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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: Icelander]
#19472898 - 01/25/14 04:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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hmmn said: Hey uh...I read a decent chunk of this thread, and I have to say that Seashrooms comes off as a very reasonable person to me, and that many of those who've condemned him appear incapable of understanding his statements and point of view.
I don't agree with all of your views, SeaShrooms, but I find then genuinely intriguing and admire your ability to present them in this context.
p.s. I hope this this doesn't get me hundreds of "FUCK YOU PEDO" 0 ratings. 
If it does then fuck them. I agree with you.
Yup, I don't agree with a few things he's said but overall the responses have been exaggeratedly negative.
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: Raven Gnosis]
#19472950 - 01/25/14 04:51 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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No I didn't realize that he's banned, but I'm glad that he is 
Obviously children not being able to explore their sexuality with each other will cause sexual repression, but they have similar knowledge and mindsets. They are not victims of one another's disproportionate power, they are participants in learning.
OP was sexually abused as a child so he's trying to avoid the fact that he's a victim of a horrible crime. He's emulating what he's observed and experienced of adults now that he is an adult, and he's trying to use logic to deny the reality of his own shitty existence.
I feel bad for him because he can't help what an adult did to him when he was young, but rather than seek help in healing these wounds it would appear that he has brought similar trauma onto innocent people. IMO, he appears unwilling (or unable) to change his incredibly toxic actions, and should be put down.
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: Repertoire89]
#19472956 - 01/25/14 04:53 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Enlil said: OP's theory that it's okay for adults to have sex with children as long as they "have the child's best interest in mind" is absurd...and clearly meant to justify his victimization of children.
I 100% agree. Even if his original post is based on some facts, it doesn't change the fact he's an admitted pedo. I didn't read the entire thread, and have no desire to. This thread is fucked up and makes me want to hide my daughters.
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: blackwidow187] 1
#19472988 - 01/25/14 05:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I half kind of agree with OP. Any modern society is completely fucking retarded when it's come to sex and sexuality. I mean we are just now barely getting over the homo thing. We can't even figure out if something is a mental illness or sexuality and we have no rational basis for determining these things. Just our cultural opinions which don't mean jack shit.
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: LysergicX7]
#19473009 - 01/25/14 05:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's where I am. Like I said I'm basing my opinions off the OP only.
As for adult and child sexual relations my guess would be mostly not good. But that doesn't mean every single situation between a youth and an adult would be. I've been over this territory before in mile long debates. Some adults aren't mature enough to have sex ever. Some underage kids are more mature about it than their parents. Over all though we need to have age restrictions to protect children from adult predators. But there is always some exception and if you can't acknowledge that in discussion then you got a sexual hang up imo.
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: Icelander]
#19475339 - 01/26/14 05:40 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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hmm nice to see some reasonable posts in this thread
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: quinn]
#19475632 - 01/26/14 07:43 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I find people that go on flame attacks around this subject highly suspect in the same way I find the homophobic redneck suspect when he foams at the mouth around homosexuality. "Me thinks they protest too much" if you know what I mean.
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: Icelander] 1
#19475674 - 01/26/14 08:03 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Icelander said: I find people that go on flame attacks around this subject highly suspect in the same way I find the homophobic redneck suspect when he foams at the mouth around homosexuality. "Me thinks they protest too much" if you know what I mean.
Was going to say the same but refrained from it.
Guy defined himself as a hebephile or ephebophile, people are jumping on him for being a pedophile. Sounds like transference to me, ephebophilia at least is very common throughout various cultures yet there's this puritanical crusade against someone because he admitted to it. One ignoramus accused me of promoting pedophilia because I suggested not to publicly out a suspected hebephile (not Seashrooms, another thread entirely). This fucking species can't even stop to think
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: Icelander]
#19475726 - 01/26/14 08:20 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Icelander said: I find people that go on flame attacks around this subject highly suspect in the same way I find the homophobic redneck suspect when he foams at the mouth around homosexuality. "Me thinks they protest too much" if you know what I mean.
It isn't about flaming the guy. It's about judging him based on his own statements. In this very thread, he advocated for adult on child sex, and even went so far as to say it's good for the child because he can "brainwash" the child in a beneficial way instead of a bad way.
The big problem with adult/child sex is not the sex itself. It is the way in which the power imbalance between adults and children works to influence the child. He is basically talking about manipulating a child into being his sex toy. He even used the word "manipulate" to describe it. I don't see how that is, in any way, a defensible position.
Anyone who has ever been in a relationship with a victim of child sex abuse knows how these things turn out. Some of these people do become lifelong sexual victims always seeking someone validate them sexually in the only way they know exists, through exploitation. Others shut down and become completely dysfunctional.
Child/child sexual exploration is a completely different thing because neither child has the aura of authority. These experiences don't generally cause the kind of harm that adult/child sex does.
For all of OP's pseudo-intellectual bullshit, he's really just looking for an excuse to fuck children because he knows that they are easier to manipulate.
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: Enlil]
#19475749 - 01/26/14 08:31 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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While what you say is likely or possibly true. (I haven't read it past the OP and now only at this end) that doesn't change the fact of what I say about the hard core flaming of this guy. I've seen it before on this subject and I'm convinced I'm on track about some of these haters. I assume you have not be flaming him yourself right?
And I agree with your assessment of how the overwhelming majority of adult/child sex would go. It's almost always unhealthy especially in a sexually repressed culture such as ours. But not necessarily in other cultures or in other times. I really don't know enough about the subject to make a blanket statement. I do know from vast experience though that there is always the exceptions to the norm in human affairs.
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: Enlil] 1
#19475761 - 01/26/14 08:35 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well shit, I definitely don't agree with a few things he's said here (didn't read the whole thread). From what I've seen the hate mongering is excessive though and breaches the boundaries of a logical discussion, this is a debate orientated philosophy forum.
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: Repertoire89] 1
#19475774 - 01/26/14 08:40 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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The shroomery for all it's preaching of mushroom love and acceptance has it's full share of hateful fear driven folk imo. That fact that these people take drugs doesn't say anything about the type of humans they actually are. Put up a subject that scares them about themselves and they come out of the woodwork in full force and then band together into mob action. 
In their so called adult stage they will be fully against drug use by their children.
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: Icelander]
#19475820 - 01/26/14 08:54 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Icelander said: The shroomery for all it's preaching of mushroom love and acceptance has it's full share of hateful fear driven folk imo. That fact that these people take drugs doesn't say anything about the type of humans they actually are. Put up a subject that scares them about themselves and they come out of the woodwork in full force and then band together into mob action. 
Its ironic, I don't believe in morality or ethics and my own philosophy is generally in-line with an 'eye for an eye' - yet in practice I'm generally a lot more patient and compassionate than the "love and acceptance" crowd.
Carried an injured stray dog 2 miles to my house, when I get there the church going "peaceful" roommates are adamant that I should throw it back out on the street. To which I replied for them to go fuck themselves. For the majority any pacifism is what Gandhi referred to in Satyagraha as the 'pacifism of the weak'.
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: Icelander]
#19475836 - 01/26/14 08:59 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Love and acceptance doesn't mean acceptance of all behaviors even if it harms others. The OP in this thread admits to seeking out children because they are less "programmed" so that he can give them his own "programming". He also admits that he manipulates people for his livelihood...and he admits to burglary.
One doesn't have to flame the guy to judge him here. He even refers to himself as a "pedo" in this thread...so the people calling him a pedophile aren't even flaming him. They're using his own term.
In this very thread, YOU called him out for his actions:
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SeaShrooms said: I was running from my burglary warrant the last time I was on here and got extradited a pretty significant distance back to do 3 more months in jail....
What a class act.
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: Enlil]
#19475851 - 01/26/14 09:05 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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You're repeating yourself like a broken record. We already agree to what you've been saying.
Just because I called him out on something he did does not mean I hate or fear him or his beliefs nor have I flamed him and I can also agree with some of what he says and some of his ideas without need to completely vilify him for other beliefs he holds.
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: Icelander]
#19475863 - 01/26/14 09:11 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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He's not being vilified for "beliefs he holds". He's being vilified for his actions....specifically, victimizing children.
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: Enlil]
#19475878 - 01/26/14 09:16 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Prove that.
For all you know he's trolling. It happens all the time here.
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: Enlil]
#19475895 - 01/26/14 09:22 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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The biggest thread on this subject I remember was about eight years ago when I first got here. It dwarfed this thread and there was a ton of hate and physical threats bandied about. The op admitted to being a troll and was permabanned if I remember correctly. He trolled all kinds of taboo subjects here. I personally liked the guy because he showed people to be just what they said they weren't.
Just out of curiosity. If someone came to the police and told them he was a murderer but there was absolutely no physical evidence and no missing persons would they arrest and would a jury convict?
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: Icelander]
#19475959 - 01/26/14 09:43 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Prove that.
For all you know he's trolling. It happens all the time here.
He admits to seeking out 13 year olds for sex. That's enough, in my book, to treat him like he seeks out 13 year olds for sex.
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: Enlil]
#19476010 - 01/26/14 10:06 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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YOU said this: He's not being vilified for "beliefs he holds". He's being vilified for his actions....specifically, victimizing children.
You claim to be speaking for the intent of all the folk who responded with flames or personalisms toward the OP. That none have attacked him for his beliefs. I've asked you for proof. You have not shown any proof. I'm still waiting.
Let me remind you that in this debate oriented forum when proofs are asked for they are expected to be provided to back ones claims.
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