Home | Community | Message Board


Magic-Mushrooms-Shop.com
Please support our sponsors.

General Interest >> Political Discussion

Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Jump to first unread post. Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | Next >  [ show all ]
Offlineatomikfunksoldier
T'was born oftrue in the yearof the cock!

Registered: 04/07/03
Posts: 1,500
Loc: a human-infested anthill
Last seen: 13 years, 8 months
LAND OF THE FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    #1781800 - 08/05/03 03:25 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I went to Seattle yesterday. Nice city I guess, I didnt think it was really worth the bus fair though, it lacks character and life if you ask me.....anyways. I have a question for all you Americans out there:

Do Americans (the average american) truly believe that the US is more "free" than the rest of the world? or is the constant reinforcement of America being the apex of human freedom just a catchphrase-type thing like "Canada kicks ass".

Everywhere I went in Seattle, I was constantly reminded that "America is the land of the free", I dont see that in Canada, but I do see things like "Canada kicks ass" and "Canadian girls kick ass". So, is the whole "land of the free" thing just a fun thing to put on t-shirts, or are Americans truly delusional enough to believe such a thing?

is it a celebration of American freedom, or a belief that America is the only "free" nation on earth?


--------------------
enjoy the entertaining indentity i have constructed for you while you can.


Edited by atomikfunksoldier (08/05/03 03:26 PM)


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlineshakta
Infidel
Registered: 06/03/03
Posts: 2,633
Last seen: 13 years, 5 days
Re: LAND OF THE FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1781835 - 08/05/03 03:34 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

We don't believe we are more free than the rest of the world, but we are more free than a lot of places. We must be doing something right, since so many people try to move here every day. If you think it sucks here stay in Canada and save your bus fare. We already have plenty Canadians.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlineatomikfunksoldier
T'was born oftrue in the yearof the cock!

Registered: 04/07/03
Posts: 1,500
Loc: a human-infested anthill
Last seen: 13 years, 8 months
Re: LAND OF THE FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: shakta]
    #1781876 - 08/05/03 03:43 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

why are you such an idiot? I never said that Seattle "sucked". Im sure its great for business and shopping. And as far as American Cities go, im sure its one of the safest and cleanest. But compared to Vancouver, it definitly lacks life and character.

For example, I went to a few asian restuaraunts in Downtown and on Capital hill. Compared to asian resturaunts in Vancouver, the ones in seattle have been completely americanized and have had all the individuality sucked out of them. (granted, i didnt go to the international district). Thats what I mean by character, Seattle is way more commercial, which is a givin, because compared to Vancouver, Seattle is far more Commerce-orientated.


--------------------
enjoy the entertaining indentity i have constructed for you while you can.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Invisiblehoushroom
shroom cowboy

Registered: 05/07/03
Posts: 678
Loc: space city
Re: LAND OF THE FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: shakta]
    #1781886 - 08/05/03 03:46 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

shakta said:
We must be doing something right, since so many people try to move here every day.




That's because there is money here!


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlineshakta
Infidel
Registered: 06/03/03
Posts: 2,633
Last seen: 13 years, 5 days
Re: LAND OF THE FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: houshroom]
    #1781894 - 08/05/03 03:47 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Duh! No shit!

There are a lot more reasons than that though. A lot of people flee their homelands to fight opression and death. Basically the same reasons we came here to begin with. The chance at a new life.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlineshakta
Infidel
Registered: 06/03/03
Posts: 2,633
Last seen: 13 years, 5 days
Re: LAND OF THE FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1781914 - 08/05/03 03:52 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

atomikfunksoldier said:
why are you such an idiot?




People like you must have worn off on me. I answered your question. I just didn't like your tone. You asked if we are dillusional enough to think we are free. We have a lot more freedoms here than most places in the world. So we can't do drugs legally. Most of the people here want it that way. I am not one of them, but most do. We also think everyone on the planet has these same rights. Unfotunately most of the time we are the only country who gives a shit enough to actually try to help others obtain these freedoms we enjoy.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlineatomikfunksoldier
T'was born oftrue in the yearof the cock!

Registered: 04/07/03
Posts: 1,500
Loc: a human-infested anthill
Last seen: 13 years, 8 months
Re: LAND OF THE FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: shakta]
    #1781915 - 08/05/03 03:52 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)



--------------------
enjoy the entertaining indentity i have constructed for you while you can.


Edited by atomikfunksoldier (08/05/03 03:53 PM)


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlineshakta
Infidel
Registered: 06/03/03
Posts: 2,633
Last seen: 13 years, 5 days
Re: LAND OF THE FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1781919 - 08/05/03 03:53 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

What happened to your polite post? BTW, I will post on any thread I want, as I invite you to do the same.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibleInnvertigo
Vote Libertarian!!
Male

Registered: 02/09/01
Posts: 16,296
Loc: Crackerville, Michigan U...
Re: LAND OF THE FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1781926 - 08/05/03 03:56 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

it lacks character and life if you ask me.....




Seattle lacks character? You did mean Seattle, Washington, right? The city has a lot of culture and character (but that culture and charater is not my thing) I was stationed not too far from it.

Quote:

Do Americans (the average american) truly believe that the US is more "free" than the rest of the world?




I wouldn't say we are the freeist but we are the Largest free society in the world. I hear this all the time from others saying how they are more free than we are which is fine because i want all to be free, but when a country has 30 million people it's a lot easier to be free.

Quote:

or is the constant reinforcement of America being the apex of human freedom just a catchphrase-type thing like "Canada kicks ass".




I wouldn't say that but i would say that we were the first truley free society (i could be wrong) so i'm a little proud of that.

Quote:

Everywhere I went in Seattle, I was constantly reminded that "America is the land of the free",




And your attitude of America had nothing to do with it? If you go into a place expecting to see these things i'm sure you can find it.

Quote:

but I do see things like "Canada kicks ass" and "Canadian girls kick ass".




I live minutes from the border of Canada and have never heard that phrase.

Quote:

is it a celebration of American freedom, or a belief that America is the only "free" nation on earth?




a celebration of American freedom, but i bet you there will be many replies to the contrary...mainly by those living elsewhere.


--------------------

America....FUCK YEAH!!!

Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlineatomikfunksoldier
T'was born oftrue in the yearof the cock!

Registered: 04/07/03
Posts: 1,500
Loc: a human-infested anthill
Last seen: 13 years, 8 months
Re: LAND OF THE FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: shakta]
    #1781931 - 08/05/03 03:58 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

shakta:

firstly, lets make some corrections to your post:

I did not say "You asked if we are dillusional enough to think we are free". I asked if Americans are delusional to think that America is the apex of human freedom.

you said "I just didn't like your tone"

----what tone? the tone you imagine inside your head? letters on a monitor do not provide a tone, you misinterpreted me. Anyways, Im not interested in arguing with you over your petty ideas of who I am. Please dont post on this thread again unless you have something constructive to say about the topic.


--------------------
enjoy the entertaining indentity i have constructed for you while you can.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlineatomikfunksoldier
T'was born oftrue in the yearof the cock!

Registered: 04/07/03
Posts: 1,500
Loc: a human-infested anthill
Last seen: 13 years, 8 months
Re: LAND OF THE FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1781942 - 08/05/03 04:02 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

good points innvertigo,

"And your attitude of America had nothing to do with it?"
-yes, I am wary of my own negative projections on american society, but...i did see this alot, lots of t-shirts and posters and what not.

"Seattle lacks character? You did mean Seattle, Washington, right? The city has a lot of culture and character"

Compared to other American cities ive been to, Seattle was very bland.


--------------------
enjoy the entertaining indentity i have constructed for you while you can.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlinewingnutx
Registered: 09/25/00
Posts: 2,268
Last seen: 5 years, 10 months
Re: LAND OF THE FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1781953 - 08/05/03 04:04 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

The USA is the oldest existing democracy. At one time we had the most individual libeties, though many have happily caught up with us and are rough equivalents. Canada is probably the single best example.

I notice lots of Canadian flags flying whenever I see pictures of large Canadian cities. Seems like Canadians are pretty happy with their country, and I have no reason to slag them for that. I don't see why people have to point that out as a flaw in Americans.



Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlineshakta
Infidel
Registered: 06/03/03
Posts: 2,633
Last seen: 13 years, 5 days
Re: LAND OF THE FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1781954 - 08/05/03 04:05 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I will post whatever I want. You come across with an anti-American tone in your posts most of the time. Sorry if I misunderstood what you said. You seem to have a superior attitude like most liberals. You have already pissed me off recently so you got that reaction out of me. I will try to tone it down in the future so you won't get your feelings hurt.

Back to the topic at hand, yes it is mostly like your "Canada kicks ass". "America the free", or whatever variation are patriotic slogans. I do think that most of us feel we have more freedom than a lot of other places in the world as I have stated in a couple of previous posts in this thread which you chose to ignore.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlinepsikooz
Stranger
Registered: 07/19/03
Posts: 1,023
Loc: Los Angeles
Last seen: 6 years, 4 months
Re: LAND OF THE FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1781963 - 08/05/03 04:06 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

America was founded as a nation that would be free from all kings, free from all control. America was founded by the people. Now today we are being controlled by the same forces that we broke free from.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Invisibleluvdemshrooms
Two inch dick..but it spins!?


Registered: 11/29/01
Posts: 34,186
Loc: Lost In Space
Re: LAND OF THE FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: psikooz]
    #1781982 - 08/05/03 04:10 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Now today we are being controlled by the same forces that we broke free from.



Really? We are being controlled by a king?


--------------------
You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlineatomikfunksoldier
T'was born oftrue in the yearof the cock!

Registered: 04/07/03
Posts: 1,500
Loc: a human-infested anthill
Last seen: 13 years, 8 months
Re: LAND OF THE FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: shakta]
    #1781985 - 08/05/03 04:11 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

"anti-american"

"liberals"

do people really use these stupid terms in real life? what the fuck do you mean by "anti-american"???? that could only make sense if you define the word "american" as stupidity and ignorance.

the difference between "canada kicks ass" and "america: land of the free" is that "canada kicks ass" is obviously just a fun slogan with little dogmatism attached. On the other hand, in my opinion "america:land of the free" implies a sense of superiority.


--------------------
enjoy the entertaining indentity i have constructed for you while you can.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlinewingnutx
Registered: 09/25/00
Posts: 2,268
Last seen: 5 years, 10 months
Re: LAND OF THE FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1782013 - 08/05/03 04:19 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Don't make me drag out those "I am a Canadian!!!" commercials.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlineshakta
Infidel
Registered: 06/03/03
Posts: 2,633
Last seen: 13 years, 5 days
Re: LAND OF THE FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1782040 - 08/05/03 04:26 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

You just admitted in an earlier post that you are negative towards America. That would be anti-American by definition. Liberals is a stupid term? I guess the fact that everyone uses it, all the time, to describe leftists such as yourself would make it not so stupid. I thought you wanted to play nice now? I think I am figuring out your problem now. You got a chip on your shoulder against America for some reason. Maybe you should get some help with that.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibleInnvertigo
Vote Libertarian!!
Male

Registered: 02/09/01
Posts: 16,296
Loc: Crackerville, Michigan U...
Re: LAND OF THE FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1782046 - 08/05/03 04:27 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

There's only one thing Canada Kicks ass at and that's hockey....for now. :smirk:


--------------------

America....FUCK YEAH!!!

Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlineshakta
Infidel
Registered: 06/03/03
Posts: 2,633
Last seen: 13 years, 5 days
Re: LAND OF THE FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1782072 - 08/05/03 04:33 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Innvertigo said:
There's only one thing Canada Kicks ass at and that's hockey....for now. :smirk: 




True! Hockey, Molson, and Rush are three of my favorite things and they are all from Canada.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Jump to top. Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | Next >  [ show all ]

General Interest >> Political Discussion

Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Liberal vs. Conservative silversoul7 1,004 4 09/19/04 10:34 PM
by RandalFlagg
* Democracy Is Not Freedom
( 1 2 all )
Ancalagon 1,970 27 02/09/05 10:31 PM
by RandalFlagg
* Liberal Academic Bias
( 1 2 3 all )
Tao 2,173 48 06/04/04 06:16 PM
by Baby_Hitler
* The Padilla Doctrine Doesn't Infringe on Freedom... grib 680 14 06/11/04 09:36 AM
by grib
* Liberals - What SHOULD we be doing?
( 1 2 3 4 5 6 all )
lysergic 3,351 114 10/02/03 11:40 AM
by Xlea321
* Liberalism and Our Universities - ADV MagicalMystery 919 12 10/22/05 03:33 PM
by Prosgeopax
* Free after 50 years of tyranny wingnutx 375 1 10/06/03 03:09 PM
by Azmodeus
* The Bush Administration's Hypocrisy on Religious Freedoms
( 1 2 all )
Twirling 2,375 27 03/03/05 08:28 PM
by Psychoactive1984

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Enlil
2,751 topic views. 6 members, 3 guests and 8 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Toggle Favorite | Print Topic | Stats ]
Search this thread:
Shroom Supply
Please support our sponsors.

Copyright 1997-2017 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.044 seconds spending 0.006 seconds on 20 queries.