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Spirituality- The path of inducing non-ordinary states within the context of a lineage
    #17929668 - 03/09/13 03:47 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Thinking about what spirituality really is, I propose one tentative definition:

Spirituality is a lifestyle characterized by repeatedly inducing non-ordinary states of consciousness and interpreting the meaning of those experiences through the lens of one's tradition or lineage.

Both components seem essential . The emphasis on altered states of consciousness distinguishes spirituality from religion, and the emphasis on interpretation through the lineage and tradition distinguishes spirituality from casual drug use and experimentation.

I believe that because spirituality is based around direct experience of altered states of consciousness, it is not dependent on faith or belief but is experientially immediate.

Because altered states are undoubtedly real, there is no conflict between spirituality and science.

The altered states of consciousness that are germane to spirituality are characterized by qualities such as bliss, ecstasy, peace, expansiveness, awe, wonder, bliss and reverence , among others.

Because the quality of spiritual states of consciousness surpasses those normally possible without spiritual techniques, it is possible to argue that a life without spirituality is a life not fully lived.

Of course, altered states that occur outside of a spiritual path may be equally powerful and profound, but it is argued that without the context and meaning derived from the lineage and tradition, much less of the content of that experience is incorporated into the personality and the experiences thus tend to be more transient and the resulting changes in the person's life may be shallower or shorter lived.

The archetypical spiritual techniques are yoga, meditation and entheogenic ethnobotanical shamanism.

The archetypical spiritual paths are some forms of Buddhism, Hindu yoga and tantra, and animistic or totemistic shamanism, among others.


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Re: Spirituality- The path of inducing non-ordinary states within the context of a lineage [Re: Moonshoe]
    #17929698 - 03/09/13 03:54 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)


Of course, altered states that occur outside of a spiritual path may be equally powerful and profound, but it is argued that without the context and meaning derived from the lineage and tradition, much less of the content of that experience is incorporated into the personality and the experiences thus tend to be more transient and the resulting changes in the person's life may be shallower or shorter lived.


Hey I never thought of that.:whoa: This may be what has happened in my case.


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Re: Spirituality- The path of inducing non-ordinary states within the context of a lineage [Re: Moonshoe]
    #17929783 - 03/09/13 04:16 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Very nice, Moonshoe.

There's a definite "inherited" quality to spirituality.  We see things as we're taught to see them -- but the tremendous grace lies in the rebellion against "learned" truth.  This is a grace that cannot be learned or passed down from generation to generation.  It either comes to you or it does not.

"Because the quality of spiritual states of consciousness surpasses those normally possible without spiritual techniques, it is possible to argue that a life without spirituality is a life not fully lived."

There I would disagree.

Tons of people live exemplary lives without ever thinking about any of this shit. 

They are fulfilled in what they do, and leave behind a lasting legacy.


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Re: Spirituality- The path of inducing non-ordinary states within the context of a lineage [Re: all this beauty]
    #17929826 - 03/09/13 04:27 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Spirituality- The path of inducing non-ordinary states within the context of a lineage [Re: all this beauty]
    #17929902 - 03/09/13 04:41 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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all this beauty said:
Very nice, Moonshoe.

There's a definite "inherited" quality to spirituality.  We see things as we're taught to see them -- but the tremendous grace lies in the rebellion against "learned" truth.  This is a grace that cannot be learned or passed down from generation to generation.  It either comes to you or it does not.

"Because the quality of spiritual states of consciousness surpasses those normally possible without spiritual techniques, it is possible to argue that a life without spirituality is a life not fully lived."

There I would disagree.

Tons of people live exemplary lives without ever thinking about any of this shit. 

They are fulfilled in what they do, and leave behind a lasting legacy.




Well said!

:japsmile:

I have found that personally I cannot survive emotionally without spirituality and it provides one of my primary sources of solace, meaning and fulfillment. But I imagine that many others are fundamentally different in their constitution and simply do not require or desire a spiritual path in their lives.


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Re: Spirituality- The path of inducing non-ordinary states within the context of a lineage [Re: Moonshoe]
    #17934336 - 03/10/13 04:23 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

spirituality for me is freedom to express how we feel and on into ecstatic states. Religion as we have sadly come to know it seems insufferably rigid and deadly confining by comparison, and I include the religion of scientism also--which is the current authoritarian power


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Re: Spirituality- The path of inducing non-ordinary states within the context of a lineage [Re: zzripz]
    #17942112 - 03/12/13 01:07 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Why can't spirituality involve purely states of "ordinary" consciousness?  Taoism strikes me as an example of this; just going with the flow and Being Here Now, no OBEs or talking to demons, angels or yodas necessary.  :shrug:


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Re: Spirituality- The path of inducing non-ordinary states within the context of a lineage [Re: deCypher]
    #17942130 - 03/12/13 01:14 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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Why can't spirituality involve purely states of "ordinary" consciousness?  Taoism strikes me as an example of this; just going with the flow and Being Here Now, no OBEs or talking to demons, angels or yodas necessary.  :shrug:




But maybe practicing Taoism somehow changes those ordinary everyday things into something somehow , extraordinary?


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Re: Spirituality- The path of inducing non-ordinary states within the context of a lineage [Re: Moonshoe]
    #17942139 - 03/12/13 01:17 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Maybe one learns to appreciate things more so that commonplace, mundane events and things may gain an enjoyable and novel light, but I'm not sure that practicing Taoism would make one's daily life extraordinary; how do you figure?


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Re: Spirituality- The path of inducing non-ordinary states within the context of a lineage [Re: deCypher]
    #17942222 - 03/12/13 01:50 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

I dont know. I love taoism as far as I understand it, and the Tao Teh Ching is probably my favourite book, but I couldn't say I have ever grasped taoism in a way that allowed me to "practice" it.

Thats why I rely on buddhism and hinduism , which have clear practices and techniques.

Im not saying taoism doesn't have such practices, but I am not aware of them.


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Re: Spirituality- The path of inducing non-ordinary states within the context of a lineage [Re: deCypher]
    #17946169 - 03/12/13 08:34 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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Why can't spirituality involve purely states of "ordinary" consciousness?  Taoism strikes me as an example of this; just going with the flow and Being Here Now, no OBEs or talking to demons, angels or yodas necessary.  :shrug:





I would say it is incredibly arrogant to think that some things do not exist just because you do not think that they do.


Taoism is a Cultivation Practice School that has many Ways.  Speaking about Tao School as if it is only Wu-Wei and nothing more is short-sighted.

I am of the Buddha School but I do not like oversimplification of an Entire School that Brings Sentient Beings to High Levels of Enlightenment.  BTW, the Angels and Jedi disagree with you.  The demons were obliterated last year so that is beside the point.


Some people have weak-sauce Forbearance and take things personal.


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Re: Spirituality- The path of inducing non-ordinary states within the context of a lineage [Re: Mr.Al]
    #17946564 - 03/12/13 09:55 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Examples of Taoism that deals with supernatural beings please?  Also note that nowhere in my post did I say anything inferring that angels/demons/whatever don't exist.

Did you get the news of Utter and Total Demon Obliteration straight from Angel Propaganda HQ, or what?  :lol:


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Re: Spirituality- The path of inducing non-ordinary states within the context of a lineage [Re: deCypher]
    #17948100 - 03/13/13 09:22 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

There are two major "schools" of Daoism:  the philosophical and the religious.  Most Westerners are familiar with only the philosophical side.

Religious Daoism has all the standard elements of religion -- worship of deities (Lao Tzu in particular) among them.

As I understand it, alchemy plays a central role in religious Daoism too.


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Re: Spirituality- The path of inducing non-ordinary states within the context of a lineage [Re: all this beauty]
    #17948115 - 03/13/13 09:26 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Interesting, got any good links that summarize Religious Daoism?


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Re: Spirituality- The path of inducing non-ordinary states within the context of a lineage [Re: deCypher]
    #17948136 - 03/13/13 09:36 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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Interesting, got any good links that summarize Religious Daoism?



Not really, but if you google you'll find a shitload.

There are Daoism web forums also (again, google if you're interested).  From what I've observed, they're mostly comprised of people interested in the Tao Te Ching and the other Daoist literature.  But some of the forums include religious Daoists too.


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Re: Spirituality- The path of inducing non-ordinary states within the context of a lineage [Re: deCypher] * 1
    #17948672 - 03/13/13 12:16 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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Why can't spirituality involve purely states of "ordinary" consciousness?  Taoism strikes me as an example of this; just going with the flow and Being Here Now, no OBEs or talking to demons, angels or yodas necessary.  :shrug:





I don't know about you but since I started really Taoing around, Yoda has been the main driving force in my life.




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"THE Human, you, is a miniscule but essential part of that pattern. In it lies complete fulfillment. It will never become something it is not, but it will never need to be anything else." - Wiccan_Seeker

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Re: Spirituality- The path of inducing non-ordinary states within the context of a lineage [Re: crkhd]
    #17949545 - 03/13/13 03:27 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

You can create your own context and lens but it requires a lot of constant work to maintain a vision IMO. Most people don't have the gumption to follow through with that.


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Re: Spirituality- The path of inducing non-ordinary states within the context of a lineage [Re: deCypher]
    #17950711 - 03/13/13 07:21 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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Examples of Taoism that deals with supernatural beings please?  Also note that nowhere in my post did I say anything inferring that angels/demons/whatever don't exist.

Did you get the news of Utter and Total Demon Obliteration straight from Angel Propaganda HQ, or what?  :lol:





You disrespecting the Angels are you kidding?  I won't even nickel-and-dime any of them their any of their Virtue if they decided to give you some FORBEARANCE physically.  ANY battle-cherub would do.  I would give them Virtue.


I OBLITERATED all the demons past, present and future on all timelines.  This occurred last year.  The demons have been destroyed to the point that they never even existed.


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Re: Spirituality- The path of inducing non-ordinary states within the context of a lineage [Re: Mr.Al]
    #17952389 - 03/14/13 12:06 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Oh.  :eek:


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Re: Spirituality- The path of inducing non-ordinary states within the context of a lineage [Re: crkhd]
    #17955862 - 03/14/13 04:36 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

DO OR DO NOT NEVER ANY TRY!

Yes, that fucking word gives a person room for failure.  After they fail they can console themselves with the word try.

People who are not strong use the word try and console themselves.

A Jedi must pick up the slack for those who are not strong and can not afford any weakness at all in their Character.


There Focus must be sharper than Laser-beam.  Mind more calm than Stillness within Stillness.

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Re: Spirituality- The path of inducing non-ordinary states within the context of a lineage [Re: Mr.Al]
    #17956049 - 03/14/13 05:15 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Life is not real. In my non-ordinary states and OBEs, my experience reveals with certainty that life is some kind of simulation. Nothing ever was real, nothing ever will be.

Let's just have endless orgies, at my house. Gay, straight, whatever.


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    #17956449 - 03/14/13 06:17 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

No.  Meaning is important to me and I do not swing that way. 


I have said it before but it bears repeating.


G.I.G.O.


Garbage In Garbage Out.


RIGHT THOUGHT, RIGHT WORD, RIGHT ACTION, AMEN.


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Re: Spirituality- The path of inducing non-ordinary states within the context of a lineage [Re: Mr.Al]
    #17956546 - 03/14/13 06:31 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

I was being a bit foolish.


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Re: Spirituality- The path of inducing non-ordinary states within the context of a lineage [Re: circastes]
    #17962853 - 03/16/13 12:17 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

Spirituality in the context of a Lineage also means Keeping to One Cultivation Practice.  Shakyamuni said that you can't stand on two boats and expect to get to the distant shore.  Li Hongzhi says that it is like taking a gear out of a swiss watch and replacing it with other components, then the watch won't run.


Cultivation Practice is the Evolution of a Being, this is something that involve many different dimensional spaces.  Complex Evolution of dimensional spaces require very specific designs.  To casually add things to a Cultivation Practice from something else interferes with that Cultivation Practice from functioning.

Forbearance determines the Dimensionality directly of the Being.


That Is Why Practicing Forbearance Is Powerful.


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Re: Spirituality- The path of inducing non-ordinary states within the context of a lineage [Re: Mr.Al]
    #17963541 - 03/16/13 07:07 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

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The demons have been destroyed to the point that they never even existed.




Can you get these things/'control points' out of my head and neck...??


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Re: Spirituality- The path of inducing non-ordinary states within the context of a lineage [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #17967552 - 03/17/13 07:06 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

not sure about defining it but let me sprinkle some key words that come to mind..fire,flow,resistance,desire,acceptance,qi...these come to mind when thinking of spirituality..
the word spirit comes from the word for breath in latin apparently..says alot.

i think things like meditation calm breath and also can ignite a fire/desire that can be guided through practices like reiki or pranayama and others to burn up the blocks(resistance) for maximum flowage..I dunno


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