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Invisiblewingnutx

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PROPAGANDA WATCH (snippet from NRO blog)
    #1782453 - 08/05/03 04:17 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

PROPAGANDA WATCH [Andrew Stuttaford]

The 'Partnership for a Drug-Free America' has long been a rather repellent organization, but for sheer stupidity a full page advertisement that it is running in today's New York Times takes some beating. The advertisement is dominated by a blown-up copy of the death certificate of a young woman. The cause of death is given as "acute drug intoxication (MDMA)" . This, readers are told, should be the starting point for discussing Ecstasy "with [their] kids."

Do the prohibitionists never learn?

There are, certainly, dangers associated with Ecstasy, not least the profoundly disturbing possibility that it might be associated with Parkinson's disease, but, given its popularity and the circumstances in which it is supplied (there's no quality control for an illegal drug, after all), mortality rates appear to be very low. Now, any death as a result of drug use is a tragedy, but to suggest that parents' first discussion with their children on the topic of Ecstasy should begin with a highly unrepresentative disaster is to suggest that the Partnership for a Drug-Free America prefers crude scaremongering to reasoned discussion.

Wait a minute. What am I saying? Of course that's what they prefer. They are drug warriors.

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OfflineAzmodeus
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Re: PROPAGANDA WATCH (snippet from NRO blog) [Re: wingnutx]
    #1782519 - 08/05/03 04:32 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Disinformation, and scare tactics...seems more than just the drug free america is utilising this teaching method...


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Re: PROPAGANDA WATCH (snippet from NRO blog) [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1785195 - 08/06/03 01:42 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

"Ecstasy: As drugs go, it's really not that bad."

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Re: PROPAGANDA WATCH (snippet from NRO blog) [Re: Fcuerkt]
    #1785200 - 08/06/03 01:44 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Hehe.. that's not a bad slogan.  I think I'll print up some bumper stickers :smile:


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Re: PROPAGANDA WATCH (snippet from NRO blog) [Re: GernBlanston]
    #1785863 - 08/06/03 05:01 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Weve allready went through this like 4 years ago.. The Ontario Government got concerned about the rediculous amounts of people going out to raves and getting mangled on E every weekend at raves in Toronto which attracted a good 10-20 thousand kids everyweekend.. Of course one person Died from an E over dose and that made it the greatist danger any parent has ever known.. After overblowing the facts they succeeded in driving the raves underground again by prohibiting the use of federaly owned buildings.. Now it's soo hard to find a good venue and the person who's throwing the party is responible for paying security,Ambulance and Cops wages who are at the party.. People just have to try and find a venue that's privately owned so we can at least side step the security and cops fee's..

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Re: PROPAGANDA WATCH (snippet from NRO blog) [Re: Bhairabas]
    #1785872 - 08/06/03 05:05 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

E might not kill you, but it will make you a fucking dumbass if you do it to much. I don't do anything synthetic anymore myself.

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Re: PROPAGANDA WATCH (snippet from NRO blog) [Re: shakta]
    #1785880 - 08/06/03 05:06 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Natural isn't inherently any safer than synthetic.


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Re: PROPAGANDA WATCH (snippet from NRO blog) [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1785933 - 08/06/03 05:31 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Baby_Hitler said:
Natural isn't inherently any safer than synthetic.




I call bullshit on that one. Shrooms and weed are inherently safer than heroine and cocaine.

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Re: PROPAGANDA WATCH (snippet from NRO blog) [Re: wingnutx]
    #1786051 - 08/06/03 06:12 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Well, MDMA only really became popular in the 90s. Nobody really knows what the long term effects are/will be. Especially since the gov hasn't allowed much research into it. In 10 years time we could all start dropping like flies.

I doubt it though.


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Re: PROPAGANDA WATCH (snippet from NRO blog) [Re: shakta]
    #1786070 - 08/06/03 06:17 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Bullshit is such a harsh word. The wrong kind of mushroom can kill you, and everyone you ever cared about.


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Re: PROPAGANDA WATCH (snippet from NRO blog) [Re: shakta]
    #1786085 - 08/06/03 06:21 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Cocaine and heroin are both derived from plants.


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In the beginning was the word. And man could not handle the word, and the hearing of the word, and he asked God to take away his ears so that he might live in peace without having to hear words which might upset his equinamity or corrupt the unblemished purity of his conscience.

And God, hearing this desperate plea from His creation, wrinkled His mighty brow for a moment and then leaned down toward man, beckoning that he should come close so as to hear all that was about to be revealed to him.

"Fuck you," He whispered, and frowned upon the pathetic supplicant before retreating to His heavens.

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Re: PROPAGANDA WATCH (snippet from NRO blog) [Re: Zahid]
    #1786100 - 08/06/03 06:24 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Heroine and cocaine both come from plants.


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Re: PROPAGANDA WATCH (snippet from NRO blog) [Re: Edame]
    #1786114 - 08/06/03 06:30 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Yes I know this. How about processed with chemicals then instead of synthetic. Most drugs that are chemically processed are inherently more dangerous than shrooms and weed. Can we agree with that?

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Re: PROPAGANDA WATCH (snippet from NRO blog) [Re: Zahid]
    #1786120 - 08/06/03 06:31 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Zahid said:
Bullshit is such a harsh word. The wrong kind of mushroom can kill you, and everyone you ever cared about.




I am talking about the same shrooms everyone hear eats not poisonous ones. I think that was obvious though. Sorry if the word offends you though.

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Re: PROPAGANDA WATCH (snippet from NRO blog) [Re: shakta]
    #1786216 - 08/06/03 06:56 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

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shakta said:
I am talking about the same shrooms everyone hear eats not poisonous ones.


But poisonous mushrooms are natural too. That was the point Hitler made. While most people agree that mushrooms and pot are safer than Ecstacy, I don't think it's because natural things are inherently safer.


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Re: PROPAGANDA WATCH (snippet from NRO blog) [Re: Cornholio]
    #1786259 - 08/06/03 07:08 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

I will conced that. In my thinking we would be talking about active shrooms, not poisonous ones. I digress. I will tell you one thing for sure, coke, speed, and heroine will seriously fuck up your life. I luckily escaped them with minimal damage. Any of you that are toying with the idea of using these drugs that haven't before should seriously consider not doing it. Not trying to be anyones Dad, just speaking from personal experience.

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Re: PROPAGANDA WATCH (snippet from NRO blog) [Re: shakta]
    #1786316 - 08/06/03 07:26 PM (20 years, 7 months ago)

From what I've read on those drugs (I can't speak from personal experience), I'd be inclined to agree with you (although I think that their illegality has a lot to do with their danger too).


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:tongue:

In the beginning was the word. And man could not handle the word, and the hearing of the word, and he asked God to take away his ears so that he might live in peace without having to hear words which might upset his equinamity or corrupt the unblemished purity of his conscience.

And God, hearing this desperate plea from His creation, wrinkled His mighty brow for a moment and then leaned down toward man, beckoning that he should come close so as to hear all that was about to be revealed to him.

"Fuck you," He whispered, and frowned upon the pathetic supplicant before retreating to His heavens.

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Re: PROPAGANDA WATCH (snippet from NRO blog) [Re: Edame]
    #1787537 - 08/07/03 05:43 AM (20 years, 7 months ago)

natural: datura

synthetic: LSD

the equation kinda breaks down there doesn't it??


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Re: PROPAGANDA WATCH (snippet from NRO blog) [Re: Edame]
    #1787614 - 08/07/03 06:59 AM (20 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Edame said:
From what I've read on those drugs (I can't speak from personal experience), I'd be inclined to agree with you (although I think that their illegality has a lot to do with their danger too).




I agree. That is why I have reservations about making them legal.

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Invisiblewingnutx

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Re: PROPAGANDA WATCH (snippet from NRO blog) [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1788117 - 08/07/03 11:19 AM (20 years, 7 months ago)

"Natural" is neither good or bad. This goes for both ingestables and human behavior.

That's always been a pet peeve of mine.

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