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Re: TRUFFLE TEK - Complete guide to psychedelic sclerotia and their mushrooms [Re: SHROOMYG]
#17925509 - 03/08/13 05:40 PM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have some tampanensis on agar right now. Its growing pretty fucking slow. I was going to wait till it fully colonized the petri then hopefully it would be producing some stones. I was going to clone a stone and then use that for a few grain masters.
What i'm now thinking is to do a few transfers so i have like 5 other petris and use the one that I have now to make a grain master.
I do not plan to cultivate the mushroom, only grow stones. What is your opinion on that?
I really want to get ATL7 because i hear it produces better. Anyone notice a difference between that and tampanesis?
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Re: TRUFFLE TEK - Complete guide to psychedelic sclerotia and their mushrooms [Re: Blake_Shroom]
#17925731 - 03/08/13 06:28 PM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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Perfect - I have a P. tampanensis syringe coming next week!
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Re: TRUFFLE TEK - Complete guide to psychedelic sclerotia and their mushrooms [Re: Blake_Shroom]
#17926036 - 03/08/13 07:28 PM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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Blake_Shroom said: I have some tampanensis on agar right now. Its growing pretty fucking slow. I was going to wait till it fully colonized the petri then hopefully it would be producing some stones. I was going to clone a stone and then use that for a few grain masters.
Maybe it doesn't much like your agar. I bet you use malt.
I'd start rolling it around on grains. You're unlikely to get stone formation on agar until many transfers into many strains. I find that to be a lot of work for blind selection. The ones that will show strength on the grains are the ones to clone.
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Blake_Shroom said: I do not plan to cultivate the mushroom, only grow stones. What is your opinion on that?
Grow them at least once if you intend to be able to start from the top ever again.
Also, growing certain exotic mushrooms is really rewarding.
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Blake_Shroom said: I really want to get ATL7 because i hear it produces better. Anyone notice a difference between that and tampanesis?
One of stonesun's sclerotia threads has a relative score he laid out of the species he's worked with. I recall it saying Galindoi was best in fruit formation and in second-best in stone formation next to MexA. However over the time after that I saw Galindoi become more popular for stone yield. Galindoi has sure done better for me. I've not tried Tampanensis, but if someone threw me spores I'd grow it out and share.
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Re: TRUFFLE TEK - Complete guide to psychedelic sclerotia and their mushrooms [Re: Violet]
#17926302 - 03/08/13 08:24 PM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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Love it! Thank you.
I have some tamp freshly started in a LC right now. Can't wait. I had some Mex.A. but made a rookie mistake. That's another story. I'll get back with results in about, oh, say... 6 months
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Re: TRUFFLE TEK - Complete guide to psychedelic sclerotia and their mushrooms [Re: Dive_Deep]
#17926497 - 03/08/13 08:59 PM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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I was curious what the potency of the ALT #7 mushroom fruit is like? And what is a good reccomended dose? I don't think you mentioned that at all unless I skipped it somehow.
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Re: TRUFFLE TEK - Complete guide to psychedelic sclerotia and their mushrooms [Re: LustyLocks]
#17926722 - 03/08/13 09:40 PM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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Claybuddy said: I was curious what the potency of the ALT #7 mushroom fruit is like? And what is a good reccomended dose? I don't think you mentioned that at all unless I skipped it somehow.
It was mentioned once in the strength section: "The mycelia does evidently have twice the average psilocybin metabolism in general, as the mushrooms it forms also average double typical Cubensis." When fresh, both the mushrooms and sclerotia are on average twice Cubensis' strength.
Dose, recommended for what? Gonna go see a jam band, or gonna go explore the solar system? Eat what seems right for you. You'll love Galindoi's effect...
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Re: TRUFFLE TEK - Complete guide to psychedelic sclerotia and their mushrooms [Re: Violet]
#17927450 - 03/09/13 01:16 AM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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Jesus. I must have missed that part. 
Thanks violet! And again thanks for this write up. It is great!
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Re: TRUFFLE TEK - Complete guide to psychedelic sclerotia and their mushrooms [Re: LustyLocks]
#17927879 - 03/09/13 04:44 AM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nice presentation, but the information is basically regurgitated verbatim from RR's videos and a few other common teks and there's very little in there specific to sclerotia species cultivation. It's window-dressing with no value-add.
As an aside, although incubation is not required, the one commercial operator whose processes I'm aware of incubates at ~28°C, so it is worth experimenting with once your sterile procedure is down-pat.
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Re: TRUFFLE TEK - Complete guide to psychedelic sclerotia and their mushrooms [Re: Fischer]
#17928109 - 03/09/13 07:29 AM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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Excellent stuff. I like the spawn prep idea, can't see a single burst kernel!
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Re: TRUFFLE TEK - Complete guide to psychedelic sclerotia and their mushrooms [Re: friggins]
#17928550 - 03/09/13 10:10 AM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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stellar write up Vio !!!! 
im playing with ATL 7 atm. i experimented a few jars with wheat grain as well as rye. wheat kinda bugs me to use ,but i havent seen any people try it with ATL. so i thought what the hell. but if more air means better sclerotia growth than this stuff should work goood for that since its a little bigger grains than rye.
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Re: TRUFFLE TEK - Complete guide to psychedelic sclerotia and their mushrooms [Re: psylosymonreturns]
#17928694 - 03/09/13 10:55 AM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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Fischer said: Nice presentation, but the information is basically regurgitated verbatim from RR's videos and a few other common teks and there's very little in there specific to sclerotia species cultivation. It's window-dressing with no value-add.
PFFT that's total bull
It is not regurgitated from anything except my experience, especially not RR's videos. It's begging the question as to if you've seen both. He shows boil prep, I recommend against and provide another. He shows RGS no-prep, I recommend not using RGS for sclerotia formation as well as no-prep teks. He doesn't show a lot of things that this one does, and does show a lot of things that this doesn't; they're totally different.
No offense here, but that was a pretty stupid statement. Hell I had to watch RR's videos just to see how wrong it was. Thanks anyway.
This is actually very specific to sclerotia species cultivation. You only say there's not much because of how applicable the techniques are to all species. The methods selected were narrowed-down to the most prevalent for sclerotia formation especially to the home enthusiast, and always lain-out in the light of its specific function for sclerotia species. As far as one sclerotia species to the next, the differences are far too subtle to make any notable difference and mostly comes down to growth times and fruiting chamber accommodations, of which I selected a method that suits them all well enough.
TO ALL: These techniques are open-source. I didn't originate-per-se any of them nor did I lay claim to anything except having immense experience with truffles which allows me to write-out a thorough procedure that anyone can easily perform, which includes only the necessities and most effective approaches. All info that makes it to the boards now belongs to everyone, and power-punching pictorial how-to's are called for to set standards and help us all individually weed-out inferior techniques.
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psylosymonreturns said: stellar write up Vio !!!! 
im playing with ATL 7 atm. i experimented a few jars with wheat grain as well as rye. wheat kinda bugs me to use ,but i havent seen any people try it with ATL. so i thought what the hell. but if more air means better sclerotia growth than this stuff should work goood for that since its a little bigger grains than rye.
Thanks!
Yeah exactly. Wheat is so-so for mycology and corn straight sucks, but due to the differences in truffle attempts they're actually quite fine grains for sclerotia like I said in the tek. They won't yield better than rye by any notable margin if at all but wheat berries are cheaper and corn is easier to find.
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Re: TRUFFLE TEK - Complete guide to psychedelic sclerotia and their mushrooms [Re: Violet]
#17928725 - 03/09/13 11:05 AM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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the myc is much nicer on the rye. but i just had some wheat kicking around from my reishi grow so i thought what the hell.
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Re: TRUFFLE TEK - Complete guide to psychedelic sclerotia and their mushrooms [Re: friggins]
#17928801 - 03/09/13 11:29 AM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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friggins said: Excellent stuff. I like the spawn prep idea, can't see a single burst kernel!
I know, right?! That's something I figured out by myself. I have used countless variations of grain preps getting the best feel for their nature that I could. From long preps to no-preps, soaks and no soaks, boils and no boils, drying and not drying... I tried everything.
The method outlined in this tek is the best for me. No pre-soak, no boil, no drying, just pouring boiling water on grains & waiting then straining & loading. Perfect healthy grains every time, never too dry, never too wet, never burnt, never under-expanded, never burst!
(Note, the easiest method is of course the no-prep, which consists of adding 1:2/2:3 water:grain to the jars, and sterilizing. This provides superior nutrition but often "burnt" and chewy grains. Allowing the jars to sit 4-12 hours beforehand shaking regularly to soak that water up evenly into the surfaces helps, but it's still not as good. Boiling often over-hydrates the grains and almost completely necessitates a surface-drying period. This was the most annoying part for me and often took quite some time with me regularly rolling them around to ensure they dried evenly. PITA.)
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Re: TRUFFLE TEK - Complete guide to psychedelic sclerotia and their mushrooms [Re: Violet]
#17929512 - 03/09/13 03:03 PM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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By the way, sorry there are so many keen to marginalize your efforts. As far as i'm concerned, and i've read just about every instructional thread about sclerotia on these boards, there is plenty of novel and useful information here. There's also nothing wrong with representing some of the same information; it at least serves to make searches more effective and useful. Don't let all the bitching get to you, and keep it coming
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Re: TRUFFLE TEK - Complete guide to psychedelic sclerotia and their mushrooms [Re: Violet]
#17929749 - 03/09/13 04:05 PM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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Violet said: PFFT that's total bull
It is not regurgitated from anything except my experience, especially not RR's videos. It's begging the question as to if you've seen both. He shows boil prep, I recommend against and provide another. He shows RGS no-prep, I recommend not using RGS for sclerotia formation as well as no-prep teks. He doesn't show a lot of things that this one does, and does show a lot of things that this doesn't; they're totally different.
No offense here, but that was a pretty stupid statement. Hell I had to watch RR's videos just to see how wrong it was. Thanks anyway.
Good to know you can take an opinion in a considered manner, champ.
RR (and everybody else who has more than 2c to throw in on sclerotia production) recommends Rye grain for sclerotia cultivation (not in his videos, and if you read my post properly you'll recall I didn't say everything came from his videos).
You method of grain prep is different to the norm, and I'm interested where the claim that boiling leeches required nutrients (and presumably reduces yield) comes from.
Look, normally I wouldn't bother since pissing on someone's bonfire isn't cool, but when you're making the claim that the methods detailed in this tek are absolute current best-practice and proven so, then you're up for a little scrutiny and criticism if your claims aren't proven and you don't mention any of those who pioneered (as far as you're concerned) the methods you're outlining.
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Re: TRUFFLE TEK - Complete guide to psychedelic sclerotia and their mushrooms [Re: Violet]
#17930091 - 03/09/13 05:20 PM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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Blake_Shroom said: I have some tampanensis on agar right now. Its growing pretty fucking slow. I was going to wait till it fully colonized the petri then hopefully it would be producing some stones. I was going to clone a stone and then use that for a few grain masters.
Maybe it doesn't much like your agar. I bet you use malt.
I'd start rolling it around on grains. You're unlikely to get stone formation on agar until many transfers into many strains. I find that to be a lot of work for blind selection. The ones that will show strength on the grains are the ones to clone.
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Blake_Shroom said: I do not plan to cultivate the mushroom, only grow stones. What is your opinion on that?
Grow them at least once if you intend to be able to start from the top ever again.
Also, growing certain exotic mushrooms is really rewarding.
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Blake_Shroom said: I really want to get ATL7 because i hear it produces better. Anyone notice a difference between that and tampanesis?
One of stonesun's sclerotia threads has a relative score he laid out of the species he's worked with. I recall it saying Galindoi was best in fruit formation and in second-best in stone formation next to MexA. However over the time after that I saw Galindoi become more popular for stone yield. Galindoi has sure done better for me. I've not tried Tampanensis, but if someone threw me spores I'd grow it out and share.
I will grow them out, just not any time in the near future. What agar recipe would you recommend?
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Re: TRUFFLE TEK - Complete guide to psychedelic sclerotia and their mushrooms [Re: Fischer]
#17930099 - 03/09/13 05:22 PM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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Violet said: It is not regurgitated from anything except my experience, especially not RR's videos. It's begging the question as to if you've seen both. He shows boil prep, I recommend against and provide another. He shows RGS no-prep, I recommend not using RGS for sclerotia formation as well as no-prep teks. He doesn't show a lot of things that this one does, and does show a lot of things that this doesn't; they're totally different.
RR (and everybody else who has more than 2c to throw in on sclerotia production) recommends Rye grain for sclerotia cultivation (not in his videos, and if you read my post properly you'll recall I didn't say everything came from his videos).
Yeah, I recommend rye grain too… That's not what RGS is, RGS stands for rye grass seed, it's super tiny and what RR's LGM videos show being used for "sclerotia" in a no-prep style. I also stated that he uses a boil prep for grains which I don't recommend, as you addressed below:
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Fischer said: You method of grain prep is different to the norm, and I'm interested where the claim that boiling leeches required nutrients (and presumably reduces yield) comes from.
This "claim" should be obvious, it's housewife info that boiling broccoli or rice etc. seeps out taste and nutrition… it's the very concept of teas, tinctures, and extracts. With grains in particular it's why the water gets so dark especially when boiled. My approach reduces this, and if you get the hang of using just the right amount of water per grain it almost eliminates it.
That's also the reason that grainwater can be mixed with agar-agar for a great agar recipe, and likewise that grainwater agar can actually be used to grow mushrooms directly with certain techniques. Such a waste that so many pour out that good stuff when it has so many uses.
There are also published studies that phosphorous is the limiting factor of the potency potential of substrate. It makes sense, psilo being 4-PO-DMT. Obviously greater nutrition is better. I've done enough grain preps to know the clear difference between lovely healthy grains and ones with half the goods cooked out.
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Fischer said: Look, normally I wouldn't bother since pissing on someone's bonfire isn't cool, but when you're making the claim that the methods detailed in this tek are absolute current best-practice and proven so, then you're up for a little scrutiny and criticism if your claims aren't proven and you don't mention any of those who pioneered (as far as you're concerned) the methods you're outlining.
I'll modify for you what I said above: Whether or not I "pioneered" anything listed in this tek, everything that has hit the boards is now public domain. Everyone owns everything, whether individuals may like it or not. So to either claim originality of anything myself or to herald someone else for doing so is moot.
As far as these methods being the current proven best practices - what about them isn't proven? What's not proven and a shared conclusion that rye grain is arguably ideal for sclerotia? What's not proven about nutrients and minerals soaking out into water especially when heated? What's not proven about yields being higher when more nutrition is present? What's not proven about numerous particles of edible nitrogen and phosphorous being available to contribute to strength? What isn't proven about eating vermiculite giving you glitter shits, and manure tasting like turd? What isn't proven about tyvek being an inferior filter? To me, everything I outlined in TRUFFLE TEK is obvious, but as always it's important that individuals experiment and see for themselves.
That said. I'm not averse to "scrutiny" or "criticism", only to negative or degradive attitudes it can be cast in. Your initial post wrongly called this guide a regurgitation, and said that it "window-dresses with no value-add". That's a question of perspective and opinion, one that others here clearly differ on.
Take for example the statement that it "window-dresses". I figure you're speaking widely about things such as the lid prep, pressure cooking, and inoculating. It's important to remember that this guide is a COMPLETE presentation, made to show every last necessary step, for people who may-or-may-not be beginners.
Also, the statement that it has no "value-add" is very disagreeable. I feel it adds a lot of guidance of how to approach improving ones grain preparations, inoculate optimally per the approach, trim the fat of procedures, and create a food-safe product with the best power possible. It also generally outlines the potency of these species, provides through ratios of comparison with Cubensis, and expounds upon the benefits of aging them. It even presents an extremely effective and little-known treatment method for pasteurizing, as well as suggesting that bacterial fermentation of substrates with added nitrogen and phosphorous can increase the nutrients available for production of alkaloids.
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Re: TRUFFLE TEK - Complete guide to psychedelic sclerotia and their mushrooms [Re: Blake_Shroom]
#17930145 - 03/09/13 05:31 PM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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Blake_Shroom said: I have some tampanensis on agar right now. Its growing pretty fucking slow. I was going to wait till it fully colonized the petri then hopefully it would be producing some stones. I was going to clone a stone and then use that for a few grain masters.
Maybe it doesn't much like your agar. I bet you use malt. I'd start rolling it around on grains. You're unlikely to get stone formation on agar until many transfers into many strains. I find that to be a lot of work for blind selection. The ones that will show strength on the grains are the ones to clone.
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Blake_Shroom said: I do not plan to cultivate the mushroom, only grow stones. What is your opinion on that?
Grow them at least once if you intend to be able to start from the top ever again. Also, growing certain exotic mushrooms is really rewarding.
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Blake_Shroom said: I really want to get ATL7 because i hear it produces better. Anyone notice a difference between that and tampanesis?
One of stonesun's sclerotia threads has a relative score he laid out of the species he's worked with. I recall it saying Galindoi was best in fruit formation and in second-best in stone formation next to MexA. However over the time after that I saw Galindoi become more popular for stone yield. Galindoi has sure done better for me. I've not tried Tampanensis, but if someone threw me spores I'd grow it out and share.
I will grow them out, just not any time in the near future. What agar recipe would you recommend? Thanks
I use exclusively grainwater agar. The browned water from grain prep is a wonderful agar. I switch up and/or mix between rye, rice, and grass seed, so the nutrient variety keeps them on their toes but keeps them optimal on those substrates. My Panaeolus Cinctulus won't run well on malt or rice agar… it crawls without a tad of "dirt" or hi proportion of grass seed water. Experiment and use what you know about the species.
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Re: TRUFFLE TEK - Complete guide to psychedelic sclerotia and their mushrooms [Re: Violet]
#17938864 - 03/11/13 01:48 PM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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What would you recommend making an lc out of?
Edit- I was going to do that just to keep a culture available, but at the moment I have to master grain jars that will be used for G2G and I'm going to do some transfers and make some more masters. I hope to have about 2 dozen jars going soon to have a bunch ready for summer
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Re: TRUFFLE TEK - Complete guide to psychedelic sclerotia and their mushrooms [Re: Blake_Shroom]
#17939213 - 03/11/13 03:17 PM (11 years, 10 months ago) |
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Violet thanks for taking the time to type and edit this. Always good to have a new source to draw from, especially such a well formatted one.
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