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Posession of DEA list 1 & 2 chemicals, legality discussions
    #17798363 - 02/13/13 10:44 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

The lists are designated within The Controlled Substances Act, 21 U.S.C. § 802. Definition 34 (list I) and 35 (list II). Below is a link to the relevant law.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/21/802

When reading the above code it made reference to the " Regulation of listed chemicals and certain machines" in 21 USC § 830. Below is the link to that text.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/21/830

So far as I can tell, and I am not an attorney and do not play one on TV, there is no law against possession of these chemicals unless they are also specifically designated as controlled substances in other controlled substances laws. It also seems to me that with the exception of Lysergic acid and phenylacetone which are designated controlled substances in other laws and  with the exception of ephedrine and pseudoephedrine and such there is no federal legal limit on possession of these chemicals.

I can have ten tons of iodine crystals. I can have a thousand pounds of ergotamine tartrate for my "odd chemical collection" There is no law against it as far as I can tell. To the best of my study into this these are highly watched in order to get leads to make drug lab busts. So why not just buy a thousand pounds of ergotamine and store it in your garage for 30 years. Use it as your retirement fund, lol. Don't have any lab or other chemicals for which intent to manufacture could be construed. Expect a quick raid for the cops to go off half cocked and they'll seize your ergotamine. Then sue for it's return. Take it to court. Because why not?

Am I off my rocker? Yes I am. But am I right? Is it actually legal to buy? lol at the possibilities. :strokebeard:

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Re: Posession of DEA list 1 & 2 chemicals, legality discussions [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #17798415 - 02/13/13 10:56 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not aware of any law prohibiting possesion of listed chemicals.  There are requirements on the seller, and I believe the buyer is subject to criminal action for lieing to the buyer in the transaction, but that's all I'm aware of.

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Re: Posession of DEA list 1 & 2 chemicals, legality discussions [Re: johnm214]
    #17798539 - 02/13/13 11:29 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

My friends sister's husband went to prison for "illegal assembly of chemicals" under state law. The allegation was that if you had the things to make a drug you were making it. I never thought that should be a charge. But I wonder if he only one dodgy chemical if he'd have been anything but a person under intense suspicion. I'd almost like to just buy one large amof something like iodine crystals and just resell them on ebay. Then if I come under suspicion I'd give them a guided tour myself. As far as I can tell there is no law it would violate except I might have to restrict shipping to some states because of local laws. :strokebeard:

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Re: Posession of DEA list 1 & 2 chemicals, legality discussions [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #17806811 - 02/15/13 12:32 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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My friends sister's husband went to prison for "illegal assembly of chemicals" under state law. The allegation was that if you had the things to make a drug you were making it. I never thought that should be a charge. But I wonder if he only one dodgy chemical if he'd have been anything but a person under intense suspicion. I'd almost like to just buy one large amof something like iodine crystals and just resell them on ebay. Then if I come under suspicion I'd give them a guided tour myself. As far as I can tell there is no law it would violate except I might have to restrict shipping to some states because of local laws. :strokebeard:






You would need a more detailed answer from someone who better knows what they're talking about, but off the top of my head:

1- i don't think you can sell stuff like that on ebay. I can imagine they would remove the listing. Not 100% certain of that-- but I suspect you would need another venue in which to sell it.

2- I don't know what licensing you might need, or regulations you might need to follow, in order to sell chems like that, or ship them....

3- What I do know is that you absolutely would need to keep details of all your transactions, and report anything suspicious to law enforcement, yourself. And in some cases, i suspect the "anything suspicious" would cast a pretty wide net. I'm sure certain chemicals, without having a very good and legit reason for their use/purchase on the part of the customer,  should immediately send up a red flag, in pretty much any other than a tiny, tiny amount.

If it were as easy as you make it sound, I suspect we'd already see people on ebay (or even other sites) selling stuff like small quantities of red phosphorous, etc....


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Re: Posession of DEA list 1 & 2 chemicals, legality discussions [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #17808816 - 02/15/13 05:46 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

There are a ton of sellers on ebay selling iodine crystals and potassium permanganate.

No one is selling ephedrine, pseudoephedrine, anhydrous ammonia or red phosphorus however.

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Re: Posession of DEA list 1 & 2 chemicals, legality discussions [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #17813332 - 02/16/13 01:55 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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There are a ton of sellers on ebay selling iodine crystals and potassium permanganate.

No one is selling ephedrine, pseudoephedrine, anhydrous ammonia or red phosphorus however.






Interesting. I wonder if this has to do with a difference in regulation, in some way. Being a somewhat regular user of ephedrine, I know that one, in particular, has a purchase limit, strict record-keeping required, including the fact that each customer's info / ID must be taken, with a signature, etc....

On the other hand-- how do we know that these are legit sellers and not some kind of "honey pot" operation, meant to sting potential manufacturers?


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Re: Posession of DEA list 1 & 2 chemicals, legality discussions [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #17814841 - 02/16/13 06:45 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

>>>> how do we know that these are legit sellers and not some kind of "honey pot" operation, meant to sting potential manufacturers?


Honey pots are a favorite trap of LEO as they require relatively little effort to make busts. And swine after all are lazy. I would think that precautions like not ordering things on the same account would suffice. I mean you don't want to order sassafras oil, PDCl2, KOH, p-benzoquinone on the same account. A novice could tell they're collecting the stuff to make MDMA.

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Re: Posession of DEA list 1 & 2 chemicals, legality discussions [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #17820187 - 02/17/13 04:17 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Buying large amounts of watched chems will get you watched and probably raided. Some states have laws against buying, for example, quantities of iodine unless you have a legit need for it. Or they regulate that you can only buy a solution of not more than a certain percent so 2% might be legal and 10% not. Even large purchases of iodine you put on a cut might violate some state's laws. I've seen those ads on ebay and i could make a tasty profit if i resold it but its not worth the hassle. I've seen ads for 20 lb and more of pure crystals.


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Re: Posession of DEA list 1 & 2 chemicals, legality discussions [Re: Stonehenge]
    #17901146 - 03/04/13 03:30 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I wouldn't suggest buying large amounts of I2 anywhere.  I've bought a couple times over the years on ebay with no problems.

But 10-50 grams is quite a long term quantity for my, and most other, legitimate uses.  And there's always the possibility that LEO will get the sellers business records at some point, so you probably don't want to be their main customer.  Remember that business records have essentially no protection at all under the law, almost any LEO or gov. agent can get them for almost any reason.


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Re: Posession of DEA list 1 & 2 chemicals, legality discussions [Re: fastfred]
    #25341685 - 07/23/18 04:44 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Would anyone have a list of watched chems together with the quantities that would cause a problem?

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Re: Posession of DEA list 1 & 2 chemicals, legality discussions [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #25344225 - 07/24/18 11:41 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Would anyone have a list of watched chems together with the quantities that would cause a problem?







https://erowid.org/psychoactives/law/law_watched_chemicals.shtml

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEA_list_of_chemicals

https://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/chem_prog/34chems.htm

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Re: Posession of DEA list 1 & 2 chemicals, legality discussions [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #25345523 - 07/25/18 04:53 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks. I've already seen the lists of watched chems. There has been some discussion about that small quantities of these chems is not likely to cause problems.

I'm planning to purify lanosterol (which isn't a controlled substance). It requires acetic anhydride. I'm wondering what quantities would cause concern.

If I ever get to the point of needing larger amounts I'd just call the DEA probably and let them know what it's for.

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