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Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? * 2
    #17792096 - 02/12/13 08:35 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I think it is well documented the difference between societies where child sexuality is the norm, and where it is taboo. The examples of the Maori, the Mangaia, the Eskimos, and the Lepcha, are all examples given In an anarchist zine I have been studying, where childrens sexuality is not repressed or shunned, and there are no incidences of rape or of adultery in marriages, and all woman are said to be orgasmic.

All baby girls lubricate vaginally within the first 6 hours of life, most baby boys achieve erection on the day of birth. By 6 months, most infants  begin exploring themselves, often achieving orgasm. The image of children as pure, undefiled by sexual urges is still pervasive, but nothing could be further from the truth, in our natural state, child sexuality is just a normal part of the preparation for adulthood, where work is paramount, and there is little time for leisure.

Instead of allowing children to explore their natural urges uninhibited, we tell them it's wrong, and dirty, causing enormous psychological trauma that pervades throughout our lives in this prude society. It is time, as we ascend into the age of enlightenment, to ask the question, what is normal, and what is ok, for every story of a child brutally raped there are the stories usually not told, of children who have pleasant experiences with other children or even sometimes with adults, that become the basis of a normal healthy sexuality. I know a number of young woman, who had no qualms about being introduced into sex by an adult, until it is explained to them that it was wrong and immoral, and they are treated like victims. Victims of what? Being a biologically natural human being, with the urges we all bare, but are forced to suppress.

Well I have a lot more to say, but I want to see the direction this conversation takes first. The pamphlet was produced by the website I am going to include, though their archives do not go back to 2008, but the sources given are numerous, and I intend to investigate them.

http://ardentpress.com/category/pamphlets/


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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: SeaShrooms]
    #17792105 - 02/12/13 08:37 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: SeaShrooms] * 4
    #17792112 - 02/12/13 08:39 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I can't understand why an adult woman can be jailed for having sex with a young male. I wish adult women had given me some pleasure when I was a teenager. I'd probably have been allot happier.

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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: SeaShrooms] * 6
    #17792141 - 02/12/13 08:45 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, why can't the West have sane sexual practices like the Sambia of New Guniea?

The Sambia believe that both men and women are born with a tingu. The tingu is a body part that allows for procreation. A woman’s tingu is ready for reproduction when she first menstruates. A man’s tingu is born shriveled and dried and the only way to fill it is to drink the “man milk,” or semen of other sexually mature men. They believe that by drinking the male essence of other men, the boys will become strong and virile. Done in the privacy of the forest, a boy will perform fellatio on young, usually unmarried men between the ages of 13 and 21. The boys are encouraged to “drink the male essence” as much as possible in order to become strong.

http://artofmanliness.com/2010/02/21/male-rites-of-passage-from-around-the-world/


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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #17792151 - 02/12/13 08:48 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah, why can't the West have sane sexual practices like the Sambia of New Guniea?

The Sambia believe that both men and women are born with a tingu. The tingu is a body part that allows for procreation. A woman’s tingu is ready for reproduction when she first menstruates. A man’s tingu is born shriveled and dried and the only way to fill it is to drink the “man milk,” or semen of other sexually mature men. They believe that by drinking the male essence of other men, the boys will become strong and virile. Done in the privacy of the forest, a boy will perform fellatio on young, usually unmarried men between the ages of 13 and 21. The boys are encouraged to “drink the male essence” as much as possible in order to become strong.

http://artofmanliness.com/2010/02/21/male-rites-of-passage-from-around-the-world/






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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: Big Worm]
    #17792164 - 02/12/13 08:50 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

You know that would be in line with alot of the concepts of tantric sex magic, semen is the oldest christian sacrament.


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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: SeaShrooms]
    #17792173 - 02/12/13 08:51 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Why is this wrong, these people are brave and saying what needs to be said.

http://www.wnd.com/2011/08/336869/


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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: SeaShrooms]
    #17792184 - 02/12/13 08:53 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Are you advocating adult on child sex?


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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: Mushroomninja] * 3
    #17792211 - 02/12/13 09:00 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, absolutely, I and many other people had positive sexual experiences with adults as a child, whos right is it to press their morality on people.


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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: SeaShrooms]
    #17792220 - 02/12/13 09:02 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

A large number of studies show that a majority of child molesters are not preferentially attracted to prepubescent children or adolescents, and therefore are not pedophiles or ephebophiles (Ames & Houston, 1990; Freund, 1981; Okami & Goldberg, 1992).

http://www.b4uact.org/facts.htm

Rapists are rapists, pedophiles are child LOVERS


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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: SeaShrooms] * 3
    #17792224 - 02/12/13 09:03 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Troll, or just that dumb? What say you shroomery? If he is serious, he is one of the few tyles of people i would ever wish a police encounter on.


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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: Mushroomninja]
    #17792229 - 02/12/13 09:05 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

This is a place for open minded conversation, not hate mongering and prejudice.


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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: SeaShrooms] * 3
    #17792234 - 02/12/13 09:05 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: SeaShrooms] * 2
    #17792253 - 02/12/13 09:09 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Man milk.  :lol:

I don't think a bunch of superstitious aborigines are necessarily the best source of sexual morality, but the Judeo-Christian outlook on sexuality is repressed to the point of absurdity.  It's even worse here in America, a country founded by religious extremists with some of the most repressive and neurotic views on sexuality in the history of mankind. 

People are brainwashed to fear and revile their sexuality from day one, so that nobody in western society has a healthy concept of sex.  We're all neurotic about it in one way or another and that makes us easier to manipulate by the religious leaders and consumer goods manufacturers that count on our sexual insecurity and the feelings of shame in order to make a living.  Good luck changing that one en masse. 

I personally try to teach my kids that their sexuality is not something to be ashamed about, but neither is it something they need to broadcast to the world, it's OK to do their thing and to not be ashamed of themselves, but they should just keep it to when they're alone in their rooms, and not to just play with themselves all the time.    Obviously, you've got to socialize your children somewhat to the norms of society or else they'll grow up and pull it out and start wanking in class one day and be labeled a pervert. 

Pretty much all kids explore each other sexually at some point in their youths unless they're constantly watched like a hawk by their parents, but it's super innocent and doesn't mean the same thing as when an adult does it.  I certainly remember some "playing doctor" moments from when I was pretty young, but it wasn't full on sexual.  I wasn't traumatized by those moments, but I sure as hell would have been if some creeper tried to "love" me.  I don't buy that adults should have anything to do with children in that sense, if that's what you're suggesting, that's just some pedo-excuse bullshit.  :thumbdown: 

And yeah, if only I could have gotten laid by an older women when I was in my teens, that would have been epic sweet.  God knows I tried. 
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But teens are a different story, once they've finished with puberty at 15 or 16, they're technically adults, it's just that our society labels them as children until an arbitrary line makes them "adults."  That's why the age of consent differs from country to country, it's not a logical, rationally defined and quantitative boundary, it's a very large gray area that varies from person to person.  There's no sense in thinking a 17 year old girl is too innocent and sweet to possibly even think about sex, or to jail an older man for having sex with her, but then having it be perfectly legal that 6 months later after she turns 18 for her to be in a porno scene with 3 dicks in her at once.  That makes no fucking sense whatsoever.  :shrug:

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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: Mushroomninja]
    #17792268 - 02/12/13 09:12 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

:nohellno: this dudes on some other shit though.

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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #17792276 - 02/12/13 09:13 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I agree with you in so far as adult-child sexuality being wrong, children often try to initiate these relations, which shows they can consent, does sex have to carry a deeper meaning, or can we just let it be sex?


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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: P.Zappatecorum] * 11
    #17792298 - 02/12/13 09:19 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Adults should know better than to go there, set boundaries.  That's part of being a responsible human being.  If a kid is juggling knives, you tell them to stop, if a kid gets fresh and starts to "explore," you put a stop to it.  There are certain things that children are simply not cognitively ready for, I hope to God you're not a parent, otherwise you'd understand.  The human brain takes a while to understand the ramifications of certain actions and to have the emotional maturity to cope with certain situations.  Besides, just because a kid wants to give you a hug doesn't mean they want a dick in their ass. 
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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: SeaShrooms]
    #17792305 - 02/12/13 09:19 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Because children don't have the capacity to "think for themselves"

Its merely monkey do monkey see type thing, A young child doesn't know what they want besides the basic instincts.
If something feels good of course they think they want it but they know no self control or reflection.
Our society has advanced to the point where self reflection became normally, people who were passed around as kids thought it was wrong when the became aware.
Protected their own kids from this same fate. Thats why the MORAL become a normal societal rule and why it is suppressed and meant to be explored when one is older.

You're basically saying, why isn't it okay to let the child do anything they want. They have their urges so let them do what they wish. That an adult with the capacity to think can do what they wish with a child because their sexual organs function, even if not to state of procreation yet.

This "repression" of childrens urges came out of protection and to get them to adulthood where they have acquired self control and self reflection.

***Without the upbringing of right and wrong and the repression of urges
I strongly believe the rate of Murders, rapists, sadists and other societal Menaces would be highly increased***


This is quoted from you "I know a number of young woman, who had no qualms about being introduced into sex by an adult, until it is explained to them that it was wrong and immoral, and they are treated like victims. Victims of what? Being a biologically natural human being, with the urges we all bare, but are forced to suppress."

It is not the childs urges to have sex!!!!!!
The male adults urges is what occurred and THE CHILD WAS VICTIM OF WHAT THEY COULD NOT UNDERSTAND SO MERELY ACCEPTED IT.

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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: Intelligentxfruit]
    #17792309 - 02/12/13 09:21 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

This is of course the main stream view on the subject, and I think I have already put out the responses to everything you've said.


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Re: Why do we deny childrens innate sexuality? [Re: SeaShrooms]
    #17792310 - 02/12/13 09:22 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I get that on a biological level its normal to notice a sexually mature memeber of the oppisite sex. But to say that normal/non sexually tramatized kids make overt sexual advances towards adults and that its natural to engage in such behaviour is fucking ridiculas.


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