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r35l
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Re: TRUFFLE TEK - Complete guide to psychedelic sclerotia and their mushrooms [Re: Violet]
#23471271 - 07/24/16 02:46 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thank you for this enlightening tek. what are youre thoughts on colonizing in quarts and then emptying them into a 5gal bucket with a lid the growtime?
are there any other strains that may create sclerotia? any of the regular cubensis been known to do this?
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Re: TRUFFLE TEK - Complete guide to psychedelic sclerotia and their mushrooms *DELETED* [Re: r35l]
#23705936 - 10/04/16 07:47 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Edmunter
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Re: TRUFFLE TEK - Complete guide to psychedelic sclerotia and their mushrooms [Re: DeathPosture]
#23748764 - 10/18/16 12:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Growing out cultures as we speak...... Nice layout
Can you over do it if u leave the jars too long?
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enlightenment
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Re: TRUFFLE TEK - Complete guide to psychedelic sclerotia and their mushrooms [Re: Edmunter]
#23748804 - 10/18/16 12:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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double post. sorry. -.-
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enlightenment
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Re: TRUFFLE TEK - Complete guide to psychedelic sclerotia and their mushrooms [Re: Edmunter]
#23748808 - 10/18/16 12:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Edmunter said: Can you over do it if u leave the jars too long?
Do you talk about colonized jars? They start to get rancid after 8-12 months.
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Re: TRUFFLE TEK - Complete guide to psychedelic sclerotia and their mushrooms [Re: enlightenment]
#23749213 - 10/18/16 03:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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enlightenment said: They start to get rancid after 8-12 months.
any photos of your rancid stones? what recipe did you use? be interested in the water content too, and sterilization methods.
If you simply heard this is the case with zero experience can you link to the post you heard it in?
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Re: TRUFFLE TEK - Complete guide to psychedelic sclerotia and their mushrooms [Re: blackout]
#23749305 - 10/18/16 03:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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enlightenment said: They start to get rancid after 8-12 months.
any photos of your rancid stones? what recipe did you use? be interested in the water content too, and sterilization methods.
If you simply heard this is the case with zero experience can you link to the post you heard it in?
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Edmunter
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Re: TRUFFLE TEK - Complete guide to psychedelic sclerotia and their mushrooms [Re: Edmunter]
#23749310 - 10/18/16 03:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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can i get a qualified answer please
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StickyIcky Fingers
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Re: TRUFFLE TEK - Complete guide to psychedelic sclerotia and their mushrooms [Re: Edmunter]
#23749925 - 10/18/16 07:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Edmunter said: Growing out cultures as we speak...... Nice layout
Can you over do it if u leave the jars too long?
Supposedly 9 months from full colonization is optimum (I forget where I saw this possibly in stonesun's guide.... or maybe just some random poster idk). But my last stone grow I let all of the 6 half gallon jars go for 12ish months after full colonization and it was fine. The colonized sub just gradually dries out (from the top down) and shrinks away from the side of the jar.
That 12 months is the longest I have let any go but you could reach a point where the myc dries out and dies then gets nasty I'm guessing that would take an unreasonable amount of time (or a long lost jar). I would just go by if it looks ok and smells ok its fine.
If I remember correctly I saw the most significant stone growth at or from the half way point (6 months) to 2/3 through (9 months).... its quite possible that I am not remembering correctly since I had the jars sitting around for a year and just stared at them for a bit every so often. and that grow ended a bit over a year ago.
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Re: TRUFFLE TEK - Complete guide to psychedelic sclerotia and their mushrooms [Re: StickyIcky Fingers]
#23798231 - 11/03/16 04:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Apologies if this has already been addressed somewhere in this thread, (is there a search-within-a-thread feature I'm missing?) but what is the reason for the strict SFD/Polyfil rule? Would a couple layers of micropore not get the job done effectively?
Edited by BBBlack (11/03/16 04:17 PM)
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Re: TRUFFLE TEK - Complete guide to psychedelic sclerotia and their mushrooms [Re: BBBlack]
#23798291 - 11/03/16 04:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Saving, if i didnt already
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Re: TRUFFLE TEK - Complete guide to psychedelic sclerotia and their mushrooms [Re: BBBlack]
#23798316 - 11/03/16 04:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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BBBlack said: Apologies if this has already been addressed somewhere in this thread, (is there a search-within-a-thread feature I'm missing?) but what is the reason for the strict SFD/Polyfil rule? Would a couple layers of micropore not get the job done effectively?
Scroll all the way down. There's a "Search this thread" box.
MP tape is an okay filter, but certainly not the best. I wouldn't use it for grain spawn. Your gonna be holding onto these grains for a while. Your gonna want decent filters that will last. SFD's are pretty cheap if you look online.
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Re: TRUFFLE TEK - Complete guide to psychedelic sclerotia and their mushrooms [Re: Grey]
#23798433 - 11/03/16 05:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's especially for maintaining moisture. It's why I suggest limiting the hole size to the diameters mentioned in the tek when using SFD, or even using a full SFD over just a hole-punched lid. As long as gases can be exchanged, they'll be exchanged. But a major determining favor of yield is water content. Since truffles are 2/3 water, a 5-star yield of 150g fresh truffles requires 100 grams of water just for the truffles alone *remaining at the end of the whole extended incubation* of 2-5 months or longer. Micropore isn't as reliable or as controlling of moisture release. Poly-fil is an easy local find that can work reliably and well if packed pretty tight!
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Re: TRUFFLE TEK - Complete guide to psychedelic sclerotia and their mushrooms [Re: Grey]
#23798466 - 11/03/16 05:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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BBBlack said: Apologies if this has already been addressed somewhere in this thread, (is there a search-within-a-thread feature I'm missing?) but what is the reason for the strict SFD/Polyfil rule? Would a couple layers of micropore not get the job done effectively?
Scroll all the way down. There's a "Search this thread" box.
does the search this threead thing actually work for you? I've tried numerous times but something's fucky.. I always have to look manually.
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Re: TRUFFLE TEK - Complete guide to psychedelic sclerotia and their mushrooms [Re: spacechildo]
#23798577 - 11/03/16 06:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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It never has for me in general! It always sends me in the total opposite direction if anywhere at all
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Re: TRUFFLE TEK - Complete guide to psychedelic sclerotia and their mushrooms [Re: spaceman101]
#23798788 - 11/03/16 07:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you search single words it gets you a step closer. I use it mainly looking for a post I've read. Usually I'll remember the context enough to search a single word and find it. So sometimes.
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Re: TRUFFLE TEK - Complete guide to psychedelic sclerotia and their mushrooms [Re: Grey]
#23799631 - 11/04/16 02:04 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have all the different filter and dont see a difference. If you do use Micropore tape use 2 layers
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Re: TRUFFLE TEK - Complete guide to psychedelic sclerotia and their mushrooms [Re: blackout]
#23799653 - 11/04/16 02:21 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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enlightenment said: They start to get rancid after 8-12 months.
any photos of your rancid stones? what recipe did you use? be interested in the water content too, and sterilization methods.
If you simply heard this is the case with zero experience can you link to the post you heard it in?
I saw your post just now.
It was Psi. Tampanensis grown on rye. 18h soak -> 10 min boil -> ~100 min PC. Inoculated with LC.
Not soaked in coffee. I found this jar and it looked still good. The smell was OK maybe a little sour. When I bite into the stones it was a really weird, sour, unpleasant taste.
I decided to not eat more of them. It is possible that it was contaminated with bacteria or something but the other jars I used some months before did not have this smell and taste.
+ I took a look around and found this a few minutes ago:
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-"The truffles can be kept for over a month, when refrigerated at 2 to 4 degrees Celsius. Since truffles are a “living” product, it can happen that a white mist or white fluff “grows” on the truffles . This is harmless, and in fact it is actually healthy. The truffle forms new mycelium, and thus it is its own fungus that you see growing. This phenomenon occurs due to lack of gas exchange, which lets the CO2 content in the container increase. "
The fluff you see growing is from keeping them too wet. Sclerotia will absorb water, and this water is teeming with bacteria, even when chlorinated. Since the only way to properly store them is in their dry form(as millions of years of evolution has designed), you want to get them dry as soon as possible to stop the degradation of the alkaloids. If you put them in the refrigerator in a brown paper bag, they'll dry within a few days to a week.
The grains they grow on can be picked off easily when you harvest, or brushed off with a clean basting brush. Besides, grains are tasty so there is no need to get it all off. Sorry to be short earlier, but considering that I've typed the same answer many times in the past, it's hard to keep doing it over and over again. Just because some farm in Netherlands washes them, doesn't make it right. There's farms in the US that wrap fresh mushrooms in plastic for sale in grocery stores, which is equally bad for product quality. Hopefully people here don't also start recommending to wrap fresh mushrooms in plastic.
Anyone who has bitten into a rancid sclerotia knows exactly what I'm talking about. It's like picking up a wet rag from behind the gas station toilet and sticking it in your mouth. The key is to eat them fresh, or get them dry as soon as possible. RR
That's after they were extracted from the substrate but it sounds like the same issue I had with the stones inside the old jar.
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It looks like it wasn't an exceptional case what I experienced with my forgotten jar:
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RogerRabbit said: Harvest when you notice growth has stopped. If left too long, they'll get rancid and be ruined. RR
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FractalXplora said: I believe most people harvest inbetween 4 - 6 months for potency.
I think theres a risk of them rotting if you leave for much longer than 6 months.
Have a look at stonesuns thread, its covers everything in massive clear details.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14191791#14191791
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Edmunter
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Re: TRUFFLE TEK - Complete guide to psychedelic sclerotia and their mushrooms [Re: enlightenment]
#23799692 - 11/04/16 03:03 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Seems pretty qualified to me..
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Re: TRUFFLE TEK - Complete guide to psychedelic sclerotia and their mushrooms [Re: enlightenment]
#23803772 - 11/05/16 03:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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enlightenment said: It was Psi. Tampanensis grown on rye. 18h soak -> 10 min boil -> ~100 min PC. Inoculated with LC.
Not soaked in coffee. I found this jar and it looked still good. The smell was OK maybe a little sour. When I bite into the stones it was a really weird, sour, unpleasant taste.
I decided to not eat more of them. It is possible that it was contaminated with bacteria or something but the other jars I used some months before did not have this smell and taste.
I would go longer than 100mins for sclerotia jars, as it will be stored for months. Most of my last ones contaminated and I was pretty sure the agar dishes were clean. This time I am really going overboard with my grain heat treatments to rule it out. This could have been just an unlucky jar, which contamed. I am yet to be convinced that they will go rancid as a rule. If it was several older jars which were all equally bad while at 6 months they were fine then it would be more definite.
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enlightenment said: That's after they were extracted from the substrate but it sounds like the same issue I had with the stones inside the old jar.
I have had old harvested stones go sour alright, as they are exposed to contams. RR was referring to a video showing the "truffle brothers" who wash the stones with tap water. There should be no contams present in the unopened jars if they were done correctly.
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RogerRabbit said: Harvest when you notice growth has stopped. If left too long, they'll get rancid and be ruined. RR
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posts like these do convince me its a good idea not to let them go too long, whether it's due to the fact they will 100% definitely go bad, or just that there is a risk they will go bad may not be of interest to many people. I wonder about it since I would like to not have to dry the stones, or freeze, dry or refrigerate them. I wonder if sealing off the filters after 6 months might prolong their shelf life.
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