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Pharmahuasca preparation
    #17886371 - 03/01/13 01:39 PM (11 years, 3 days ago)

So recently I decided I want to try a small dose of pharmahuasca before I make the plunge I to real ayahuasca but I'm not exactly clean on the dosage or preparation. Is it ok to use freebase DMT or should it be changed to HCL? What about freebase harmala? What is the dose for harmala alkaloids to fully activate DMT? What dose of DMT would create a mild but substantial trip? I've found I'm quite sensitive to DMT and psilocybin so I figure I may not need as much as some other people. Please share your experiences of your own pharmahuasca trips.

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Re: Pharmahuasca preparation [Re: Connoisseur]
    #17886432 - 03/01/13 01:49 PM (11 years, 3 days ago)

I've had success w/ freebase. Not sure about harmala to DMT ratio, tho. I used 300 mg of 10x syrian rue which worked out well. I took a gelcap w/ the 10x rue half an hour prior to a gelcap w/ 50mg of freebase DMT.

The overall experience was pretty mild but I tend to be hardheaded w/ such substances.


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Re: Pharmahuasca preparation [Re: Synchro]
    #17886435 - 03/01/13 01:50 PM (11 years, 3 days ago)

Was that a rue resin extract?

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Re: Pharmahuasca preparation [Re: Connoisseur]
    #17886441 - 03/01/13 01:51 PM (11 years, 3 days ago)

No it was powdered.


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Re: Pharmahuasca preparation [Re: Synchro]
    #17886447 - 03/01/13 01:52 PM (11 years, 3 days ago)

Interesting, was it crystalline?

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Re: Pharmahuasca preparation [Re: Connoisseur]
    #17886451 - 03/01/13 01:53 PM (11 years, 3 days ago)

Extracted dmt normal 1st dose I would say 100mg. However if hour sensitive try 80mg. As to how much extracted rue go for 200mg.


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Re: Pharmahuasca preparation [Re: Rewindicus]
    #17886463 - 03/01/13 01:54 PM (11 years, 3 days ago)

200mg of freebase or salt rue?

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Re: Pharmahuasca preparation [Re: Connoisseur]
    #17886468 - 03/01/13 01:55 PM (11 years, 3 days ago)

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Interesting, was it crystalline?




It was a brown/reddish powder that I purchased already extracted from a vendor. It was really easy to fill a gelcap with it


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Re: Pharmahuasca preparation [Re: Synchro]
    #17886473 - 03/01/13 01:55 PM (11 years, 3 days ago)

I wonder.......

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Re: Pharmahuasca preparation [Re: Connoisseur]
    #17889008 - 03/01/13 09:15 PM (11 years, 3 days ago)

If you find that you get nauseated easily, converting freebase DMT to HCL (or another salt) can lessen those effects. Same goes for harmalas. Freebase alkaloids have a high pH so it can be pretty rough for the stomach to handle.

I have read that salts are absorbed more efficiently than freebase if taken orally.

Re: dosage, ~80-100 mg DMT and 200 mg harmala extract seem like good doses. :thumbup:


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Re: Pharmahuasca preparation [Re: Aquila chrysaetos]
    #17889058 - 03/01/13 09:22 PM (11 years, 3 days ago)

Does the dosage apply to both salt and freebase forms?

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Re: Pharmahuasca preparation [Re: Connoisseur]
    #17889150 - 03/01/13 09:34 PM (11 years, 3 days ago)

That dosage applies to freebase. Salts are a heavier molecule, although I am not sure how much heavier they would be (and a Google search is proving inconclusive).

I haven't worked with pure salts yet, simply dissolved freebase into lemon juice.


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