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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: quinn] 1
#17846496 - 02/22/13 10:07 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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All great questions...ones for which I have no answers. More importantly, however, I would never want to see courts in the position of answering those questions...the last thing we need is government deciding which relationships are and are not acceptable. That is why we need a hard line to minimize the potential for damage.
This is not unlike DUI laws. The fact is that many people drive drunk every day and will never get in an accident because of it. DUI is illegal because of the potential to cause great harm, and the relatively minor loss of freedom it takes to reduce that potential.
As far as age of consent laws, they are designed to reduce the potential for harm, while only forcing an adult to wait longer to seduce the target of his/her affection. This seems like a very fair trade-off
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: Enlil]
#17846543 - 02/22/13 10:24 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Is it, the whole basis of this thread was to argue the psychological and social damage of sexual repression, many examples have been given of the massive increase in sex crimes in a society like ours, where because of people like you, sex is taboo.
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: SeaShrooms]
#17846575 - 02/22/13 10:33 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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SeaShrooms said: many examples have been given of the massive increase in sex crimes in a society like ours
I'd love to see your source for this. I'd be more inclined to think that any increase in sex crimes is a product of more people becoming aware of such things and reporting them. Rape has been rampant throughout human history.
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: Enlil] 1
#17846591 - 02/22/13 10:38 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: All great questions...ones for which I have no answers. More importantly, however, I would never want to see courts in the position of answering those questions...the last thing we need is government deciding which relationships are and are not acceptable. That is why we need a hard line to minimize the potential for damage.
But that hard line doesn't need to be a per se prohibition, it could be a line past which the defendant has the burden of demonstrating sufficient consent.
I never got the age of consent laws, they don't seem particularly neccessary given that people are regularly prosecuted for raping retarded people and intoxicated people who purported to consent at the time yet did so insufficinetly for it to be legally effective.
Something like below 16 years of age a defendant more than three years senior to the victim bears the burden of demonstrating effective consent would seem reasonable. I doubt there's much practical difficulty in convicting child exploiters anyways. I doubt a jury is easily going to allow a 22 year old to skate for sleeping with a 15 year old, yet I can imagine a situation in which it wouldn't be socially helpful to charge the 22 year old, such as if he later marries the 15 year old and then faces jail.
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: Enlil]
#17846597 - 02/22/13 10:39 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Go ahead and look back through the thread, I counted 7 major examples, well this certainly proves you refuse to read anything you disagree with.
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: johnm214]
#17846729 - 02/22/13 11:12 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Examples are not studies...sounds like you're just talking out of your ass.
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johnm214 said: But that hard line doesn't need to be a per se prohibition, it could be a line past which the defendant has the burden of demonstrating sufficient consent.
As long as "sufficient consent" includes an understanding of all of the potential consequences of the sexual activity, sure...but then we're getting into an area where the victim has to be put on the stand and undergo rigorous questioning about very sensitive subjects.
For consent to be meaningful, it would have to be informed consent...and that would mean that the child understands all of the risks including 18 years of child support payments, disease, death, social stigma, emotional hazards, etc...otherwise, any 2 year old can say "yes". This is much more than the average 18 year old understands about sex, of course...but it's fair to hold an adult accountable for things that he/she should know even if they don't. When the victim is a child, however, ignorance should be assumed unless demonstrated otherwise.
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: SeaShrooms] 1
#17846857 - 02/22/13 11:34 AM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm not even sure what your thesis is. You seem to be claiming that: 1. There is a rise in sex crimes, 2. The rise is due to more sexual repression.
First, I've seen nothing in this thread to support either of those claims. I've read no statistics that support the notion that sex crimes are more prevalent today than they were 200 years ago.
In addition, I don't see how you can argue that the US is more sexually repressed today than it was in the past...On the contrary, I think it's clear that there is less sexual repression in the US today than at any time in history.
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OrgoneConclusion said: Yeah, why can't the West have sane sexual practices like the Sambia of New Guniea?
The Sambia believe that both men and women are born with a tingu. The tingu is a body part that allows for procreation. A woman’s tingu is ready for reproduction when she first menstruates. A man’s tingu is born shriveled and dried and the only way to fill it is to drink the “man milk,” or semen of other sexually mature men. They believe that by drinking the male essence of other men, the boys will become strong and virile. Done in the privacy of the forest, a boy will perform fellatio on young, usually unmarried men between the ages of 13 and 21. The boys are encouraged to “drink the male essence” as much as possible in order to become strong.
http://artofmanliness.com/2010/02/21/male-rites-of-passage-from-around-the-world/
heres one, I gave the examples of the Maori, the Mangaia, the Eskimos, and the Lepcha, on which there is ample literature.
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: SeaShrooms]
#17847334 - 02/22/13 01:39 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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How does that support your thesis that sexual repression is the cause of a rise in sexual crimes?
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: Enlil]
#17847347 - 02/22/13 01:42 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well if you examined the sources you would find that, also couldn't find another link given which sucks but, found this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_positive
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: SeaShrooms] 1
#17847373 - 02/22/13 01:48 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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So, I've read both of the last two links you've provided...none have supported your thesis...You're just spewing irrelevant nonsense.
Do you have anything at all to support either of these claims:
1. There has been a "massive increase in sex crimes", and 2. Sexual repression is the cause of such an increase.
Linking philosophical ideas is cute and all, but where is your data to support your thesis?
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: Enlil]
#17847400 - 02/22/13 01:55 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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but where is your data to support your thesis?
It seems obvious he doesn't have any.
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: MushroomTrip]
#17847403 - 02/22/13 01:56 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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After 21 pages of back-and-forth unsubstantiated nonsense? No way!
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: Enlil]
#17847451 - 02/22/13 02:05 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: So, I've read both of the last two links you've provided...none have supported your thesis...You're just spewing irrelevant nonsense.
Do you have anything at all to support either of these claims:
1. There has been a "massive increase in sex crimes", and 2. Sexual repression is the cause of such an increase.
Linking philosophical ideas is cute and all, but where is your data to support your thesis?
Never made those claims, simply that sex crimes are lower in un-repressed societies.
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: SeaShrooms] 2
#17847477 - 02/22/13 02:11 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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SeaShrooms said: Never made those claims,
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SeaShrooms said: the whole basis of this thread was to argue the psychological and social damage of sexual repression, many examples have been given of the massive increase in sex crimes in a society like ours, where because of people like you, sex is taboo.
Are you saying that the above quoted text doesn't claim that there has been a massive increase in sex crimes?
Backpedal all you want...rephrase it all you want...unless you've got data to support it, you're still talking out of your ass.
You posted a link about the sambia, which you clearly didn't read...If you had, you would have noticed that it is a highly sexually repressed culture where men and women are completely separated until they reach a certain age. "The initiation begins at age seven with the separation of the boy from the mother. The boy will spend the rest of his young life only in the presence of men in an all male hut. The gender separation is taken to such extremes that boys and women use different walking paths around the village."
So, now is the time to support your argument...you talk about the " psychological and social damage of sexual repression"....What are these damages, and where is your data to show a causal link between them and sexual repression?
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: Enlil]
#17848426 - 02/22/13 05:23 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ok, you win, your christian parents were right, sex hurts children, this has been going to long.
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: SeaShrooms] 1
#17848435 - 02/22/13 05:25 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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I see. You never had any data to begin with...you just wanna fuck children, and you're looking for something to justify it.
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: Enlil]
#17848450 - 02/22/13 05:28 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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I carried my burden of evidence, you are the one who has yet to prove any link between consensual sex and psychological damage.
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: SeaShrooms]
#17848451 - 02/22/13 05:28 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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In general, do you think older parents raise smart children or younger parents?
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: liquidlounge]
#17848467 - 02/22/13 05:32 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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From my observation, usually younger parents, they are more motivated in life, not like teenage young but like 25-35.
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