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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: SeaShrooms]
#17848487 - 02/22/13 05:37 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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You haven't provided a scintilla of evidence that sexual repression causes any damage whatsoever.
You've proven yourself to be unable to defend your position. You really aren't ready for logical debate, kid.
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: Enlil]
#17848498 - 02/22/13 05:40 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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By definition sexual repression means GUILT and SHAME, those are never healthy in the young developing mind.
Sexual repression is a state in which a person is prevented from expressing their sexuality. Sexual repression is often associated with feelings of guilt or shame being associated with sexual impulses.[1] What constitutes sexual repression is subjective and can vary greatly between cultures and moral systems. Many religions have been accused of fostering sexual repression.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_repression
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: SeaShrooms]
#17848504 - 02/22/13 05:42 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/sex-dawn/201004/sexual-repression-the-malady-considers-itself-the-remedy
Nothing inspires murderous mayhem in human beings more reliably than sexual repression. Denied food, water, or freedom of movement, people will get desperate and some may lash out at what they perceive as the source of their problems, albeit in a weakened state. But if expression of sexuality is thwarted, the human psyche tends to grow twisted into grotesque, enraged perversions of desire. Unfortunately, the distorted rage resulting from sexual repression rarely takes the form of rebellion against the people and institutions behind the repression. (If it did, perhaps we'd be reading of abused priests rather than priests as abusers.) Instead, the rage is generally directed at helpless victims who are sacrificed to the sick gods of guilt, shame, and ignorant pride.
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: SeaShrooms]
#17848514 - 02/22/13 05:45 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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I figured all this had so much published on it I wouldn't need to go back 20 years for you, but as you requested....
The need and motive for the employment of guilt is imperative to certain kinds of people who use it in their everyday personal lives and these people cause a lot of pain and confusion especially for children who are most vulnerable.
http://www.worldpsychology.info/World%20Psychology/VirtualPsyFiles/ayahuasc17.htm
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: SeaShrooms]
#17848527 - 02/22/13 05:48 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sexual repression is a state whereby a person in unable to express their natural sexuality for a variety of reasons including religion. It is a term that was first introduced by the renowned Austrian neurologist and psychoanalyst, Sigmund Freud, and since then, sexual repression has been blamed for a wide range of ills in modern society. Indeed, many believe that sexual repression has serious consequences on the human psyche and can lead to violence, anger, and perversions of desire.
http://whatispsychology.net/what-sexual-repression-symptoms-are-there/
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: SeaShrooms]
#17848530 - 02/22/13 05:48 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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22 pages for you to finally reveal a source...Too bad none of them cite even a single study. It looks like others share your opinion, but no one seems to be able to prove it...I wonder why that is..
In fact, to quote your wiki link:
"Some researchers have hypothesized a relationship between sexual repression and rape. However, they have been unable to find any support for this hypothesis - whether the tremendous difficulty of measuring sexual repression is to blame, or whether the theory is simply false, is unknown"
I'm still waiting for you to cite something that supports your earlier claim that societies that are more repressed sexually have a higher rate of sex crimes...
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: Enlil]
#17848546 - 02/22/13 05:52 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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This was not my claim, my argument is that societies where sex is taboo have a higher rate of sex crimes than those were it is accepted, you are intentionally twisting my words, this is well documented from many sources, you disagree with Frued, gtfo you think you know better.
The point is sexual repression has long been understood to be the cause of many illnesses and psychosis and I believe it is one of the most pervasive ailments in our society, and drastic measures must be taken to stamp it out.
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: Enlil]
#17848548 - 02/22/13 05:52 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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SeaShrooms said: Never made those claims, simply that sex crimes are lower in un-repressed societies.
And you think your sources support the above claim? Let me quote from one of your sources:
"Some researchers have hypothesized a relationship between sexual repression and rape. However, they have been unable to find any support for this hypothesis - whether the tremendous difficulty of measuring sexual repression is to blame, or whether the theory is simply false, is unknown"
The other sources are no different from you...just opinions without any study whatsoever. Site a published study that supports your claim that societies with less sexual repression have less sex crimes.
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: Enlil]
#17848565 - 02/22/13 05:55 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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SeaShrooms said: From my observation, usually younger parents, they are more motivated in life, not like teenage young but like 25-35.
So why do you find having sex with minors approvable?
Cant you see your logic is failing?
(i have not read the whole thread and will not do so either but from what i can tell you find it natural having sex with people under 15.
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: liquidlounge]
#17848603 - 02/22/13 06:04 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Clearly explained the horrible social ills of sexual repression, with like 4 links.
Next, checking sources from this zine, it's old so it's gonna take awhile.
http://littleblackcart.com/Child-Sexuality.html
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: SeaShrooms]
#17848629 - 02/22/13 06:10 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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What are you trying to prove with that link?
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: liquidlounge]
#17848663 - 02/22/13 06:18 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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No the ones all down the last page are for you thats for enlil.
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#17848685 - 02/22/13 06:22 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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You can't find a single study to support your claim? Why am I not surprised?
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: Enlil]
#17848807 - 02/22/13 06:44 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ree member when most threads on the shroomery were about psychedelics and mushrooms?
Those were the days. Sigh.
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: SeaShrooms]
#17848831 - 02/22/13 06:49 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Your idea of evidence is woefully inadequate to support your absurd beliefs.
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: budmanman]
#17848833 - 02/22/13 06:50 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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budmanman said: Ree member when most threads on the shroomery were about psychedelics and mushrooms?
Those were the days. Sigh.
Are you lost?
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: budmanman]
#17848850 - 02/22/13 06:52 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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budmanman said: Ree member when most threads on the shroomery were about psychedelics and mushrooms?
Those were the days. Sigh.
Why am i not surprised you have 1.5k posts in the off topic forum.
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: liquidlounge]
#17848890 - 02/22/13 06:57 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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liquidlounge said:
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budmanman said: Ree member when most threads on the shroomery were about psychedelics and mushrooms?
Those were the days. Sigh.
Why am i not surprised you have 1.5k posts in the off topic forum.
Go make a grow log. We are really lacking in them lately.
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: budmanman]
#17850847 - 02/23/13 01:34 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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More so than often because rape is hardly reported... Or at least what our society calls rape. Older men and women having sex with children (under age) there are a great deal number of people who enjoyed it and still enjoyed the fact it happened as well as children having sex with other children.
I think the only reason people tell like the people at Pen State did was because they where brainwashed in to believing they were victims and that they were taken advantage of and become hurt and resentful over it and desire revenge. The same happens with a bunch of other cases in my opinion. They enjoyed it until they learned it was wrong. Our society is very close minded and I don't desire to be a part of it. But I'm trapped.
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: Enlil]
#17850887 - 02/23/13 01:47 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Examples are not studies...sounds like you're just talking out of your ass.
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johnm214 said: But that hard line doesn't need to be a per se prohibition, it could be a line past which the defendant has the burden of demonstrating sufficient consent.
As long as "sufficient consent" includes an understanding of all of the potential consequences of the sexual activity, sure...but then we're getting into an area where the victim has to be put on the stand and undergo rigorous questioning about very sensitive subjects.
Yep. Tough shit, if you want to put someone in jail, you may have to be inconvenienced and deal with some bitter memories. More to the point, statutory rape denigrates the seriousness of the crime. Some 19 year old sleeping with a 15 year old is not a rapist neccessarily. Its absurd and demeaning- kinda like how making everything under the sun a felony demeans that offense level.
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For consent to be meaningful, it would have to be informed consent...and that would mean that the child understands all of the risks including 18 years of child support payments, disease, death, social stigma, emotional hazards, etc...otherwise, any 2 year old can say "yes".
But that's my point- this is a silly argument because we allready require substantially more than 'yes'. People are convicted of raping/abusing retarded people and drugged/drunk people regardless of whether they say 'yes'.
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