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Re: The Effect Of Porn On Society [Re: Zanthius]
#10290873 - 05/05/09 02:48 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Crime's been decreasing in the US, especially violent crime, since the 70's. Porn's been on the increase in the same time period.
Maybe there's a relationship there?
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Re: The Effect Of Porn On Society [Re: Zanthius]
#10290882 - 05/05/09 02:50 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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"I am quite certain that the build up of sexual energy is related to many of the same hormones that build up a desire for social contact."
Doesn't testosterone make you more antisocial?

"I don't know how it is for you females, but my sperm contains a lot of valuable nutrients that I lose when I ejaculate."
What, do you ejaculate like a quart of sperm each time? I don't think a couple of tablespoons of fluid could contain what may be considered 'a lot' of valuable nutrients, and even if it did, all you have to do is eat a few tablespoons of the nutrients you just lost, and, voila!
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Re: The Effect Of Porn On Society [Re: Poid]
#10290929 - 05/05/09 03:01 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Poid said: What, do you ejaculate like a quart of sperm each time? I don't think a couple of tablespoons of fluid could contain what may be considered 'a lot' of valuable nutrients, and even if it did, all you have to do is eat a few tablespoons of the nutrients you just lost, and, voila!

Well, some substances are valuable even in small amounts. If it is expensive to manufacture a drug, of course small amounts of that drug is going to be valuable. The human genome contains a lot of data. Imagine if you had to synthesize an entire human genome from scratch. It would take you ages.
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Re: The Effect Of Porn On Society [Re: Zanthius]
#10290971 - 05/05/09 03:10 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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WTF does the human genome have to do with the loss of nutrients associated with ejaculation?
From Semen - Wikipedia:
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amino acids, citrate, enzymes, flavins, fructose (the main energy source of sperm cells, which rely entirely on sugars from the seminal plasma for energy), phosphorylcholine, prostaglandins (involved in suppressing an immune response by the female against the foreign semen), proteins, vitamin C
acid phosphatase, citric acid, fibrinolysin, prostate specific antigen, proteolytic enzymes, zinc (serves to help to stabilize the DNA-containing chromatin in the sperm cells. A zinc deficiency may result in lowered fertility because of increased sperm fragility. Zinc deficiency can also adversely affect spermatogenesis.)
galactose, mucus (serve to increase the mobility of sperm cells in the vagina and cervix by creating a less viscous channel for the sperm cells to swim through, and preventing their diffusion out of the semen. Contributes to the cohesive jelly-like texture of semen.), pre-ejaculate, sialic acid
A half cup of soy-milk and a spoonful of jam would be more than enough to replace most of the nutrients lost as a result of an ejaculation.
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Re: The Effect Of Porn On Society [Re: Poid]
#10291026 - 05/05/09 03:20 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Poid said: WTF does the human genome have to do with the loss of nutrients associated with ejaculation?
Each of your sperm cells contain half of your genome, so of course they can be utilized either to make a clone of yourself, or they can be combined with a haploid cell from another organism.
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Re: The Effect Of Porn On Society [Re: Zanthius]
#10291043 - 05/05/09 03:23 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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OK, Zanthius, what does this have to do with the nutritional value of sperm?
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Re: The Effect Of Porn On Society [Re: Poid]
#10291596 - 05/05/09 04:47 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Poid said: Doesn't testosterone make you more antisocial?
It is responsible for aggression and sexual arousal in males. That's why soldiers get boners during combat.
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Re: The Effect Of Porn On Society [Re: mad_cow]
#10291811 - 05/05/09 05:19 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Dude testosterone has nothing to do with directly making boners, it's just a hormone associated with sexual behavior. Boners are a purely vascular phenomenon.
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Re: The Effect Of Porn On Society [Re: laserpig]
#10291845 - 05/05/09 05:24 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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LOL my penis is pretty big and awesome but i dont think i go abouts showing it off im not gona post pictures of it but girls love it ^.^ i totally have showed it off before lol not to a crowd. once i had sex infront of like 5 people i felt really wierd i was drunk.
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Re: The Effect Of Porn On Society [Re: laserpig]
#10292048 - 05/05/09 05:54 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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laserpig said: Dude testosterone has nothing to do with directly making boners, it's just a hormone associated with sexual behavior. Boners are a purely vascular phenomenon.
What do you think would trigger this vascular phenomenon.
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Adult testosterone effects
Adult testosterone effects are more clearly demonstrable in males than in females, but are likely important to both sexes. Some of these effects may decline as testosterone levels decline in the later decades of adult life.
* Libido and clitoral engorgement/penile erection frequency.
My friend has two doctorates specializing in mental health nursing and human sexuality and spent 30 years working the VA drug and alcohol dependency unit counseling Vietnam veterans. According to her the testosterone generated during combat sometimes gives the soldiers boners.
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Re: The Effect Of Porn On Society [Re: mad_cow]
#10292281 - 05/05/09 06:25 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Alright, fair enough.
How frequent were these combat boners? The idea of getting shot at --> erection is pretty counter-intuitive.
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Re: The Effect Of Porn On Society [Re: laserpig]
#10292532 - 05/05/09 07:02 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Pay attention to your body next time you get a boner and notice how the blood flow in your legs are connected to your dick. The fight and flight reflex makes your blood circulation in your legs run faster.
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Re: The Effect Of Porn On Society [Re: lines]
#10292983 - 05/05/09 08:01 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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lines said: Pornography reduces people to sex objects and thus distracts people from the souls of humans and makes it so that humans are seen as merely stimulus-response mechanisms to be exploited by industrial society for economical purposes. Pornography makes people more machine-like(people are not robots and people are not machines... yet people can become robot-like and machine-like).
Something else which causes people become more machine-like is superficial culture. When movies, music, and television are superficial it has the effect of diminishing human personality.
People in America try escape a machine-like state of being by dressing in a outlandish manner or by trying to act different than others. They try to assert individuality through their clothes or by behaving in a overly-spontaneous manner. This is done due to a lack of understanding, the truth is that peoples unique personality traits exist on a subtle level and asserting a unique personality has nothing to do with non-conformity.
A superficial culture is the byproduct of sexual excess. When people are very sexually active they lose their life energy(orgasm causes a loss of life energy) and thus they lack the energy needed to create things of cultural depth... by avoiding frequent sexual orgasms a person preserves life-energy and thus can create things of cultural depth.
Farting humor, feces humor, urine humor, and other sorts of humor related to bodily waste also serves to distract people from the human soul and it is complimentary to pornography. Social taboos related to joking about farts and the likes help to preserve human culture.
Superficial culture is the result of losing basic social taboos. If pornography were to be frowned upon, if making fart jokes was seen as distasteful, if cussing was seen as distasteful(cussing is generally centered on reproductive and excretory functions), if burping really loud was considered distasteful, and if other sorts of taboos were in place then superficial culture would no longer dominate society.
Superficial culture makes people machine-like and makes people behave merely as economic units who are lacking of any sort of contemplative life. The objectification of women by pornography destroys marriages and debases motherhood. By debasing motherhood and by making people machine-like the result is that people become a bland mass of identityless consumers.
Wow, great write up.
I wish I would've read this 5 years ago, as I have learned the hard way through trial and error. I share the exact same beliefs. These words are truth.
I look forward to reading more of your threads.
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Re: The Effect Of Porn On Society [Re: lines]
#10293140 - 05/05/09 08:18 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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lines said: Pornography reduces people to sex objects and thus distracts people from the souls of humans and makes it so that humans are seen as merely stimulus-response mechanisms to be exploited by industrial society for economical purposes. Pornography makes people more machine-like(people are not robots and people are not machines... yet people can become robot-like and machine-like).
Something else which causes people become more machine-like is superficial culture. When movies, music, and television are superficial it has the effect of diminishing human personality.
People in America try escape a machine-like state of being by dressing in a outlandish manner or by trying to act different than others. They try to assert individuality through their clothes or by behaving in a overly-spontaneous manner. This is done due to a lack of understanding, the truth is that peoples unique personality traits exist on a subtle level and asserting a unique personality has nothing to do with non-conformity.
A superficial culture is the byproduct of sexual excess. When people are very sexually active they lose their life energy(orgasm causes a loss of life energy) and thus they lack the energy needed to create things of cultural depth... by avoiding frequent sexual orgasms a person preserves life-energy and thus can create things of cultural depth.
Farting humor, feces humor, urine humor, and other sorts of humor related to bodily waste also serves to distract people from the human soul and it is complimentary to pornography. Social taboos related to joking about farts and the likes help to preserve human culture.
Superficial culture is the result of losing basic social taboos. If pornography were to be frowned upon, if making fart jokes was seen as distasteful, if cussing was seen as distasteful(cussing is generally centered on reproductive and excretory functions), if burping really loud was considered distasteful, and if other sorts of taboos were in place then superficial culture would no longer dominate society.
Superficial culture makes people machine-like and makes people behave merely as economic units who are lacking of any sort of contemplative life. The objectification of women by pornography destroys marriages and debases motherhood. By debasing motherhood and by making people machine-like the result is that people become a bland mass of identityless consumers.
There are a couple of topics around here that generate high investment. God and sex are two.
I'm not going to read the bee's nest you stirred up, but simply say I agree.
Nice OP.
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Re: The Effect Of Porn On Society [Re: Zanthius]
#17932453 - 03/10/13 05:29 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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i find it very difficult to answer your question. really. there're a lot of sites packed with porn. check that Porno.ws one which listed like 15k porn studios from all over the world. they are producing hundreds of thousands movies year after year. there're cam sites like grlcam.com with hundreds of thousands girls involved...
there's no porn and society any longer, but society of porn. i guess like 2-3% of people are actively involved in creating it and 95% are frequently watching it
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Re: The Effect Of Porn On Society [Re: pronto]
#17932632 - 03/10/13 08:05 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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bullcrap
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Re: The Effect Of Porn On Society [Re: MushroomTrip]
#17932646 - 03/10/13 08:14 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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why exactly?
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Re: The Effect Of Porn On Society [Re: lines]
#17932755 - 03/10/13 09:09 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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lines said: Poid you raise some good points, I will respond to a few of them. You stated that people can have sex in such a manner that enables the people engaged in sex to experience their soul. I agree with this. Frequent sex though does deplete life energy, all sex depletes life energy... when people are in their teens and early 20's they might not notice that sex depletes life energy. But I do agree that there is a such thing as "soulful sex".
You also state that people should be valued beyond their familial roles and that people should be valued without having a familial role... I agree with this. Family is important though. The family unit is important because without the existence of strong families the result would be that "the state" would control everyones life. The family unit and the state are in competition for power in society.
IMO sex is the closest you can get to being life affirming divinity.
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Re: The Effect Of Porn On Society [Re: lines]
#17932770 - 03/10/13 09:19 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Diaboleros said: Interesting topic, as much as I love porn, I also think about it this way. Probably will sound exagarated to most people, but sadly enough, it's not.
i agree with this.
very interesting OP. very well put. i wish i could make sense of my ideas and explain them like you do.
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Re: The Effect Of Porn On Society [Re: lines]
#17932777 - 03/10/13 09:24 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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lines said: Pornography reduces people to sex objects and thus distracts people from the souls of humans and makes it so that humans are seen as merely stimulus-response mechanisms to be exploited by industrial society for economical purposes. Pornography makes people more machine-like(people are not robots and people are not machines... yet people can become robot-like and machine-like).
Something else which causes people become more machine-like is superficial culture. When movies, music, and television are superficial it has the effect of diminishing human personality.
People in America try escape a machine-like state of being by dressing in a outlandish manner or by trying to act different than others. They try to assert individuality through their clothes or by behaving in a overly-spontaneous manner. This is done due to a lack of understanding, the truth is that peoples unique personality traits exist on a subtle level and asserting a unique personality has nothing to do with non-conformity.
A superficial culture is the byproduct of sexual excess. When people are very sexually active they lose their life energy(orgasm causes a loss of life energy) and thus they lack the energy needed to create things of cultural depth... by avoiding frequent sexual orgasms a person preserves life-energy and thus can create things of cultural depth.
Farting humor, feces humor, urine humor, and other sorts of humor related to bodily waste also serves to distract people from the human soul and it is complimentary to pornography. Social taboos related to joking about farts and the likes help to preserve human culture.
Superficial culture is the result of losing basic social taboos. If pornography were to be frowned upon, if making fart jokes was seen as distasteful, if cussing was seen as distasteful(cussing is generally centered on reproductive and excretory functions), if burping really loud was considered distasteful, and if other sorts of taboos were in place then superficial culture would no longer dominate society.
Superficial culture makes people machine-like and makes people behave merely as economic units who are lacking of any sort of contemplative life. The objectification of women by pornography destroys marriages and debases motherhood. By debasing motherhood and by making people machine-like the result is that people become a bland mass of identityless consumers.
Even if all that's true, it's the same argument with drugs as far as I'm concerned, it's up to the individual, a free society needs to be able to choose destruction if they want. Plenty of people prefer Monty Python to Larry the Cable Guy. And South Park uses that sort of humour all the time, but they are truly brilliant. So go fuck yourself butt-nugget :P jk, not flaming, just being facetious. Masturbation is natural for males, when we go to long without busting a nut we get blue balls....but I concede, porn I think might not be the best thing, for various reasons. But, I definitely wouldn't make any move to get rid of it, for freedom's sake. And I don't think it's too bad....I'd say fast food is more damaging than porn, unless someone has become so entrenched in porn addiction that they prefer it to actual human relations....there's an issue at that point.
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