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InvisibleSwami
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Spirituality and Anger
    #1792825 - 08/08/03 06:08 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Why is it when you question someone's beliefs about love & service to other's that they frequently lash out with harsh words? Is this NOT contrary to the most basic teachings? Is not displaying anger an ego-based emotional response?

Just curious...


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Re: Spirituality and Anger [Re: Swami]
    #1792860 - 08/08/03 06:18 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Because they don't love you and they don't feel like doing you the service of rationally addressing your opinions/arguments.


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Re: Spirituality and Anger [Re: Autonomous]
    #1792873 - 08/08/03 06:23 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

That is personality based. Not loving one part is hypocritical and displays an unawareness of God's presence in all things.


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Re: Spirituality and Anger [Re: Swami]
    #1792930 - 08/08/03 06:38 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Unawareness of who's presence in all things?


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Re: Spirituality and Anger [Re: Swami]
    #1792946 - 08/08/03 06:42 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
Why is it when you question someone's beliefs about love & service to other's that they frequently lash out with harsh words? Is this NOT contrary to the most basic teachings? Is not displaying anger an ego-based emotional response?

Just curious...




It takes a loooong time to become ego-less, if thats even possible....why would you think spiritually inclined people would not react the same as others? It takes time to learn...especially if your trying to disolve your ego....a lifetime i would imagine...


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Re: Spirituality and Anger [Re: Swami]
    #1793049 - 08/08/03 07:06 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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Swami said:
Why is it when you question someone's beliefs about love & service to other's that they frequently lash out with harsh words?




Do you honestly believe there is a simple enough answer to this question to be given here and now, or are you asking in a why can't we all just get along sort of way?

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Is this NOT contrary to the most basic teachings?




Which "basic teachings"? Even Christ showed anger, so if you're referring to those basic teachings, I would have to say, "No."

Quote:

Is not displaying anger an ego-based emotional response?




Yes. Do you believe all ego-based emotional responses are evil?

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Re: Spirituality and Anger [Re: Amber]
    #1793085 - 08/08/03 07:17 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Even Christ showed anger,

Irrelevant. Christ did not lash out at his disciples for asking questions, but against hypocrites defiling the temple. (But then you knew that already and were just testing me...)


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Re: Spirituality and Anger [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1793093 - 08/08/03 07:19 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

why would you think spiritually inclined people would not react the same as others?

Because of their proclamations. If they react the same, then where is the positive effect of the spiritual teaching?

Remember: A difference that makes no difference IS no difference.


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Re: Spirituality and Anger [Re: Swami]
    #1793306 - 08/08/03 08:13 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
Even Christ showed anger,

Irrelevant. Christ did not lash out at his disciples for asking questions, but against hypocrites defiling the temple. (But then you knew that already and were just testing me...)




Actually, Christ did tell the Pharisees and Sadducees to go fuck themselves a few times because they asked stupid questions. He recognized anger as a useful tool for more than just cleaning up the priestcraft at the Temple.

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Re: Spirituality and Anger [Re: Swami]
    #1793317 - 08/08/03 08:16 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
why would you think spiritually inclined people would not react the same as others?

Because of their proclamations. If they react the same, then where is the positive effect of the spiritual teaching?

Remember: A difference that makes no difference IS no difference.




Why do you need to evaluate a person's beliefs in order to find their spirituality valid? We are all gods. That alone determines a person's worth. Recognizing a person's divinity has nothing to do with whether or not you approve of their ideology or if their ideology has apparent merit to you.

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Re: Spirituality and Anger [Re: Swami]
    #1793364 - 08/08/03 08:30 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Quick answer: People are fallible. No one is perfect or impervious to hypocrisy.


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Re: Spirituality and Anger [Re: silversoul7]
    #1793509 - 08/08/03 09:04 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

only a complete idiot would come on a spirituality board frequented by hippies, ridicule everyone's deepest spiritual beliefs, and then wonder why no one likes him.


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Re: Spirituality and Anger [Re: DoctorJ]
    #1793513 - 08/08/03 09:05 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I like him


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Re: Spirituality and Anger [Re: Grav]
    #1793533 - 08/08/03 09:10 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I admire your grace.

As for me, however, I'll say that as long as I'm trapped in a human body, I'm subject to human emotions. Swami deliberatly pushes a lot of buttons.

If it weren't for my spiritual beliefs, I'd do more than be mad at swami. I would kill him. Not with an imaginary bullet from the pleiadian star system, but with an actual .45 caliber projectile that would crunch through his cranium at an alarming speed.



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Re: Spirituality and Anger [Re: DoctorJ]
    #1793540 - 08/08/03 09:12 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Why? He's just questioning things, similar to what Shroomism encouraged us to do in another thread.


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Re: Spirituality and Anger [Re: neutralizer]
    #1793545 - 08/08/03 09:13 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

he's not questioning, he's promoting an agenda.

people like swami want to eliminate the concept of free will by pushing the idea that everything is logical and predictable


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Re: Spirituality and Anger [Re: DoctorJ]
    #1793600 - 08/08/03 09:25 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, just like many of us want to eliminate the concept of being closed minded and brainwashed, who's to say who's right?


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Re: Spirituality and Anger [Re: neutralizer]
    #1793602 - 08/08/03 09:27 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

"who's to say who's right?"

exactly.


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Re: Spirituality and Anger [Re: neutralizer]
    #1793609 - 08/08/03 09:28 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I've been on the angry end of this exact scenario.

Most people react with anger when their companions oppose what seems obvious. It seems obvious to those who view love and other-centeredness as virtues that it could be no other way. Experience has told them so. What is lacking, though, is the discipline and awareness to probe the position of those questioning such viewpoints.

So, practicing love and other-centeredness really has very little to do with our reactions to those who challenge us. It is very easy to subscribe to a loving point of view, but cultivating the necessary patience to maintain it is extremely difficult and requires constant attentiveness to the true nature of our disagreements.

There's a story of a monk who'd gone into recluse to meditate. One day, a villageman was wandering through the woods, looking at the birds. He came across the monk and asked him, "Hey, what are you doing there?"

The monk replied, "I'm meditating on patience."

"Oh," said the villageman, "I'll leave you be, then." As he strolled onward, he turned around suddenly and said "By the way! You go to hell, you silly hermit!"

The monk's eyes popped open with a start and he said "What have I done for this? You go to hell!"

To which he was replied: "Aren't you supposed to be practicing patience?"

The truly wise understand as first nature that without opposition to loving kindness, there could be no such thing. And as such, those who are scornful of the gentle are our most valued teachers. Patience is not something adapted by choice, but only by constant testing.


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Re: Spirituality and Anger [Re: DoctorJ]
    #1793652 - 08/08/03 09:43 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

If it weren't for my spiritual beliefs, I'd do more than be mad at swami. I would kill him. Not with an imaginary bullet from the pleiadian star system, but with an actual .45 caliber projectile that would crunch through his cranium at an alarming speed.

With thoughts like that, you have no spiritual beliefs. That sort of anger is totally based in ego.

BTW, I do not take death threats lightly and will deal with it appropriately.



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