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disrupting and reviving dormant mycelia from p. azurescens and p. cyanescens
    #17925170 - 03/08/13 04:25 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Hello,

My question is this: I have read about wild-harvesting mycelium and how mushrooms should be gently, carefully cut away in order to preserve the mycelium. But, given that the mycelium of p. azurescens and p. cyanescens is so tenacious, hardy, and aggressive, does this really matter? I mean, if there is any mycelium left at all, won't it just continue to spread? I ask this not because I am in the habit of butchering mycelium when I am out and about, but because I simply want to better understand the limitations and characteristics of these two species (since they are quite similar). I would go a step further to consider that if one even were to tear up a myc mat, wouldn't that only serve to spread the mycelium farther and wider? After all, don't these two species like some degree of being "disturbed" anyway?

Also:  how long can the mycelium of these 2 species survive outside of their normal growth environment, that is, can it remain dormant for an extended period and if so, how long and under what conditions? In other words, what is the temperature range, humidity range, light conditions, exposure to air, etc., as well as shelf-life (assuming all above conditions are controlled for) for which mycelium-covered wood chips/cardboard/cakes, whatever, can go dormant (dried out, shelved) and still be revivable at a later time?

thank you.

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Re: disrupting and reviving dormant mycelia from p. azurescens and p. cyanescens [Re: iLikeBugs]
    #17940656 - 03/11/13 07:56 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

oh key dough key, i would say, that it is a huge mistake to say that azures and cyans are very simular..as they share only a few characteristics...mainly that they fruit mostly in the pcnw and that they contain psylocin and psylocybin azures do not grow in disturbed areas so much they mostly inhabit "natural" areas with sandy soil and mixed grass culture, it is generally extremely difficult to grow them outside of this environment as they hold a delicate microbial balance with their micro biological neighbors were as cyans are very much so opportunistic and thrive in highly disrupted environments...so my response would vary strongly between these two species furthermore the subsequent handling of the myc makes a big difference, if you just tear up a patch and leave it exposed thinking it will just recover, then you probably just killed it, but if you tear out chunks of mycelium out as you harvest and  take and recase over the "wound" and then take the extra myc and roll it all up in soaking wet cardboard and let it recover in that and bury it in a simular envirnment as you found the original patch...well then you probably just expanded the culture...does this answer you question?


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Re: disrupting and reviving dormant mycelia from p. azurescens and p. cyanescens [Re: alive]
    #17941696 - 03/11/13 11:40 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Alive,
Thanks for your enlightening response. 

I have read in so many places (books, blogs, etc) that cyans and azures are similar species so I am a bit at a loss as to why you say they are not, unless you are specifically referring to the character of their respective mycelia. And, in that regard, you did answer a question I wasn't even aware I needed to ask:  the difference in their ability to be cultivated.  I am familiar with the ease at which cyans can be cultivated, and I have seen both mushrooms in their outdoor habitats, much as you describe and much as the literature suggests. You have definitely provided me with a missing piece of an unexpected puzzle.

I have one other question for you: is there any other wood-loving mushroom species in the PNW that creates a similar-looking myc mat in urban gardens as cyans?  I have researched and cannot easily find an answer.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: disrupting and reviving dormant mycelia from p. azurescens and p. cyanescens [Re: iLikeBugs]
    #17947801 - 03/13/13 06:58 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

P cyanescens and P azurescens are very similar and once were considered the same species.  Minor differences in habitat don't make it a 'huge mistake' to say they're similar.

Be gentle picking.  It's also a mistake to think the mycelium is aggressive, tenacious, or anything else in the fall at harvest time.  Perhaps in the spring, but not in the fall when people destroy so many patches.  The proof is in the pudding.  Every single patch I've ever shown to people is gone now, and every single patch I've kept to myself is still producing, either in the same place or nearby as the mycelium migrates.
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