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Mycologist217
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How Important is consolidation?
#17905332 - 03/04/13 09:06 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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How important is consolidation? What are the benefits of consolidating for 7 days verses 5, or 4, or 3?
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cronicr



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Re: How Important is consolidation? [Re: Mycologist217]
#17905355 - 03/04/13 09:11 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Consolidation is for fruiting substrates. One of the biggest reasons is that the nutrient requirements of colonizing mycelium are higher than that same mycelium in the fruiting stage. When we allow the mycelium to consolidate the substrate, these extra nutrients, such as coffee grinds and/or bran, brown rice flour, grains, etc., are consumed, giving the substrate a lower nutrient load at fruiting time, which results in more fruits and less mutants. and with that said greater bennifits are reached far beyond 7 days the seven days is said because of people impatients lol
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Re: How Important is consolidation? [Re: cronicr]
#17905401 - 03/04/13 09:22 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Its better to do it than to not. You will wait around the same amount of time for fruit anyhow. It helps prevent contamination as well.
One more thing to remember, Full colonization is number one pinning trigger!
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Re: How Important is consolidation? [Re: nastos]
#17905414 - 03/04/13 09:25 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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without consolidating mycelium is still in it's growing state which leads to ariel mycelium
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Tmethyl
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Re: How Important is consolidation? [Re: nastos]
#17905418 - 03/04/13 09:26 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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The importance of consolidation is basically covered in the above, but I'll add in a few more:
By waiting the consolidation week, you allow the mycelium to digest more of the substrate, reducing the potential for mutants.
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Consolidation allows the mycelium to digest some of the nutrients in the substrate before flushing. Compare it to eating a meal a few hours before running a race as opposed to getting up immediately after eating to run the race. RR
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Re: How Important is consolidation? [Re: Tmethyl]
#17905432 - 03/04/13 09:29 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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I thought mutant traits were acquired through genetics. I have never heard that they were influenced by consolidation times?
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Tmethyl
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Re: How Important is consolidation? [Re: nastos]
#17905461 - 03/04/13 09:36 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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They are genetic most of the time, but with variations such as PE(and sometimes normal variations), they will show many mutants on the first flush because the substrate is a little too nutritious. This is especially common with Shitake and other species. The first flush will use up the over-abundant nutrients, and the second flush will be nearly mutant free.
Here is a quick example of a PE tub I recently grew on a complex and highly nutritious substrate:
First flush:

Second flush:
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DEZn00ts
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Re: How Important is consolidation? [Re: Tmethyl]
#17905672 - 03/04/13 10:13 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Tmethyl said: They are genetic most of the time, but with variations such as PE(and sometimes normal variations), they will show many mutants on the first flush because the substrate is a little too nutritious. This is especially common with Shitake and other species. The first flush will use up the over-abundant nutrients, and the second flush will be nearly mutant free.
Here is a quick example of a PE tub I recently grew on a complex and highly nutritious substrate:
First flush:

Second flush:

DO you mist or fan your mono's?
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Tmethyl
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Re: How Important is consolidation? [Re: DEZn00ts]
#17905747 - 03/04/13 10:24 PM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Only if they need it. (usually, not)
I will mist them if there is no visible moisture anywhere in the tub, it's usually about 1-2 misting per flush. Fan after misting, I don't fan any other times.
Sometimes I mist them for pictures though, so they look all sweaty and shiny.
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Re: How Important is consolidation? [Re: Tmethyl]
#17906577 - 03/05/13 04:00 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Tmethyl said: The importance of consolidation is basically covered in the above, but I'll add in a few more:
By waiting the consolidation week, you allow the mycelium to digest more of the substrate, reducing the potential for mutants.
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Consolidation allows the mycelium to digest some of the nutrients in the substrate before flushing. Compare it to eating a meal a few hours before running a race as opposed to getting up immediately after eating to run the race. RR
So you let your tub sit another 7 days until its 100% colonized ?
But what to do when using bubble wrap ? Apply when inducing fruiting condicions- so after consolidation ?
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Tmethyl
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Re: How Important is consolidation? [Re: Zarotti]
#17906761 - 03/05/13 06:31 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yes 7 days after 100% Use bubblewrap after birthing fully consolidated cake.
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Re: How Important is consolidation? [Re: Tmethyl] 1
#17906790 - 03/05/13 06:49 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Wouldn't proper consolidation be important as a pinning trigger? Lets say you have good coverage on the surface, but the inside is not complete, you probably won't see pins as soon as you would if the entire food supply was exhausted. I am often seeing people who don't let their cakes consolidate frustrated with how long it takes to see pins.
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Re: How Important is consolidation? [Re: Tmethyl]
#17906811 - 03/05/13 07:02 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Tmethyl said: Yes 7 days after 100% Use bubblewrap after birthing fully consolidated cake.
Cakes shouldn't be wrapped up or covered. The wax paper tek is for cased or uncased bulk substrates. Use a shotgun terrarium and a proper misting schedule for best results with brf cakes.
Consolidation is the phase where the mycelium consumes part or most of the substrate after colonizing it. It will substantially increase the quality and quantity of the future harvests.
Mutant 'blobs' with all stem material and no cap are caused by oversupplementation or failure to allow the mycelium sufficient time to consolidate the substrate. The traditional 'mutant' with a second cap and stem rising out of the first mushroom is genetic. RR
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Re: How Important is consolidation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#17906817 - 03/05/13 07:04 AM (10 years, 11 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Wouldn't proper consolidation be important as a pinning trigger? Lets say you have good coverage on the surface, but the inside is not complete, you probably won't see pins as soon as you would if the entire food supply was exhausted. I am often seeing people who don't let their cakes consolidate frustrated with how long it takes to see pins.
This is why I usually wait to see a pin or at least some knots. It cuts down on me obsessively checking my tubs for pins
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