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Re: First grow, stringy white stuff. [Re: MacMerdin]
    #17923056 - 03/08/13 06:08 AM (11 years, 24 days ago)

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Anyway, you might be able to just poke a few holes on the bottom for now to release the CO2.



This would work, if co2 actually sank and settled out of air, but it does not.

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Re: First grow, stringy white stuff. [Re: PussyFart]
    #17924029 - 03/08/13 12:08 PM (11 years, 23 days ago)

You are both wrong.., soz.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fne3CNiwQog

I'm starting to think a sgfc need's a redesign..

:mushroom2:Phil.

Edit: I should follow that up tbh..

In normal air co2 is evenly dispersed due to air currents but when at higher levels, in a sealed environment or when with a co2 producer it will sink..

So in a sgfc co2 will fill up like water in a tank..

I think the sgfc needs a redesign because holes under the perlite won't bring air and moisture up but rather down and out..


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Re: First grow, stringy white stuff. [Re: PussyFart]
    #17924871 - 03/08/13 03:22 PM (11 years, 23 days ago)

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Notahacker420 said:
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MacMerdin said:
Anyway, you might be able to just poke a few holes on the bottom for now to release the CO2.



This would work, if co2 actually sank and settled out of air, but it does not.




It does in a sealed environment.  Which is what the OP has at the moment.  Which is why I suggested poking holes for GE.

Guess what GE is?

Gas exchange.

Guess how that happens?

Convection through the holes.  No holes = CO2 buildup at the bottom.

Don't believe me?  Here's a link.....

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Carbon Dioxide Released by Mushroom Mycelium

Carbon Dioxide Released by Mushroom Mycelium can be measured and calculated for the volume of the mycelium present.  In a hermetically closed environment, the amount of generated carbon dioxide has be consumed at the same rate its produced, else the system goes out of balance.


Carbon dioxide is a heavy gas.  When left alone, it will settle to the bottom of a container or a valley if there is no wind.




http://www.gardeningrhythms.com/carbon-dioxide-released-by-mushroom-mycelium/

Remember that the OP has a closed system as of right now people!!!!!!

Had the OP already had a SGFC, then this discussion would have never happened.


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Re: First grow, stringy white stuff. [Re: MacMerdin]
    #17925022 - 03/08/13 03:51 PM (11 years, 23 days ago)

Thanks mac for repeating what I said..

Maybe take a chill pill though,
It's a discussion not an argument..

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Re: First grow, stringy white stuff. [Re: MacMerdin]
    #17925032 - 03/08/13 03:53 PM (11 years, 23 days ago)

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MacMerdin said:
Quote:

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Quote:

MacMerdin said:
Anyway, you might be able to just poke a few holes on the bottom for now to release the CO2.



This would work, if co2 actually sank and settled out of air, but it does not.




It does in a sealed environment.  Which is what the OP has at the moment.  Which is why I suggested poking holes for GE.

Guess what GE is?

Gas exchange.

Guess how that happens?

Convection through the holes.  No holes = CO2 buildup at the bottom.

Don't believe me?  Here's a link.....

Quote:

Carbon Dioxide Released by Mushroom Mycelium

Carbon Dioxide Released by Mushroom Mycelium can be measured and calculated for the volume of the mycelium present.  In a hermetically closed environment, the amount of generated carbon dioxide has be consumed at the same rate its produced, else the system goes out of balance.

Carbon dioxide is a heavy gas.  When left alone, it will settle to the bottom of a container or a valley if there is no wind.




http://www.gardeningrhythms.com/carbon-dioxide-released-by-mushroom-mycelium/

Remember that the OP has a closed system as of right now people!!!!!!

Had the OP already had a SGFC, then this discussion would have never happened.





M'kay, I'll see your sources and raise you a professional mycologist:  :shrug:


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O2 will build up in a terrarium, whether or not holes are drilled into all six sides. The levels will be lower than they would be without holes drilled and/or fanning regularly, but will still be above normal ambient. With oyster mushrooms and lion's mane to name two species that are very CO2 intolerant, you need to fan a few times per day, even when using my terrarium design. The point above is that even with 100 holes in the floor of the fruiting chamber/terrarium, CO2 levels will still be elevated. The holes help, but don't make for maintenance free fruiting. In other words, gravity won't 'drain' the CO2. I hope this clears up any lingering confusion. In addition, CO2 is not the only reason we provide air exchange. The other important reason is that contaminants prefer stale air, while mushroom mycelium prefers fresh, moving air.





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CO2 doesn't 'sink to the bottom' or 'pour out like water'. It mixes with the air and raises the CO2 content. CO2 can be measured in the upper reaches of the atmosphere. If it all settled to the bottom (ground) it would snuff out life on earth. Therefore, you can't drain CO2 out of your terrarium by holes on the bottom. Fans in a small terrarium will dry out the air. That's why your current cakes
are blue. They're dry and stressing. You want natural circulation in your FC, near 100% humidity, and enough holes or fanning by hand to get the CO2 out.






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If CO2 was heavier enough than air that it settled to the bottom, we'd all be dead from CO2 poisoning on the surface of the planet. CO2 mixes with the air. To get rid of it, you exchange the air in the terrarium. You can't simply drill a hole in the bottom and expect it to run out like water.

CO2 is found high in the atmosphere, not just at the surface. It's the same in your terrarium. In a completely airtight container, the CO2 would sink to the bottom. Such is not the case with our growing containers. C02*CO2 won't run out of holes in the bottom.

It's widely misunderstood that CO2 is heavier than air, and many growers think it will run out like water if only there's holes in the bottom. The fact is, the CO2 mixes with the air inside the tub and raises its CO2 content. You have to exchange ALL the air in the tub to get rid of it. I simply drill lots of holes in the fruiting chamber, and let nature take care of it.






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You want holes all around to create circulation. It's a myth that CO2 settles to the bottom and needs to be 'drained' out. If that were the case, we'd all be dead from the CO2 from the power plants, car exhaust, etc. sinking to the surface of the earth, but the fact is, CO2 can be measured in the highest reaches of the upper atmosphere. It simply mixes in with the air and goes where the air goes.






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Drill holes as described. CO2 isn't enough heavier that it will 'drain' out holes in the bottom. You want lots of holes so there can be constant fresh air.




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Re: First grow, stringy white stuff. [Re: PsilyPhily]
    #17925045 - 03/08/13 03:55 PM (11 years, 23 days ago)

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Thanks mac for repeating what I said..

Maybe take a chill pill though,
It's a discussion not an argument..

:mushroom2:Phil.




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Re: First grow, stringy white stuff. [Re: Doc_D]
    #17925046 - 03/08/13 03:55 PM (11 years, 23 days ago)

this dude hasn't been around sinse yesterday ...he's probly got his chamber fixed by now lol


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Re: First grow, stringy white stuff. [Re: MacMerdin]
    #17925117 - 03/08/13 04:14 PM (11 years, 23 days ago)

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MacMerdin said:
Anyway, you might be able to just poke a few holes on the bottom for now to release the CO2.



This would work, if co2 actually sank and settled out of air, but it does not.




It does in a sealed environment.  Which is what the OP has at the moment.  Which is why I suggested poking holes for GE.



But there are cakes in there right?

Well mycellium gives off heat, so the co2 mixes with the air because of these heat currents...it's like a convection.

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Re: First grow, stringy white stuff. [Re: PussyFart]
    #17925199 - 03/08/13 04:35 PM (11 years, 23 days ago)

The funny thing is I only mentioned the CO2 because it was stated before my post.  The initial reason I said to poke holes in the bottom was for gas exchange and humidity.  I only mentioned the CO2 because it was mentioned previously.

I understand what you guys are saying but why would a mushroom grow tall and skinny when looking for O2 if the CO2 didn't sink naturally?


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Re: First grow, stringy white stuff. [Re: MacMerdin]
    #17925225 - 03/08/13 04:41 PM (11 years, 23 days ago)

co2 does sink naturally and cakes do have heat currents that take some away with those currents and all this science has been thought of before and the result is the sgfc! thats y there are holes on all 6 sides!


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Re: First grow, stringy white stuff. [Re: MacMerdin]
    #17925237 - 03/08/13 04:43 PM (11 years, 23 days ago)

Thanks for the information guys.

I'm starting to believe that the draining CO2 theory is incorrect myself.  At least to the point of poking a hole or two on the bottom wouldn't change much.

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Re: First grow, stringy white stuff. [Re: MacMerdin]
    #17925244 - 03/08/13 04:45 PM (11 years, 23 days ago)

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co2 does sink naturally



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Re: First grow, stringy white stuff. [Re: PussyFart]
    #17925246 - 03/08/13 04:46 PM (11 years, 23 days ago)

I like the way the community here somehow gets the conversation to start with everyone saying give the fc holes to an in depth discussion about ozone and convection lol..
:grin:

Essentially we all agree op needs more FAE, his question is answered..
Yet we all still carry on chatting.. op might not even return lol..

Considering there were no holes I would stick with my gun's and say co2 sinks but notahacker made a great point, with the myc producing heat even in an airtight container the air would circulate..

I was wrong..
:feelsbadman:

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Re: First grow, stringy white stuff. [Re: PsilyPhily]
    #17925274 - 03/08/13 04:53 PM (11 years, 23 days ago)

i said naturally hacker lol if you put co2 in a baloon what happens?
the fact of the matter is the amount of co2 generated by a few cakes is minimal at best and the slightest bit of air movement will push it out or the smallest heat current will carry it


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Re: First grow, stringy white stuff. [Re: cronicr]
    #17925293 - 03/08/13 04:56 PM (11 years, 23 days ago)

Yep it does sink naturally,
It's just that the natural environment disperses it..

That's how it end's up.
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high in the atmosphere, not just at the surface.




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Re: First grow, stringy white stuff. [Re: PsilyPhily]
    #17925593 - 03/08/13 05:59 PM (11 years, 23 days ago)

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Thanks for the information guys.

I'm starting to believe that the draining CO2 theory is incorrect myself.  At least to the point of poking a hole or two on the bottom wouldn't change much.

:thumbup:





The holes in the SGFC are essential, more so the bottom ones. The only point I was making was that CO2 doesn’t fall through air and drain out of the holes in a SGFC and more simply that’s not what the holes are for. The SGFC is an elegant & ingenious design but you only maximise its potential if you build it to the correct specification.


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Yep it does sink naturally,
It's just that the natural environment disperses it..

That's how it end's up.
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high in the atmosphere, not just at the surface.




:mushroom2:Phil.






The easiest way of looking at it is if CO2 did settle out of room air and was draining out of the holes in the bottom of the SGFC then it would be taking the moisture of the perlite with it. But as the cakes give off CO2, heat & water then as the CO2 is warmer than the air it naturally rises and it’s this pressure differential that draws air in through the holes in the bottom and subsequently through the perlite thus supplying humidity to the SGFC.

Once the warmer CO2 is mixed with the air and drops to ambient temperatures it remains mixed due to gaseous diffusion.

It doesn’t separate and it doesn’t fall through the air to the ground.


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Re: First grow, stringy white stuff. [Re: Doc_D]
    #17925624 - 03/08/13 06:04 PM (11 years, 23 days ago)

thnx for clearing that up doc! lol the op is gonna be shaking his head when he decides to log in lol


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Re: First grow, stringy white stuff. [Re: Doc_D]
    #17926130 - 03/08/13 07:45 PM (11 years, 23 days ago)

Dude it's pretty sad when someone concedes and the other one keeps going on about it.  The only thing I can call such a person...............asshole.

Good day and good bye.


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Re: First grow, stringy white stuff. [Re: MacMerdin]
    #17928149 - 03/09/13 07:56 AM (11 years, 22 days ago)

Hey trying to post pics of pins but it says "post-count, reg date insufficient to post images", so I'm hoping the post limit is only 10 lol


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Re: First grow, stringy white stuff. [Re: numanuma2]
    #17928152 - 03/09/13 07:57 AM (11 years, 22 days ago)

Very interesting.... Haha, well what I've done is poke 2 (3" diameter) holes in the bottom at the opposite end to the lid. Now as we've learnt, CO2 will not drain out like a tap. 'Oweva, when I fan my makeshift SGFC from the other end, whatever air is not displaced from the hole through which I am fanning will be forced out through these holes. As another bonus, the natural air flow from my window entering through the sizeable gaps in the lid will also displace the stale CO2 laden air through the other side.. Which would not have happened before, due to the lack of any level of vacuum suction.

You guys are off ya chops, I love it. Thanks for the help.


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