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OfflineJohnnyR
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Spawning Brf/verm pics
    #1788487 - 08/07/03 02:55 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

since no one has tried this i decided i would.....

i had 4 brf cakes and i took 2 of the cakes that hadnt shown any signs of germination from 14 days ago and took them apart and was pleasantly suprised with almost fully colonized cakes in the middle of them so i chopped the colonized substrate into squares....

then i took a bread pan and put a small layer of moist verm and then put the squares on top... then added a brf cake and this is what it looked like the next day...



and this is it now 10 days later with 3 total cakes inside with a straight verm casing...



Here is another casing of the same size with only 1 cake in there as we speak... i will add 2 more cakes tomorow for colonization and put back into the incubator...



Here is a larger casing with 3 cakes in there as we speak... it wasnt as tall as the others but this baby colonizes the cakes 3 times faster than the other smaller casings.... i will case this with straight verm tomowow...



Any ideas or comments are welcome....


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Re: Spawning Brf/verm pics [Re: JohnnyR]
    #1788536 - 08/07/03 03:07 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

So you placed colonized cakes on top instead of mixing it in? A problem I see that you may encounter is predicting when to fruit it because you dont know when the bottom layers are colonized and besides that a higher contam risk, probably slower colonization too.


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Re: Spawning Brf/verm pics [Re: Zwieback0]
    #1788669 - 08/07/03 03:33 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

no....

i put straight verm on the bottom for water... then put the colonized cake substrate onto the pan... then added a 1/2 pint of brf/verm... then i let it all colonized... then out another cake in and let it colonized.. then put another cake in to colonized... then case it with straight verm and cold shock it and put in the teranium to fruit...


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Re: Spawning Brf/verm pics [Re: JohnnyR]
    #1788693 - 08/07/03 03:36 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

JohnyR so are you saying that if someone is adding multiple cakes to a casing you do it by adding one cake @ a time?


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Re: Spawning Brf/verm pics [Re: none]
    #1788730 - 08/07/03 03:44 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I think he's colonizing brf/verm in a pan using crumbled up cakes. This is actually a good idea. If it's kept at a low ratio, say 1/2 pint colonized to 1 pint uncolonized, it's probably pretty contam resistant. I wouldn't try the same thing with grain though.


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Re: Spawning Brf/verm pics [Re: Demiurge]
    #1788826 - 08/07/03 04:10 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I would never recommend casing with straight vermiculite though... imo

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Re: Spawning Brf/verm pics [Re: OJK]
    #1788874 - 08/07/03 04:25 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

straight verm is very underestimated...

heres a straight verm casing i did about a year ago.... with 2 cakes...



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Re: Spawning Brf/verm pics [Re: JohnnyR]
    #1788881 - 08/07/03 04:27 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Well, I can't argue with that :grin:

nice pic dude

I guess it depends on a lot of other factors as well, but in my experiance straight verm hasn't worked so well (which isn't to say that it can't work well) 


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Re: Spawning Brf/verm pics [Re: Demiurge]
    #1788883 - 08/07/03 04:27 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Demiurge said:
I think he's colonizing brf/verm in a pan using crumbled up cakes. This is actually a good idea. If it's kept at a low ratio, say 1/2 pint colonized to 1 pint uncolonized, it's probably pretty contam resistant. I wouldn't try the same thing with grain though.




hes right... if your doing this the way im doing it, it takes about 2-5 days to colonize a 1/2 pint... this gives the casing lots of nutrients to feed off of while splitting the time in half....


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Re: Spawning Brf/verm pics [Re: none]
    #1788981 - 08/07/03 04:54 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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none said:
JohnyR so are you saying that if someone is adding multiple cakes to a casing you do it by adding one cake @ a time?




yes because this way you are preventing contamination...


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Re: Spawning Brf/verm pics [Re: JohnnyR]
    #1789108 - 08/07/03 05:34 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

:thumbdown:


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Re: Spawning Brf/verm pics [Re: shirley knott]
    #1789135 - 08/07/03 05:43 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

verm rocks...


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Re: Spawning Brf/verm pics [Re: shirley knott]
    #1789144 - 08/07/03 05:47 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

i should probably elaborate - this thread is a classic case of the blind leading the blind.

adding more substrate bit by bit actually increases the chances of contaminants - each time it survives, you give it another battle to fight.

and while i'm all in favour of new experimentation, the third pic down shows overlay, and you're not gonna improve on that by dumping more of anything on top. first learn how it grows. then experiment. otherwise you're no better than the idiot trying the 'experiment' of squirting a spore syringe on a cowpat in his bathtub. hmmmm?

time to read the FAQs, people.


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Re: Spawning Brf/verm pics [Re: shirley knott]
    #1789160 - 08/07/03 05:51 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

"adding more substrate bit by bit actually increases the chances of contaminants - each time it survives, you give it another battle to fight. "

so your saying its all out of energy by the time it wants to fruit?? whats your point??? it gets weaker after each "battle" as you call them....


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Re: Spawning Brf/verm pics [Re: JohnnyR]
    #1789210 - 08/07/03 06:08 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

only that growing mushrooms is a battle to make your chosen microrganism (in this case fungus p. cub) beat all the millions of other competitors to get the food you kindly provide it with.

each time you expose uncolonised but sterile food to the outside world, you're playing the casino. you provide some fresh unclaimed food, and you're hoping that your mycelium will win. but it's not in a jar, it's not in any sterile environment, it may as well be outdoors.

good luck JohnnyR. I'm on your side -I really want you to succeed and grow shrooms. but you don't yet have the experience to experiment sensibly, or to give others advice on what is a good plan.

i'd love for you to prove me wrong. good luck  :kiss: 


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Re: Spawning Brf/verm pics [Re: shirley knott]
    #1789594 - 08/07/03 07:57 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

There is a similar tek out there. You mix 1 fully colonized cake with 2 or 3 sterilized brf/verm. The colonization time deacreases and get more in less time. I would recommend it, it works.


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Re: Spawning Brf/verm pics [Re: Zwieback0]
    #1789655 - 08/07/03 08:20 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Are you talking about the ones using baggies? If so, that is a big difference. The baggie protects the uncolonized substrate a lot better than this technique would. This is basically a multi-step G2G with BRF+V. I hope it works out for you man. I agree with Shirley though that you are definately upping the contam risk quite a bit.

As far as casing with just verm goes, I have had success with it as well.


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Re: Spawning Brf/verm pics [Re: shakta]
    #1790811 - 08/08/03 02:53 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

its essentially the same as a bag... except i cover it with tin foil so there is more air exchange for fast colonization...

and how would you know how much experience i have shirley??? u dont know shit...


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Re: Spawning Brf/verm pics [Re: shirley knott]
    #1790815 - 08/08/03 02:54 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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shirley knott said:
i should probably elaborate - this thread is a classic case of the blind leading the blind.

adding more substrate bit by bit actually increases the chances of contaminants - each time it survives, you give it another battle to fight.

and while i'm all in favour of new experimentation, the third pic down shows overlay, and you're not gonna improve on that by dumping more of anything on top. first learn how it grows. then experiment. otherwise you're no better than the idiot trying the 'experiment' of squirting a spore syringe on a cowpat in his bathtub. hmmmm?

time to read the FAQs, people. 




hahahahah there goes SK giving it to somebody again :smile:

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Re: Spawning Brf/verm pics [Re: JohnnyR]
    #1790929 - 08/08/03 03:56 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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and how would you know how much experience i have shirley???  u dont know shit...   




:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

i don't know. i just assume based on your posts. whatever, dude. i won't bother to answer any of your shitty newb questions again. hell, i may just toss some of them straight out. 


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