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budmanman said:

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closed veil said:

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this is what is known in canada as the "spring thaw"  there we find all of the missing hockey pucks that got lost in the snowbanks piled around the frozen ponds where we all play hockey

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closed veil said:
and yes budmanman, it is B&W, it was taken in B&W not edited too.

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Assuming it was taken with a digital camera, all you're saying is that you let the camera dumb down the image from color to B&W instead of using your own artistic insight to create a B&W version of the pic

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closed veil said:
someone's got a new bike! 


   

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hahaha,  its old as f__ now actually that pic is OLD.


Its actually sitting right beside me and the rear wheel has all the spokes blown out cuz im just that hardcore with my trickidge.

thats what i get for buying a cheap wheel

The whole bike is custom built and painted by me though and it fucking rocks if i do say so myself.

This is pre-sticker and the stickers make it even better 

RAD!

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closed veil said:
take it as you want it, don't change it later, that's lame.

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That's nonsense. It is the same as arguing that education only spoils the pure mind of a newborn child. If you want to get the best out of something, you need to work with it. That's particularly true for photographs.
Also, not a single photography you take with a digital camera is unedited. The camera applies a whole range of processing algorithms to make the picture look pretty. The only difference between that and manual editing later on is the lack of control in the former method. And the only advantage to that is that it saves you time. So instead of making it seem like some sort of dogmatic, vision-based decision, just be honest and admit you're too lazy to put any time into post-processing It's alright, I skip post processing on 99% of my photos too for exactly that reason. But if I opt for black and white, I sure as hell don't trust some Japanese engineer to predetermine how my B&W images will look.