pretty bad to get a phone tap.
One reason for the practical limitations is that the usefulness of cracking encryption goes bad pretty quickly. Old secrets aren't very useful.
Also there is nothing to stop someone from using extremely long keys - people who are concerned about cracking are already doing this. It might take a quarter second longer to send an email, but it will take an attacker hundreds of years of extra time to find the right prime number.
Also you can encrypt with an obscure or custom modified algorithm so they couldn't start cracking it until they figured out what encryption algorithm it is, which would be extremely difficult.
You could use macro photos of mycelium growth in a petri dish to generate random numbers which you use as one time keys...
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LateForTheFuture
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Re: New Data (surveillance) center in Utah and encryption. [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#17954627 - 03/14/13 11:39 AM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Alan Rockefeller said:
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CounterCulturest said: If this computer really can break all these methods of encrypting messages then that is like end game right ? the lid finally pops off ?
Yes.
Except that due to practical limitations, nothing will actually change.
It will be kind of line phone taps are now, but even more rare. You have to be fucking up pretty bad to get a phone tap.
One reason for the practical limitations is that the usefulness of cracking encryption goes bad pretty quickly. Old secrets aren't very useful.
Also there is nothing to stop someone from using extremely long keys - people who are concerned about cracking are already doing this. It might take a quarter second longer to send an email, but it will take an attacker hundreds of years of extra time to find the right prime number.
Also you can encrypt with an obscure or custom modified algorithm so they couldn't start cracking it until they figured out what encryption algorithm it is, which would be extremely difficult.
You could use macro photos of mycelium growth in a petri dish to generate random numbers which you use as one time keys...
Good advice, and well said - I was having the conversation with my (somewhat) paranoid wife in regards to how you can use really large prime numbers in order to complicate things... Always appreciate your feedback, Alan.
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Re: New Data (surveillance) center in Utah and encryption. [Re: LateForTheFuture]
#17964263 - 03/16/13 12:26 PM (11 years, 2 months ago) |
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Having a long enough pgp key will take them not just hundreds of years but billions of years at today's speeds. A key of 100 characters or less is crackable now but it takes a lot of computing power and a long time. Your small time drug purchases are safe because they do not use a bomber squad to take down an ant.
Tor is safe because its not only encrypted but also none of the nodes know the message. They simply reencrypt it and send it to the next node. The exit node does not even know its the exit node, it simply passes data on to another node which just happens to be the recipient.
Download and install gpg with kleopatra. Its a front end for pgp which makes it very easy to use. I use it every week.
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